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Old 2013-01-24, 21:21   Link #25921
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Choose your state wisely. There is huge variation in quality of life and availability of work and it isn't the same answer depending on the skill sets. The entire country of Ireland pretty much fits in the Portland, Oregon metro region.
Obviously. But from what I can see, the worst parts of America are not as bad as the worst parts of Europe, for instance, there's no American state with 25% unemployment, like Spain. In fact, Ireland at 14.5% has higher unemployment then every single US state.

And there are many parts of America that are better then the best parts of Europe, the best country in Europe is Austria at 4.5%, the best state in the US is North Dakota at 3.2%.

That said, very few states have better unemployment rates then Germany, but then I don't speak German so...
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Old 2013-01-24, 22:11   Link #25922
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Obviously. But from what I can see, the worst parts of America are not as bad as the worst parts of Europe, for instance, there's no American state with 25% unemployment, like Spain. In fact, Ireland at 14.5% has higher unemployment then every single US state.

And there are many parts of America that are better then the best parts of Europe, the best country in Europe is Austria at 4.5%, the best state in the US is North Dakota at 3.2%.

That said, very few states have better unemployment rates then Germany, but then I don't speak German so...
as a engineer you shouldn't have any issue finding a job in the US. Quite a lot of my clients are Engineers. Move to California (best Weather in US) and let me sell you some Insurance
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Old 2013-01-24, 22:57   Link #25923
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English are free of their own destiny if they want to leave European Union, they have the absolute right to do so as a democratic and souvereign country.

But holy, may they do it quickly, we lost some damn dozens of years because of their "yeah we want economic freedom but if you touch to our national rights gtfo", China ans US aren't waiting EU in this economical war.
TBT they are only doing this tantrum to get an excuse later on to be even MORE obstructionists, a really united EU would be more powerful than China but the USA does not want a tripolar word so their puppet (the UK) will do what they have already been doing.
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Old 2013-01-24, 23:03   Link #25924
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TBT they are only doing this tantrum to get an excuse later on to be even MORE obstructionists, a really united EU would be more powerful than China but the USA does not want a tripolar word so their puppet (the UK) will do what they have already been doing.
Because the UK is totally not their own country and shouldn't be allowed to determine whether they want to be in the EU or not
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Old 2013-01-24, 23:26   Link #25925
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as a engineer you shouldn't have any issue finding a job in the US. Quite a lot of my clients are Engineers. Move to California (best Weather in US) and let me sell you some Insurance
The tricky thing is not finding work as an engineer, but finding work as an engineer with no experience.

Alas, I see too many job postings with "Must have 5 years of experience with deformable plastics". Hopefully it will be better in the US.

I'd move to Cali, but getting an engineering job can take time, and I don't want to be among the 10% unemployed there. I'll probably end out working in some coal mine or Oil rig, knowing my luck.
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Old 2013-01-24, 23:57   Link #25926
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California is also expensive.

Amd the "must have x years of experiance" has been fustrating me for some time now. My basic question being "how am I suppose to gain expiance if no one hires anyone without experiance?"
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Old 2013-01-25, 00:06   Link #25927
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There's plenty of jobs available here in Downtown Los Angeles..... for non-resident, H1-B visa holders.

btw my jewelry biz is mostly made up of H1-B holders.


Protip: California consistently ranks as the #1 state for visa (H1-B) sponsorship.
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Old 2013-01-25, 00:10   Link #25928
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That doesn't help a native very much though (in my case, though L.A. is way too far to commute for me, being over 400 miles away).
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Old 2013-01-25, 00:45   Link #25929
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California is also expensive.

Amd the "must have x years of experiance" has been fustrating me for some time now. My basic question being "how am I suppose to gain expiance if no one hires anyone without experiance?"
They all want "someone else" to do it. Back in the 80s/90s, a lot of companies understood they had to grow engineers. Then the accountants took over.
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Old 2013-01-25, 01:44   Link #25930
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And there are many parts of America that are better then the best parts of Europe, the best country in Europe is Austria at 4.5%, the best state in the US is North Dakota at 3.2%.
In Europe the European Union. Norway and Switzerland have lower unemployment rates than North Dakota. Interesting that allegedly North Dakotans have 47% German and 30% Norwegian ancestry, btw.

I'd also be careful with the "low Euro makes Germany successful" theory that's floating around everywhere. Switzerland has had similar rises in exports despite its strong currency. It probably has more to do with the rise of the developing nations than anything else.

Now that we've looked at Austrian, Swiss and German unemployment rates, maybe you really should consider studying German in all your free time?

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There's no if possible. Ask Japan if they want a free trade union with china and you will quickly get the answer. Should this day come, I really hope you won't tell me " Why aren't they joining with the first economical superpower"
The thing is that the EU is much more than just a trade union. Ask Japan if they want to open their borders to any Chinese that wants to enter, no questions asked. Or if they want to subsidize Chinese infrastructure, agriculture and industry. If they want to guarantee for Chinese bonds. If they want to give up on the Yen and lose total control over their own currency. EU and Euro memberships come with a lot of downsides for everyone involved.
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Old 2013-01-25, 02:15   Link #25931
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To be fair to the brits, if I had to choose between the USA and Europe right now, I'd probably choose the USA. At least the USA has work.
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Choose your state wisely. There is huge variation in quality of life and availability of work and it isn't the same answer depending on the skill sets. The entire country of Ireland pretty much fits in the Portland, Oregon metro region.
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California is also expensive.
Here's for those truly and deeply committed to move to U.S. .....
First, prospective immigrants need only concern on where he/she's most likely to get sponsored. Everything else comes distant 2nd. For prospective __skills based H1-B__ immigrant(s) CA is still a safe choice to get sponsored.

"CA is expensive" is almost a non-issue if the primary concern is to get sponsored and land a job.

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I'd move to Cali, but getting an engineering job can take time, and I don't want to be among the 10% unemployed there. I'll probably end out working in some coal mine or Oil rig, knowing my luck.
Now pick your state
top states to get you sponsored

California
New Jersey
Texas
New York
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Massachusetts
Virginia
Florida
Michigan
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Old 2013-01-25, 02:37   Link #25932
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Here's for those truly and deeply committed to move to U.S. .....
First, prospective immigrants need only concern on where he/she's most likely to get sponsored. Everything else comes distant 2nd. For prospective __skills based H1-B__ immigrant(s) CA is still a safe choice to get sponsored.

"CA is expensive" is almost a non-issue if the primary concern is to get sponsored and land a job.
I'm a dual citizen (Irish/USA) so I don't need to go through all of that.

So I can pretty much take my pick.

I've been in a few parts of the US, and europe. From what I can see, Ireland is anaemic, the Sun Belt of the US seems fairly vibrant, the Rust belt is depressing. Haven't seen much beyond that.
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Old 2013-01-25, 02:38   Link #25933
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They all want "someone else" to do it. Back in the 80s/90s, a lot of companies understood they had to grow engineers. Then the accountants took over.
That isn't just in the US. Today if you teach yourself how to operate and run a server, and how to debug it but you don't have a degree in Computer Science, you don't qualify.

I wouldn't put it as "the accountants took over", but rather "logically handicapped morons took over". I am a technician, and I am teaching new ENGINEERING MANAGERS-IN-TRAINING from SK how do home appliances work. When I asked "What engineering degree do you have? Electrical or Mechanical?", they told me that they aren't engineering graduates.

And they get paid more than me, have a higher corporate rank, yet they don't even know what a bloody magnetron is and why it is dangerous to open a microwave up outside of a workshop without proper gear. Sometimes it even amazes me why do they get a place telling me what to do when they don't even know the most basic science behind everyday electronics.
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Old 2013-01-25, 03:05   Link #25934
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Well, what I meant about the accountants taking over was that people who weren't engineers swamped the management ranks and all they see is cost. They don't want to train a tech person how to write assembly, let some other company do that. They don't want to have to train a EE how to read high power circuit diagrams unique to their sector, let the "other companies" do that.

First thing you know, you have a lot of degree graduates who can't find jobs because all the companies have decided to cost-shift the seasoning of tech personnel to "someone else". Then they can't find "qualified candidates" and bray for H-1Bs like little jackasses.

In my book, no company should be given an H1-B waiver unless they can show they hire new grads and have in-house training programs


If you look at Texas, try to focus on the Austin region for quality of life - Dallas is tolerable though it sprawls. Houston is a dystopian cancer (and I mean that literally - the air can catch on fire and the lightning comes in colors), no zoning (literally dumpyards next to churches next to strip bars next to pig farms next to homes) and no urban growth boundary so its like an onion with inner layers of rot.

And that's me being objective about the place.
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Old 2013-01-25, 03:25   Link #25935
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I think the problem is that a lot of companies don't understand the concept of "human capital". What makes one corporation more competitive then another is the people within it. If a company fosters and improves it's people, it will become greater.

I think this thinking goes back pretty far though, at least to Ford. Under Fordian Mass Production, the people are just standardised interchangeable parts. All the intelligence is in the machines, and the people aren't expected to think at all. For the skilled personnel, they all had to specialise and fit a single predefined role, and never move outside it. It's not an efficient way to do things, as the entire organisation becomes super compartmentalized and inflexible.

It's that same attitude that demands exact parameters of incoming employees. They want an employee that exactly fits into their industrial system, and that's really a big ask. A better attitude would be to advertise for a skilled engineer, and give them a few months to research what they need to know. Maybe attend a short local university course. Because if they're going to be that anal about their job descriptions, they'll never be able to fill their positions, and they'll miss out on a lot of good talent who have everything but the exact knowledge they need. Good engineers are able to pick things up quickly, they don't need to be so ridiculously specialised.

But a lot of people still haven't gotten the memo that you have to invest in people to make a successful business.

One thing I'll say of the best Japanese companies, is that they don't tend to go in for these shenanigans. They train engineers from the ground up. All you need is a good attitude and good academic record to get a job at one of them. (the downside is that it's more difficult to transfer into them mid career)
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Old 2013-01-25, 04:37   Link #25936
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The thing is that the EU is much more than just a trade union. Ask Japan if they want to open their borders to any Chinese that wants to enter, no questions asked. Or if they want to subsidize Chinese infrastructure, agriculture and industry. If they want to guarantee for Chinese bonds. If they want to give up on the Yen and lose total control over their own currency. EU and Euro memberships come with a lot of downsides for everyone involved.
The thing you are describing are Schengen and Euro zone, it's not european union as you can be part of schengen without being part of EU.
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Old 2013-01-25, 05:00   Link #25937
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What part exactly?
Every EU citizen can enter and work freely in e.g. the UK, even if they are not part of Schengen. The only difference is that the UK can do passport controls, unlike when you travel from e.g. Denmark to Sweden. Subsidizing also has nothing to do with the Euro - all EU members pay into the big pot out of which the subsidies are then paid. True, giving up your currency is de facto not enforced at the moment, but it is required by every existing and new member to join the Euro zone once it meets the goals, the U.K. and Denmark being the only exceptions to that rule. Guarantees come in several forms not limited to the Euro membership.
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Old 2013-01-25, 05:21   Link #25938
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It's exactly as you say, UK has no control on its border for european citizen, as such it's still has control of its border for no european citizen, schengen is a region for no european citizen, I misread your first text since I just woke up.

Though the difference between Euro zone and European union is fundamental, since the crisis we are undergoing is from the former. European Union holds well, the problem comes from Euro zone, and it's where you understand that a no regulation economy is kind of foolish, the idea at first was really good and supported by many economist, but ten years later, it's obvious that "weak" country like Greece Italia etc that from the beginning had no straightened economy could only fell once losing their economical sovereignty.

Now the solution comes from reforming the Euro zone, problem is to reform the euro zone which has 17 members, you need the autorisation of the 27 others EU members.

And that's why UK has slowly began to piss me off since some year, it's the sole one saying "No" at each reforms.
And don't get me wrong as I said before they have the right and the politicians must protects the strong point they have, that is the financial sector.
But if they truly want to have only the good points without bad points, they can leave, the earlier the better, as I said yesterday, we lost years because of them.

The whole situation could be an anime, UK is the main hero, Europe is the osananajimi, and US is the new transfer students. Both are yandere so careful if you choose the other, and there's no harem ending possible.
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Old 2013-01-25, 08:41   Link #25939
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North Korea threatens war with South over U.N. sanctions
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...90O0AJ20130125
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Old 2013-01-25, 11:04   Link #25940
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What Europeans think of the EU


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How negative is British public opinion toward the European Union? It’s pretty grim: according to the most recent Eurobarometer survey, from May 2011, more Brits believe that the European Union is bad for their country than those who think it’s a good thing. In every other country in the union – even Greece! – poll respondents were more likely to call EU membership good for their country.
To give you a sense of just how deeply Euro-skeptical the U.K. has become, I’ve mapped out the Eurobarometer data, which you can see at the top of this page. For the data, I took the percentage of poll respondents who call EU membership “good for their country” and subtracted the percentage who say membership is bad. The U.K., again, is the only country with a negative outcome. Every other country seems to at least grudgingly accept that membership is worth the costs, with respondents in several countries endorsing it by a wide margin.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-dont-like-it/
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