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Old 2012-04-05, 01:51   Link #20681
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Who is to blame for Greece's economic problems? I haven't followed this, but a couple of years ago I read that it wasn't just it's government, but that many Greek citizen's are to blame (IIRC; something about them making full use of poor laws and regulations from the government). I'm not clear on the details.
- The people because they didn't pay their taxes and elected their government.
- The government because they let the people get away with that shit and cooked the books to hide the mess they were in.
- The banks (particularly Goldman Sachs, IIRC) because they aided and abetted the government in said cooking.
- Possibly the EU, who didn't investigate Greece before letting them into the Eurozone, leading to them getting cheap loans.
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Old 2012-04-05, 02:57   Link #20682
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Yep, you pretty much need to hang the entire country and players in the EU and the banksters as well. Not that I don't love Greece -- but the EU was insane to admit it into the EU's financial sphere.
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Old 2012-04-05, 03:17   Link #20683
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Yep, you pretty much need to hang the entire country and players in the EU and the banksters as well. Not that I don't love Greece -- but the EU was insane to admit it into the EU's financial sphere.
Well technically, Germany was the most economically powerful in the European sphere, so it is like a long time war debt to be repaid when they admit Greece; most probably the other Europeans like the French and British voted for it in the same purpose (though the Brits were smart enough not to merge their currency into the Euro) to seal the deal.

We have smart creatures working for GS, but they are beasts with no ethics....to see big gaping hole like this, and instead of helping to close it, they lent them money to earn the interest, then hedge against it to recoup their principal.

Though I haven't traded GS for quite some time, it is one of my favourite stock to hold in my paper trades; I reset my karma by being extra nice to bank staff and the old aunties and uncles who have no idea that their savings might be wiped thanks to the idiots who resell GS's financial products.
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Old 2012-04-05, 04:09   Link #20684
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China ship insurer deals new blow to Iran oil exports
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83405L20120405
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Old 2012-04-05, 05:31   Link #20685
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Well technically, Germany was the most economically powerful in the European sphere, so it is like a long time war debt to be repaid when they admit Greece; most probably the other Europeans like the French and British voted for it in the same purpose (though the Brits were smart enough not to merge their currency into the Euro) to seal the deal.
And we only just paid off our WWI debts...

Though Greece has been getting money through the EU from Germany for decades now. And since the Euro they had the lowest interest rates since, like, forever, you know. I don't want to do too much finger pointing, as they've been doing the same thing all Western nations have been doing for a long time. It's just that they overdid it. Just wish my government would've asked the people if they want to create/join the Euro and guarantee for the other nations, instead of dragging us deeper and deeper into the shit.
I mean, Greece's deficit is larger than that of Germany...

The European leaders and their delusions of grandeur. Jean-Claude Juncker, one of the main heads behind the Euro, announced the Euro - unlike himself - will continue to exist "forever" just two days ago. And Germans still remember the 1000 year Reich that lasted only 12 and the Socialism, that was supposedly "unstoppable" - a month before the Wall fell.
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Old 2012-04-05, 11:59   Link #20686
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Global hacking group Anonymous says it hacked Chinese government sites

"China was struggling Thursday to restore several government Web sites that
international hacking group Anonymous says it attacked in an apparent protest
against Chinese Internet restrictions.

On a Twitter account established in late March, Anonymous China listed the Web
sites it says it hacked over the last several days. They include government
bureaus in several Chinese cities, including in Chengdu, a provincial capital in
southwest China."

See:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...d=pm_world_pop


===============================================

Hacker claims breach of Chinese defense contractor:

"A hacker has posted thousands of internal documents he says he obtained by
breaking into the network of a Chinese company with defense contracts, an
unusual extension of the phenomenon of activist hacking into the world's most
populous country.

The hacker, who uses the name Hardcore Charlie and said he was a friend of
Hector Xavier Monsegur, the leader-turned- informant of the activist hacking
group, LulzSec, told Reuters he got inside Beijing-based China National Import &
Export Corp (CEIEC)."

See:

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...ies&Itemid=109
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Old 2012-04-05, 12:15   Link #20687
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"China was struggling Thursday to restore several government Web sites that
international hacking group Anonymous says it attacked in an apparent protest
against Chinese Internet restrictions.

On a Twitter account established in late March, Anonymous China listed the Web
sites it says it hacked over the last several days. They include government
bureaus in several Chinese cities, including in Chengdu, a provincial capital in
southwest China."

See:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...d=pm_world_pop


===============================================

Hacker claims breach of Chinese defense contractor:

"A hacker has posted thousands of internal documents he says he obtained by
breaking into the network of a Chinese company with defense contracts, an
unusual extension of the phenomenon of activist hacking into the world's most
populous country.

The hacker, who uses the name Hardcore Charlie and said he was a friend of
Hector Xavier Monsegur, the leader-turned- informant of the activist hacking
group, LulzSec, told Reuters he got inside Beijing-based China National Import &
Export Corp (CEIEC)."

See:

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...ies&Itemid=109
1. someones head will roll (literally) for this.
2. this will get the fbi off anon back for a while until the next government hack.
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Old 2012-04-05, 12:20   Link #20688
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Wasn't China suspected of having a team of government hackers?

I for one want to see one of the biggest cyber wars for all time. Anonymous vs. China hackers.

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Old 2012-04-05, 12:23   Link #20689
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The European leaders and their delusions of grandeur. Jean-Claude Juncker, one of the main heads behind the Euro, announced the Euro - unlike himself - will continue to exist "forever" just two days ago. And Germans still remember the 1000 year Reich that lasted only 12 and the Socialism, that was supposedly "unstoppable" - a month before the Wall fell.
Not a surprise actually, they had built consistently strong empires that lasted for 4-5 centuries.

Other than the French of course.

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1. someones head will roll (literally) for this.
2. this will get the fbi off anon back for a while until the next government hack.
The FBI probably paid Hector to introduce someone to do this. Heck this entire thing is probably a CIA operation......the Anon attack is probably used to divert attention away from stealing the defence contracts.

Must have been related to the Marine reinforcement in SEA recently.
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Old 2012-04-05, 13:38   Link #20690
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I visited a couple Chinese news sites and online forums and didn't find any discussion of this. Maybe there will be something tomorrow.
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Old 2012-04-05, 14:34   Link #20691
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I for one want to see one of the biggest cyber wars for all time. Anonymous vs. China hackers.

I would say than it depend of what kind of war they try.
If they try to hack each others: yes.
If they try to hack more site than the others: hell no.
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Old 2012-04-05, 14:55   Link #20692
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I agree with the President on this one.
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Old 2012-04-05, 15:01   Link #20693
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I agree with the President on this one.
Pffft, the only ones who *don't* think this are the crabby old white men of the Augusta country club. The rich version of the little boy's fort that says, "NO Gurrls!!!"
But remember... there was a big rahrah over whether they'd even let Tiger Woods play there... we're talking serious retrograde "Old South" :P

Idiots...
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Old 2012-04-05, 15:07   Link #20694
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Pffft, the only ones who *don't* think this are the crabby old white men of the Augusta country club. The rich version of the little boy's fort that says, "NO Gurrls!!!"
But remember... there was a big rahrah over whether they'd even let Tiger Woods play there... we're talking serious retrograde "Old South" :P

Idiots...
How many year ago did they allow jews or catholic in their club ? If they had problem with Tiger Wood back them, it's probably rather recent.
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Old 2012-04-05, 15:12   Link #20695
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Pffft, the only ones who *don't* think this are the crabby old white men of the Augusta country club. The rich version of the little boy's fort that says, "NO Gurrls!!!"
But remember... there was a big rahrah over whether they'd even let Tiger Woods play there... we're talking serious retrograde "Old South" :P

Idiots...
It is the CSA vs the Union, 21st century.
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Old 2012-04-05, 15:20   Link #20696
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Pffft, the only ones who *don't* think this are the crabby old white men of the Augusta country club. The rich version of the little boy's fort that says, "NO Gurrls!!!"
But remember... there was a big rahrah over whether they'd even let Tiger Woods play there... we're talking serious retrograde "Old South" :P

Idiots...
Oh, I've had a field day trolling the comments.
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Old 2012-04-05, 16:25   Link #20697
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Really sad day, Jim Marshall died
read more on bbc news
Even though I personally prefer playing on other amps, Jim Marshall was a genius, creating that dirty sound that everyone loves.
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Old 2012-04-05, 16:45   Link #20698
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From "Irritable Heart" to "Shellshock": How Post-Traumatic Stress Became a Disease
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Old 2012-04-05, 17:10   Link #20699
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Didn't George Carlin has a bit on "Shellshock"?
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Old 2012-04-05, 17:22   Link #20700
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I wouldn't call it a disease, but the problem can be horrifying.

I remember getting group counselled with a couple of problem kids, and it turned out that all of us were bully victims. But when one of them started shouting at the counsellor for "hitting the soft spot", the other was cowering in her chair in an almost fetal position and started sobbing hysterically.

Still, my guess is that the sufferers couldn't find anyone who could listen and understand at the same time. And they were very likely to be right....and it compounds the problem since nobody thought they could, nobody bothered.
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