AKB 48 thread

[Haak]

I can't help but consider myself a little curious on what her boyfriend thought about all of this. Has there been any comment from him?

[sa547]

His agency issued a curt statement that they wish to protect his privacy.

For further illumination on the incident, given the vulture-like nature of mainstream press:
http://bilingual48.blogspot.com.au/2...ompetence.html
http://themhcc.blogspot.jp/2013/02/s...head-gate.html
http://shoujikimedia.com/2013/02/02/...nderstandings/

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by sa547

For further illumination on the incident, given the vulture-like nature of mainstream press:
http://bilingual48.blogspot.com.au/2...ompetence.html
http://themhcc.blogspot.jp/2013/02/s...head-gate.html
http://shoujikimedia.com/2013/02/02/...nderstandings/

Mainstream press might be pretty sensationalist, but fan blog posts are biased too. Here's a example from one of sites you posted.

But for management to somehow influence what is ultimately a personal decision to make is simply inhumane - and I do not believe AKS would stoop that low.

He's a fan. Of course he wouldn't believe it. But ultimately this fan doesn't know that facts, so the following line, which read as fact, kinda shit all over his point:

For her to shave off her head in remorse is her own decision, and any reasonable person in management's position would also not have wanted her to do such an act.

But the true is that he doesn't know if it's her own decision, nor if management wanted her to do it or not, and by stating this as if he knows it true shows how biased he is.


This one is almost funny:

Why does the entire 48 family have an outright ban on external relationships? Here is my personal take:
One of the core cruxes of idol culture relies on the fans exhibiting an emotional, idealised and vaguely romantic attachment to the image and character of the idol. Anything contrary to this dilutes this "virtualised" relationship - that, of course, includes dating. But on the other extreme, this is not an endorsement of delusion

Lol, of course it's an endorsement. Where does this fan think those akb dating games comes from? Of course management know about the fans' delusion and not only they endorse this, they foster these fantasys as it means more income. Damn, how biased can you get?

[sa547]

True, they are fans but these are level-headed fans (as opposed to foaming-to-the-mouth extremists or purists) because they know the terrain better than some journalist who grabs the nearest man and ask questions or pick up references that aren't well-written or based on hearsay (TBH there are only a handful of academic dissertations that attempt to study the idol system in closer detail, and not all of them paint a balanced picture).

If you think it's biased, who else are you going to believe?

(It's sad and funny in that some people who watch 0048 say that they aren't interested in taking a peek at the real group, although many situations in the anime were based from or inspired by real events.)

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by sa547

True, they are fans but these are level-headed fans (as opposed to foaming-to-the-mouth extremists or purists) because they know the terrain better than some journalist who grabs the nearest man and ask questions or pick up references that aren't well-written or based on hearsay (TBH there are only a handful of academic dissertations that attempt to study the idol system in closer detail, and not all of them paint a balanced picture).

If you think it's biased, who else are you going to believe?

They are biased, and as for your question, I won't believe anyone. I'm fine with my own personal take on this.

Originally Posted by sa547

(It's sad and funny in that some people who watch 0048 say that they aren't interested in taking a peek at the real group, although many situations in the anime were based from or inspired by real events.)

Personally, I have taken some time to know the real life group better. I have watched documentaries and listened to their music a bit. But ultimately, the anime is the anime and real life is real life. For instance, if Yuuka was a real idol she would have been expelled or at least punished for having this quasi-boyfriend of hers!

[sa547]

I've yet to hear a well-known non-fan comment about the incident with a balanced perspective, but frankly everyone has a bias.

Patrick Galbraith also had a book, Idols and Celebrity in Japanese Media Culture, which is about as close as academic as you could get, but it's a mixed bag; however, it's probably the only one on idols and that's contemporary as several authors explain in detail how the whole business works.

[KiraYamatoFan]

I had to step in since I already did in another thread.

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Guess the AKB management has taken it too far.
Shaving a girl head as a punishment is too much.

This. It ain't Minegishi's fault if she found herself a man while the other girls don't know how to find their own.

Originally Posted by sa547

With most people here having limited knowledge of the idol entertainment system (and I think they haven't even set their foot on Japan), fed by misinformation from second-hand sources, sensationalist websites or complete critics of the culture (and sorry, some people wrongly get their ideas about Japan only through anime or manga), I don't know how hard for you to imagine that it's a very complex world demanding a huge cultural leap from a closed Western mentality of black-and-white and an open mind to understand.

I have Asian roots of my own, dude, and even I find this extremely degrading for a woman to do, whether it's forced or strongly suggested. Culture or not, going batshit crazy like this because the girl found herself a man while others couldn't... it's just bloody ridiculous. Hell, we are in the 21st Century and yet this was almost as bad as anything seen in the hardcore Muslim Middle-East.

Originally Posted by Utsuro no Hako

I don't think there's anything politically correct about saying, "It's sexist and objectifying for the management to try to control the sexuality of members, especially when that management commodifies that sexuality with gravure photos and videos of the girls prancing around in bikinis or lingerie."

I'll even acknowledge that the rule against romance made sense when the group first started and all the members were young teens -- makes total sense that they wouldn't want a sex scandal involving a 14 year old girl. But the original members are in their 20s now; they're adults, and the management should treat them that way.

Exactly my thoughts. We are talking about the peak of hypocrisy here... what the hell is that? Looks to me that it's OK to keep that "image" so those fans, mostly lonely men, can keep on jerking off all day long instead of going out there finding themselves girls of their own. Meanwhile, idols have no right of living their lives and find partners of their own, not even when they reach legal age. We have something really wrong going on here.

I'd love to see one idol, male or female, calling out those fake or so-called fans someday by what Oasis wrote in one of their songs.

We put this festival on you bastards, with a lotta love.
We worked one year for you pigs
And you want to break our walls down?
And you want to destroy us?
Well you go to hell!

Seriously, there's no point for any artist to satisfy only a bunch of wankers. I'm just so pissed off at this whole thing.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

Whatever petty action you took on people who don't agree with you, I shall not comment further because that simply shows you don't listen as much as you play. There are people who listen to.music which they can inject themselves into, and subsequently, replicate playing it. These people listen for something called the "flow"; not just tolerating and appreciating whatever mashup iTunes provide.

Unfortunately, AKB48 are nothing more than pretty faces on a magazine. Their songs are plain as those factory-churned stuff we have from US popular billboards playing over my car stereo. I must admit, the girls are cute, but they don't seem to have any unique style other than its unique marketing and sales model.

It is just a cash cow of looks - that is why people categorise, albeit in an extreme way, as porn stars.

You...of all people, should know a music or a song is more than technical precision or even the auditory flow of which you speak.

You should know it's very much a mouthpiece of the singer singing it...an expression of self. Even if the songs are mass produced, the lyrics pre-made, the singer singing still has his or her own personality behind it.

To deny that is.....Not listening at all.

Listen with your heart more deeply is all I would say since I really, really don't want to argue with you (in the sense of having flame war with you of all people)



Also no...I'm not an AKB fan. I know they have not as much technical skill as many singers and their music really isn't my kind of tastes but I still don't deny them their......personality if you will.

[sa547]

Man, there's a difference between Oasis and idols; Gallagher is a controversial individualist and libertarian who has a sharp tongue for anything, thus he made many enemies with his assertions, and in Japanese society he's too much of a radical; the idea of idols in a conservative setting suddenly lambasting their audience would only destroy them.

Again, you can't expect the Japanese entertainment industry -- and by extension, the animation industry -- to conform to the Hollywood/Disney model overnight, and that industry is very insular, traditionalist and stubborn to change (save for a few avant-garde film directors).

Bottom line -- if you don't know idols, ask the fans with an open mind rather than to rely on preconceived notions of Japanese culture coming from second-hand sources and idealized fiction. And places like Shitkaku Complex.

[velderia]

I totally forgot that we had a music section in this site so I'll just leave this post here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=9525

[sa547]

Originally Posted by velderia

I totally forgot that we had a music section in this site so I'll just leave this post here: http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...postcount=9525

You mean most of those derailing posts have to be moved here.

[Liddo-kun]

Originally Posted by raduccio

I don't know a lot about AKB48 but from what I read it probably makes a lot of its money from the most obsessive kind of fans who don't like idols that aren't "pure".
It's messed up but this obsession is also what drives them to spend a lot of money on AKB48 products.
Management wants to protect their profits and maybe redeem that girl in the eyes of her fans.
The only message here is that if you want to make money by pretending to be a "pure idol" you should at least allow the fans the illusion that you are. Otherwise you're gonna have to be good enough to attract mostly normal fans who don't care about what you do in your personal time.

Referring to the part that I put in bold.
I don't have much knowledge on the idol business, but I suspect that's what's exactly happening here.

[Eisdrache]

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

This. It ain't Minegishi's fault if she found herself a man while the other girls don't know how to find their own.

[...]

Looks to me that it's OK to keep that "image" so those fans, mostly lonely men, can keep on jerking off all day long instead of going out there finding themselves girls of their own.

Generalization is bad, period.

It's not like the other girls don't know how to find a man, most likely they made the decision to follow the rules of the management. Just like not every fan of AKB is a lonely wanker.

Now whether those rules make sense or not is a completely different story. In my eyes the whole idol system in Japan (and maybe other asia as well but I don't really know about idols outside of Japan and Korea) is very ancient. While I'm not expecting them to conform to the US model which is quite dumb in its own way but a more liberal approach not only in the idol business but Japan in general certainly wouldn't hurt.

Originally Posted by KiraYamatoFan

Hell, we are in the 21st Century and yet this was almost as bad as anything seen in the hardcore Muslim Middle-East.

Are you really comparing shaving your head to middle-east? Really?

[sa547]

Tonight is Sayaka Nakaya's final performance at the theater. Thereafter she'll pursue a new career as a full-time voice actress.

New personal blog:
http://nakaya1015.exblog.jp/

Last 4 G+ entries as AKB member:
https://plus.google.com/117151902078...ts/G74UDcKmeSm
https://plus.google.com/117151902078...ts/87xhM5NRNfP
https://plus.google.com/117151902078...ts/cNzZAvXLUC1
https://plus.google.com/117151902078...ts/B1P2fSQgyMv

Nakaya Sayaka ameblo March 2nd, 2013
2013-03-02 21:00:03
Graduation Announcement

I already had the privilege of announcing this at today 3/2’s theater show, but


I, Nakaya Sayaka, will graduate from AKB48 at the Theater show on 3/6.


For announcing it so abruptly, I’m really sorry.


I’ve thought about graduation ever since I ranked in the general election…no, even before then.


But being able to work with other members is really fun. Being able to see everyone’s smiling faces made me happy.


Honestly I’ve been really spoiled by the environment.


However, finally an event came across that made up my resolution. A voice audition for an anime I love. It will soon begin.


There truly isn’t a guarantee of passing the audition.


But, I really want to do it so. I will throw away this environment I’ve been blessed with up until now.


Furthermore, not just AKB but I’m also leaving the agency I’m attached to, Mousa.
I made the decision because the voice audition has a rule that says you can not be attached to an production.


Really this is a start from zero.


But because of the the things that have come along up until now, I think I’ll be able to persevere


From now on as well, please support Nakaya Sayaka.


Nakaya Sayaka

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not my translation, credit to Raiden @Stage48

[Azuma Denton]

Thanks for the photo...
I've been following her G+ since her debut in Moshidora.
Hope i'll see her name soon on ending credit.

[sa547]

Originally Posted by Azuma Denton

Thanks for the photo...
I've been following her G+ since her debut in Moshidora.
Hope i'll see her name soon on ending credit.

Don't forget to pick up the OST for Chitose Loves You!; it shows her potential to voice and even sing as a younger character.

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Update: just as I'm from dinner comes this:

SKE48'S Hata Sawako announced her graduation from SKE just now, during Team KII's stage.

https://twitter.com/Bilingual48/stat...29275412262913
She'll graduate later this month, and by the next, she'll enroll at a seiyuu school.