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Old 2013-02-22, 23:44   Link #2901
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ah yes that short story. I just needed clarification on what it was. Thanks :3
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Old 2013-02-23, 00:52   Link #2902
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Yeah.


And I've done the rest of Double Seven part 3 summary now, the rest of the plot isn't as worthy of as much detail as the first third IMO.
Spoiler for Part 2 of 3:

Spoiler for Part 3 of 3:
MAn!!!! Thanks for the summary! You are just awesome.
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Old 2013-02-23, 01:20   Link #2903
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And that concerns how to my point, exactly?

Never that it was told that Mayumi know about his position, but her father certainly knows who Tatsuya is. Also looking at how Fujibayashi tried to hide her position to that Chiba inspector.. she would probably also did the same to Mayumi considering that she's part of Saegusa.


Someone put up a summary a couple pages back, just check it.
Reveal the Commander its the recent new contact for them, if before they arrives Maya gave warning to Tats, its mean they have more "contacts".

I dont think She "hide" her position, after all Toshikazu its Heir of Chiba and most likely have same rights over the information as Katsuto, so the existence of the 101th its not secret to him, they mention Fujibashi fame, but Toshikazu its not like Katsuto which speak openly and certainly have experience and brains.
About Mayumi I just repeat what I wrote on jcafe:
its say Kyoko involve with JSDF Special Ops, late she saw Tats disappears to nowhere a 30 or so tons truck, his psions release after Miyuki release his shackles, his flying mobile suit with almost miracle healing magic and his rank are "Special Lieutenant" and the Commander saying key words as "National Defense", "Top Secret", "Don't reveal Tats real identity" and "Non identify Military Unit", Mayumi its not aho girl character to not get there's connection between Tats and 101th suppose non existent JSDF unit, about web arc 6, well if I remember in the summaries there's said Mayumi talk with Kyoko, about levels of secrets, yes, they're levels but just as example: they know about Blanche and even more surprising Tats knew.
I said we need to see Vamps arc release and translated to see the real after math of the Halloween events, like say: Mayumi and Mari will not take all Tats affirmations for granted, knowing hes Military and most likely theres Information/actions restriction Public release, like when the talk about the magatama, far I saw on summary shes look for tag with Him, instead just listen Him.
I don't know if all you People ready found the fact its Mayumi whom always keep review Tats, alone or with Mari, I think the only exception and most likely to explain to the reader was the talk between the doctor and Kyoko, but for new magic, improves and others looks like, its Mayumi.
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Old 2013-02-23, 02:08   Link #2904
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I think we are lacking some infos because at the moment Kudou and Koichi seems to be "carrying the idiot ball".


For exemple if the media leak goes on showing Tatsuya as a child soldier used in black ops and a result of human biotech yea there will be a backlash against the Yotsuba but it could allow to governement to keep Tatsuya (he's a victim and we will keep him safe trust us) on the other hand he must know that the USNA will not leave Japan with a second strategic mage.

So unless Koichi already planning a double cross, his (and Kudou) acceptance of the USNA plan is weird.
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Old 2013-02-23, 03:06   Link #2905
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Reveal the Commander its the recent new contact for them, if before they arrives Maya gave warning to Tats, its mean they have more "contacts".
Which probably means that they already have influence in USNA itself.

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I dont think She "hide" her position, after all Toshikazu its Heir of Chiba and most likely have same rights over the information as Katsuto, so the existence of the 101th its not secret to him, they mention Fujibashi fame, but Toshikazu its not like Katsuto which speak openly and certainly have experience and brains.
Yeah sure, except for the fact that she told Toshikazu herself not to pursue her background
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Noticing the clear eyes watching him without a trace of intoxication, Inspector Chiba recalled his agreement with Fujibayashi.

She only had one condition for providing information integral to the investigation.

And that was to "never ask of her background or goals".

Not asking about her background appeared to be an odd request for Fujibayashi Kyouko.

She was the daughter of the famous Fujibayashi Family who were renowned for Ancient Magic and the granddaughter of Kudou Retsu, one of the elders from the Ten Master Clans, which was something he knew in the beginning.
What was she famous for again? Oh right, being the granddaughter of Kudou and renowned for ancient magic? Is she also renowned for being in military and in turn, her division too? Nothing explicitly stated that. That statement also implies that Toshikazu doesn't know exactly what her involvement in military, but he vaguely knows that Fujibayashi can give him information that he wanted to know.

Here's a question: If you're in Toshikazu's shoes, how do you make the connection between Fujibayashi and the 101 division? Is being mysterious and highly knowledgeable in this world means that he/she is part of that division?

If you want to say 'but logically, anyone should know her!' then I say 'no' too. Think for a sec, if Fujibayashi background is famous enough, don't you think the Major would say something like "I can't reveal my unit' to everyone except Katsuto? Because it's one big secret and not many people know which unit she belongs in.

But hey, maybe you're right about it and Toshikazu actually manages to get the vague idea of her being in that unit with his extensive reasoning and intuition.
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Mayumi its not aho girl character to not get there's connection between Tats and 101th suppose non existent JSDF unit, about web arc 6, well if I remember in the summaries there's said Mayumi talk with Kyoko, about levels of secrets, yes, they're levels but just as example: they know about Blanche and even more surprising Tats knew.
What sort of connections that she could make to specify which units that Tatsuya belongs too in any of her conversation in the novel? Did I miss something here? If you want to say that she knew it because of Fujibayashi, then I stand by my reasoning from before. Except if Mayumi really did try to ask Fujibayashi about which unit that she belongs in (I really doubt that she's going to reveal it) or she did independent research in later novels, then I could say for sure that she already knows which unit he's in.

Saegusa also doesn't has anything to do with 101 batallion because they never tried to mess with the Saegusa before, so they literally ignoring them before the Yokohama incident..

All in all, I strongly disagree that Mayumi knows anything about the unit prior to the newest translated chapter. I think she knows that Fujibayashi is in the military, but I don't think she knew about the unit itself (or more specifically, the details of the unit).
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Old 2013-02-23, 03:31   Link #2906
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I think we are lacking some infos because at the moment Kudou and Koichi seems to be "carrying the idiot ball".


For exemple if the media leak goes on showing Tatsuya as a child soldier used in black ops and a result of human biotech yea there will be a backlash against the Yotsuba but it could allow to governement to keep Tatsuya (he's a victim and we will keep him safe trust us) on the other hand he must know that the USNA will not leave Japan with a second strategic mage.

So unless Koichi already planning a double cross, his (and Kudou) acceptance of the USNA plan is weird.
Kudou doesn't "accept" the plan. All he states is that he doesn't disapprove. This is another way of saying that he might not like it, but he's not willing to use his (lack of) authority to directly stop it either, which is all Koichi cared about. There's potentially multiple reasons why he doesn't directly oppose the plan, to the point where it's not going to be surprising if Fujibayashi and Major Kazama start hearing interesting information tipping them off about Koichi's plan.
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Old 2013-02-23, 04:30   Link #2907
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I think we are lacking some infos because at the moment Kudou and Koichi seems to be "carrying the idiot ball".


For exemple if the media leak goes on showing Tatsuya as a child soldier used in black ops and a result of human biotech yea there will be a backlash against the Yotsuba but it could allow to governement to keep Tatsuya (he's a victim and we will keep him safe trust us) on the other hand he must know that the USNA will not leave Japan with a second strategic mage.

So unless Koichi already planning a double cross, his (and Kudou) acceptance of the USNA plan is weird.
Adding to this, IMO Koichi's plan is doomed to fail because it's the freaking Yotsuba he's going up against. He makes it sound like Yotsuba has no public opinion manipulating specialists to speak off, that all he has to do is out Tatsuya as the 101st Battalion member, suggest 1st High are raising child soldiers, and the Yotsuba + 1st High's principal will bite the dust. We as readers know Yotsuba has plenty of such specialists, how long was Tatsuya hidden from being known as one of the Yotsuba or the Silver Taurus again?
Kudou OTOH, I wouldn't put it past him to try and interfere in the plan, not to stop Koichi but to implement his own version of plot to try and bring down the Yotsuba a few notches with Koichi as the fall guy.
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Old 2013-02-23, 04:36   Link #2908
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Actually, he does. It was said in Mayumi SS.
Does he know that Tatsuya hate Yotsuba clan that if not because of Miyuki he would wipe them out from the face of the earth?
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Old 2013-02-23, 04:52   Link #2909
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Adding to this, IMO Koichi's plan is doomed to fail because it's the freaking Yotsuba he's going up against. He makes it sound like Yotsuba has no public opinion manipulating specialists to speak off, that all he has to do is out Tatsuya as the 101st Battalion member, suggest 1st High are raising child soldiers, and the Yotsuba + 1st High's principal will bite the dust. We as readers know Yotsuba has plenty of such specialists, how long was Tatsuya hidden from being known as one of the Yotsuba or the Silver Taurus again?
Kudou OTOH, I wouldn't put it past him to try and interfere in the plan, not to stop Koichi but to implement his own version of plot to try and bring down the Yotsuba a few notches with Koichi as the fall guy.
Nahh. His plan is doomed to fail because he's gonna mess with Tatsuya directly, not just the Yotsuba.

That's why I just want the Yotsuba gone or Tatsuya destroying it already.
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Old 2013-02-23, 05:11   Link #2910
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As long as the plan doesn't involve Miyuki the slightest bit then Tatsuya won't retaliate that much but if it did then Koichi better pray...
Tatsuya's already a monster even with handicap or while holding back...it will be another one side slaughter if he is to go against them
And unlike the Yotsuba, the Saegusa doesn't have someone to use as a shield to prevent Tatsuya from going against them...
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Old 2013-02-23, 05:15   Link #2911
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If koichi waited just a little longer tatsuya would have spared him the trouble of destroying the yotsuba.Now,he made himself a target too.
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^He's not yet a target but he's going to be a target unless someone (Mayumi) stop him...
If he badly want to weaken the Yotsuba then all he needs to do is to remove Tatsuya from them through any form of method including having him married to a different clan like theirs (Mayumi)
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Looks like ch 1 and 2 of vol 8 have been completed.
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Old 2013-02-23, 08:29   Link #2914
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Looks like ch 1 and 2 of vol 8 have been completed.
and also vol 8 ch 3.
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Old 2013-02-23, 08:49   Link #2915
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and also vol 8 ch 3.
It's not completed, it only started.
The registration page doesn't show who's translating Ch.3, is it Seitsuki?
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It's not completed, it only started.
The registration page doesn't show who's translating Ch.3, is it Seitsuki?
Maybe, he was hinting about it a few pages ago, however he doesn't have any raws so we don't know.
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Old 2013-02-23, 13:12   Link #2917
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*Which probably means that they already have influence in USNA itself.

Yeah sure, except for the fact that she told Toshikazu herself not to pursue her background
What was she famous for again? Oh right, being the granddaughter of Kudou and renowned for ancient magic? Is she also renowned for being in military and in turn, her division too? Nothing explicitly stated that. That statement also implies that Toshikazu doesn't know exactly what her involvement in military, but he vaguely knows that Fujibayashi can give him information that he wanted to know.
**Here's a question: If you're in Toshikazu's shoes, how do you make the connection between Fujibayashi and the 101 division? Is being mysterious and highly knowledgeable in this world means that he/she is part of that division?

If you want to say 'but logically, anyone should know her!' then I say 'no' too. Think for a sec, if Fujibayashi background is famous enough, don't you think the Major would say something like ***"I can't reveal my unit' to everyone except Katsuto? Because it's one big secret and not many people know which unit she belongs in.

But hey, maybe you're right about it and Toshikazu actually manages to get the vague idea of her being in that unit with his extensive reasoning and intuition.

****What sort of connections that she could make to specify which units that Tatsuya belongs too in any of her conversation in the novel? Did I miss something here? If you want to say that she knew it because of Fujibayashi, then I stand by my reasoning from before. Except if Mayumi really did try to ask Fujibayashi about which unit that she belongs in (I really doubt that she's going to reveal it) or she did independent research in later novels, then I could say for sure that she already knows which unit he's in.

Saegusa also doesn't has anything to do with 101 batallion because they never tried to mess with the Saegusa before, so they literally ignoring them before the Yokohama incident..

All in all, I strongly disagree that Mayumi knows anything about the unit prior to the newest translated chapter. I think she knows that Fujibayashi is in the military, but I don't think she knew about the unit itself (or more specifically, the details of the unit).
* Its not said openly, but its implicit idea: If they ready knows previously Sirius Team arrival to Japan they're coming its cuz they have contacts, the Commander its probably the newest and her level of access its good.

** I explained before: all Countries have Units in the Law Enforcement or Military which need work in the shadows for their own purpose and actions, even with the most tight control of the information some pieces are leaked, at least on the Law Enforcement and Military world keep all quiet about Okinawa victory inner workings its impossible, so o explain better: history show's black Ops units always left traces and more heroic or impossible mission they do, more difficult to hide all, take the earlier MI-6 doing during WWII, even in the 40s and in the middle of millions of soldiers there's was gossips about that units, same with 72 Olympic athletes (revenge) Kidom unit, Deltas, Seals, Rainbow 6.

*** Captain Sanada didn't reveal his Unit to Katsuto, its was Juumongi who made the affirmation and Sanada just confirm, remember Katsuto did the math wit just seen the weapon equipment of Sanada, take as reference with the rest of Tats peers, most of them are highly connected with vital info about magic and military, take the characters design to know people like Mari, Isori, Kirihara, Mayumi, Suzune among others always paid attention to their surrounds, people actions and reactions, some times even they provoque to see responses, Mayumi at least is top character at this point (I will say its like Neko type, which do just for killing the boring or curiosity like when introduce her bodyguard to Tats), Katsuto its more "open and direct", so you need to agree most of the characters with exeption of Katsuto and some times Leo are "Don't need to said".
**** Take a look of what Mayumi usually do in the story line, so its not like blind points, its more like connecting dots, based on Student Council SS its not far to say she is the first of the Students realize their real comes, the only she stop keeping on the matter its was her fear to damage their relation, with this looks to me Mayumi really appreciate their relationship with Shiba siblings.
The world they live in, its a world what not everything its said, 101th is ready knows as ghost unit, so if you see a Military Unit arrival, which Commander implies cannot revel their IDs, plus the equipment's, resources, members and technology, like how many units of the armed forces have disposal for combat the mobile suits??, you don't need graphic arts to get at most likely clue what they coming from.

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Kudou doesn't "accept" the plan. All he states is that he doesn't disapprove. This is another way of saying that he might not like it, but he's not willing to use his (lack of) authority to directly stop it either, which is all Koichi cared about. There's potentially multiple reasons why he doesn't directly oppose the plan, to the point where it's not going to be surprising if Fujibayashi and Major Kazama start hearing interesting information tipping them off about Koichi's plan.
Don't deny its accepting say old affirmation, or knows as "Passive approval", could be Retsu just don't want be openly meddle in between 2 of the most powerfull Clans.
I think the old man will use Koichi as part of his own plans, one shot=2 master Clans.

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Adding to this, IMO Koichi's plan is doomed to fail because it's the freaking Yotsuba he's going up against. He makes it sound like Yotsuba has no public opinion manipulating specialists to speak off, that all he has to do is out Tatsuya as the 101st Battalion member, suggest 1st High are raising child soldiers, and the Yotsuba + 1st High's principal will bite the dust. We as readers know Yotsuba has plenty of such specialists, how long was Tatsuya hidden from being known as one of the Yotsuba or the Silver Taurus again?
Kudou OTOH, I wouldn't put it past him to try and interfere in the plan, not to stop Koichi but to implement his own version of plot to try and bring down the Yotsuba a few notches with Koichi as the fall guy.
Agree with you, its will be very interesting see how they will manage all this, like I explained before Yotsuba could not overwhelm Saegusa cuz will give perfect excuse to the other 8 Master Clans to enforce against them, but at the same time cannot look weak, about their Specialists, I think its the Clan with better position to do, due their Policies during decades they forge their own resources supplies, like say CADs or ancient magic or other types of magicians, plus they only took the best of the best, their info management and control ready have long term experience.
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I get the feeling Tatsuya will end up using this as an opportunity to make a secret alliance with Koichi while also keeping his secret. They have similar plans so it would only be natural.
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Even if Tats decided to marry Mayumi, he still wouldn't leave Youtsuba because it was stated that he's helping Youtstuba because of Miyuki, but if Miyuki whre to marry someone from Saegusa's main family, then Tatsuya would join them. But this theory is very unlikely, afterall we all know how strong is Miyuki's brocon love is, so she wouldn't marry anyone.
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Even if Tats decided to marry Mayumi, he still wouldn't leave Youtsuba because it was stated that he's helping Youtstuba because of Miyuki, but if Miyuki whre to marry someone from Saegusa's main family, then Tatsuya would join them. But this theory is very unlikely, afterall we all know how strong is Miyuki's brocon love is, so she wouldn't marry anyone.
Miyuki would likely follow Tatsuya wherever he went even if it meant fighting the Yotsuba. I'd say that the Saegusa would be happy to protect her if Tatsuya asked for it. They seek to weaken the Yotsuba, not destroy them. If they could get in someone they could trust as head, it would all be for the better.
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