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Old 2013-03-09, 23:45   Link #3581
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Lol, he technically did in volume 8. Tatsuya was like, Miyuki is the only who can order me. Maya looks up and is shocked that Tatsuya is disobeying a direct order from her.

What happens next?

*Street Fighter style* FIGHT!
That's because that's his absolutely non-negotiable.
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Old 2013-03-10, 00:17   Link #3582
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how many badass moments does tatsuya have in vol 9?
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Old 2013-03-10, 01:53   Link #3583
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Is it me or Lina looks like Saber in Fate/Zero?

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how many badass moments does tatsuya have in vol 9?
As usual, quite a lot LOL
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Old 2013-03-10, 02:00   Link #3584
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Is it me or Lina looks like Saber in Fate/Zero?
Lina has twin tails though.
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Old 2013-03-10, 07:53   Link #3585
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I think he skips the activation sequence altogether and proceeds straight to the magic sequence, as long as it has 5 processes or less.
I think that isn´t correct. "skips the activation sequence altogether and proceeds straight to the magic sequence, as long as it has 5 processes or less" is what Tatsuya said to Mizuki in in order to keep "flash cast" a secret.
I think he can use flash cast regardless the numbers of processes. As he is not good with magic, he sometimes uses flash cast in magics he is specialised in.
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Old 2013-03-10, 08:10   Link #3586
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bonds between siblings are stronger than bonds between cousins. Like say their aunt is actually his birth mother but to save her own face at having given birth to him and that they started to fear him she gave him to her sister who was Miyuki's mom to raise hoping she would do something about him rather than her having to deal with it. They could've also altered his memories to make sure he didn't remember it. Tatsuya and Miyuki would still technically be brother and sister in this case since they were raised by the same person. As long as Tatsuya identifies her as a sister, blood wouldn't matter. as long as he thinks she is his sister there will be an unbreakable wall between them to keep anything happening that may give him power in the family. while also as his sister there would be a strong bond between them to keep him under control.
hey guys, what are you thinking suddenly? please stop with these hypotheses.
Tatsuya and Miyuki are siblings related by blood. Why would you make them being cousins?
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Old 2013-03-10, 08:13   Link #3587
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That's just.. no. If he's able to do complex process for his magic, then Miya's experiment was a success rather than a failure.
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I think he can use flash cast regardless the numbers of processes. As he is not good with magic
No♥ . What he lied to Mizuki was not the nature of his ability but rather the principle of it's origin (as in, he tried to disguise it as a general skill rather than an specific one), he more or less did that because he clearly made the observation that lying her would further peak her interest later thanks to her ability to notice things via her eyes.

If Tatsuya was freely able to use magic of infinite processes or even "a lot of processes", he wouldn't have been deemed as a failure by the Yotsuba in the first place.
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Old 2013-03-10, 08:25   Link #3589
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I think that isn´t correct. "skips the activation sequence altogether and proceeds straight to the magic sequence, as long as it has 5 processes or less" is what Tatsuya said to Mizuki in in order to keep "flash cast" a secret.
I think he can use flash cast regardless the numbers of processes. As he is not good with magic, he sometimes uses flash cast in magics he is specialised in.
but we don't know yet for sure that is the whole true.
cardinal code+flash cast,i'm wonder what it would look like?
perhaps,even now,we still have no seen all of what tatsuya is capable of.
i wish,but i doubt, double 7 would cover the next 9 school competition:i hope he will take care of the twin-including kasumi-cad and even create strategie-new spell like he did for honoka and shizuku;for he will likely take suzune("rin-chan")place as chief strategist.
i'm surprised no one discuss who will take part to the next monolithe code,personnally i would bet for mihiko,hattori and morisaki-to the great disapointment of his self-procaimed rivals:masaki and george.
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Old 2013-03-10, 08:30   Link #3590
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Huh?

From what I understand, cardinal code is a single process magic.. or at least, it seems like that. Since the magic is basically the driving force of the magic itself. It's what 'moves' the object itself rather than moving it by rewriting eidos to move it. I don't think there's any complex process in that.

If Tatsuya already understand the magic, I think he can use it at will.
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Old 2013-03-10, 09:14   Link #3591
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hey guys, what are you thinking suddenly? please stop with these hypotheses.
Tatsuya and Miyuki are siblings related by blood. Why would you make them being cousins?
So they can marry each other?
(In Japan cousins marriage is legal.)

Though I really hope that he end up with Erika but from what I read in vol6&7 she might end up with Leo....

It look like author don;t like harem since Mibu end up with boyfriends out of blue >> same thing with Mari

(any girl who might end up as Tatsuya harem member end up with random lover... who's we never know anything about beforehand...
Hell! If it is not Leo >>> I will not get surprised if she actually have secret boyfriends or something...)
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Old 2013-03-10, 09:16   Link #3592
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I think that isn´t correct. "skips the activation sequence altogether and proceeds straight to the magic sequence, as long as it has 5 processes or less" is what Tatsuya said to Mizuki in in order to keep "flash cast" a secret.
I think he can use flash cast regardless the numbers of processes. As he is not good with magic, he sometimes uses flash cast in magics he is specialised in.
In Vol.2:
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In reality, Tatsuya had another idea. Since she already figured out that he had a technique that bypasses Activation Sequences to use magic, as long as she thinks that this isn't a personal skill and more of a systemic one, then everything was fine. So long as he could sate her sense of curiosity, she would have no further problems.
As Okashira said, he lies about the origin of Flash Cast.
If he can chain unlimited processes, the operation would have been a success, since the artificial MPZ would most likely outperform the MPZ of the average magician in the scale of the Magic Sequence, even if the phenomena rewriting ability is a bit lacking.

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hey guys, what are you thinking suddenly? please stop with these hypotheses.
Tatsuya and Miyuki are siblings related by blood. Why would you make them being cousins?
Why are you digging around old posts? Both mine and cyberdemon's quote are 3 months old, they are not really suddenly or recent discussion topics.
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Old 2013-03-10, 09:45   Link #3593
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Hey guys, is it true Tatsuya's character was based primarily on the Hindu god Shiva? Cause that is wicked cool...
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Old 2013-03-10, 10:23   Link #3594
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You really try to take things on face value, don't you?
I didn't type the word "fight" but use "rebel" instead because he can't openly oppose them yet. However, that doesn't stop him from turn on them in the future and make just obidencely follow their order like slave for the rest of his life. Yeah, he cant fight now, but he prepares. It is as stupid as saying something like " because the people don't have any major battle like Normandy against their dictator , only small skimish therefore not rebel."

I'm only mobile phone niw so i cant quote evidents but 2 times he defiles their orders to leave Miyuki and become their full-time slave, from his boss' bitch and from his mother's bitch - Maya.
Furthermore, you know how obvious his intention is when his target states that: he will go to war with out clan.(tebel is supposed to be a subtle movement, a preparation).
And beside, @Cyberdemon, why do you think Yotsuba take Miyuki as hostage? Because Tatsuya is obviously their loyal servant and wont turn on them when he has chances?
Actually, why do you think bank robber takes hostages? Because they just say" fuc.k off bitch" and the police just leave them alone?
You know you are desperate when you try to turn the obivous fact 180 degree around.

The second point, he doesn't give a f when his schoolmate die, don't give a f about waste lots of people, he doesn't give a f about how he is viewed. Do you really think he and she gives a f if they becomes enemy of japan? And even that doesn't matter, unsa want to be his bitch. Not to mention that he has solid military and economic power(through selling technology instead of post it for free). With those real power comes politic power.
Actually I take nothing about the Yotsuba at face value unless it is clearly stated by the omisentient 3 person narrator even Tatsuya's pov isn't perfect as he can misread peoples intentions. I also don't trust summaries as unwittingly or not they have bias in then as well as may not impart some of the more subtle currents.
The thing is their have been no small skirmishes as you call them.

First if you are referring to his father as his boss His step mother wasn't acting on behalf of the Yotsuba in fact she hates them nor does she want him to be a slave. The fact is he is one of the finest researchers they have ever had. I do have a theory that the reason his father wants him to come work for them is that he sees it as a way to give his son freedom but that is not how Tatsuya interprets it.

The second hasn't been translated yet and doesn't make too much sense since Maya knows that only Miyuki should be able to give the order for him to step down.

If either one becomes the enemy of the state they are dead. The only reason tatsuya has any degree of freedom is do to the number of chains that bind him. get rid of too many of them and he becomes to dangerous to be allowed to live.

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I see the cardinal codes more like Assembly (fast and powerful but a bit hard to understand), normal magic as something like C++, ancient could be like PASCAL (easy to use but leaves a lot of room for optimization), and Tatsuya's as machine code (harder then hell to use but extremely powerful and able to be extremely optimized)
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Old 2013-03-10, 11:03   Link #3595
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Spoiler for Vol 1 ch 2:


Tatsuya does not misread people intentions, the truth of the matter is they do not even let him do what he wants. You see they do not let him research, they only want his elemental sight. Do not try to impose your opinion when the truth of the matter is different, the simple fact that his own mother has already lost it, in respect to him talks a lot. Saying to us she did it, not for her son, but for her, making her lose in the process something a human should have.
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Old 2013-03-10, 11:13   Link #3596
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Hey guys, is it true Tatsuya's character was based primarily on the Hindu god Shiva? Cause that is wicked cool...
Well there are reference to it but it's not like everything of the legend was taken and put into Tatsuya.

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Well, she is an American blonde chick ,duh.


She is Lina, unsc stragety class magician who sent to japan for only god know reason.
To recruit Tatsuya for USNA, or killed him if he declines.
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Old 2013-03-10, 12:08   Link #3597
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Spoiler for Vol 1 ch 2:


Tatsuya does not misread people intentions, the truth of the matter is they do not even let him do what he wants. You see they do not let him research, they only want his elemental sight.
That is completely debunked by Volume 6.
Spoiler for volume 6:


Seems to me that yes Tatsuya does get to do what he wants quite often, what he isn't telling Miyuki is they were also haveing him use his recovery ablity not his elemental sight. And volume 7 showed how Miyuki gets about him useing that. He also sees all the employee's as just being tools as well includeing himself, so can we really trust that he is really reading people right knowing he has a warped POV?

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Do not try to impose your opinion when the truth of the matter is different, the simple fact that his own mother has already lost it, in respect to him talks a lot. Saying to us she did it, not for her son, but for her, making her lose in the process something a human should have.
As what you are refering to here has not been translated I'm not going to comment, as I have said before context is important and I have found that many of the sumries I read after I read the chapter have a diffrent bias then the one I got reading the chapter in the first place. It's not like no one ever lies or tells half truths in the story, in fact Tatsuya does it all the time.
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Old 2013-03-10, 13:19   Link #3598
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Youre right(until its translated we cannot say).
But this was not rebutted, the reason why he can do what he wants to some extent is because he is the Guardian of Miyuki, and because of his own might, as was explained by Miyuki or was someone else(I dont remember), during his stance in the Lab he made powerful contributions to the company, gaining his own freedom by force, the mere fact that his lab is the thrid division, a division that was clearly despised until Tatsuya came and changed things, the fact that she didnt want to give this to the third division and bypass her own authority and give it directly to Tatsuya says to us they dont want to give him more chances for him to gain more freedom through his identity as Silver gaining more acknoledgment in the public eye(and her own interests).
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Huh?

From what I understand, cardinal code is a single process magic.. or at least, it seems like that. Since the magic is basically the driving force of the magic itself. It's what 'moves' the object itself rather than moving it by rewriting eidos to move it. I don't think there's any complex process in that.

If Tatsuya already understand the magic, I think he can use it at will.
Cardinal Code magic affects the Eidos indirectly because of how it pre-defines the force on it's own. However, it most likely has its own catches, like Invisible Bullet requiring visual confirmation to fire -- something that's not very frequently useful to Tatsuya considering how much more heavily he relies on Elemental Sight and firing through obstacles.
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but we don't know yet for sure that is the whole true.
cardinal code+flash cast,i'm wonder what it would look like?
perhaps,even now,we still have no seen all of what tatsuya is capable of.
i wish,but i doubt, double 7 would cover the next 9 school competition:i hope he will take care of the twin-including kasumi-cad and even create strategie-new spell like he did for honoka and shizuku;for he will likely take suzune("rin-chan")place as chief strategist.
i'm surprised no one discuss who will take part to the next monolithe code,personnally i would bet for mihiko,hattori and morisaki-to the great disapointment of his self-procaimed rivals:masaki and george.
It s just sa you says. Perhaps we don´t know yet the full ability oy Tatsuya!
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