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Old 2013-04-09, 17:44   Link #27421
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But are they true Scotsmen?
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Old 2013-04-09, 20:17   Link #27422
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True or not, Scotsmen are in uproar today. Margaret Thatcher, former British Prime Minister, has died.

Guardian
Telegraph

Even a cursory glance on the headlines reveal the storm unleashed. No one spares the punches as Lady Thatcher's corpse is simultaneously pissed on and embalmed in glory (both metaphorically, sadly).

It's frankly refreshing. Public figures of this monumental political importance deserve to have their legacy thoroughly engaged, and none of that right honorable "civilized" decorum nonsense we've got here in the United-we-are-all-created-equal-States that ended up making marbled heroes of controversial men.
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Old 2013-04-09, 21:31   Link #27423
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I still think the Japanese could pull off an prequel for Girls und Panzer with Margaret Thatcher (or Roberts at that time) and Queen Elizabeth II in their Upper School days in tanks during the Second World War. I mean they were both teenagers during the war. The Queen (well Princess Elizabeth at that time) was even made Colonel-in-Chief of a unit that had Armour in it in 1942.
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Old 2013-04-09, 22:08   Link #27424
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It's frankly refreshing. Public figures of this monumental political importance deserve to have their legacy thoroughly engaged, and none of that right honorable "civilized" decorum nonsense we've got here in the United-we-are-all-created-equal-States that ended up making marbled heroes of controversial men.
More like the Iron Lady was probably the most controversial figure from that era, with only the Russians possibly getting close.
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Old 2013-04-10, 00:07   Link #27425
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^ The eighties (based on my research and knowledge) were very tough times. Aside from the Falklands, which is controversial enough in and of itself, the economic reforms she put in place helped the country position itself for the following upswing.

I feel like this kind of stuff happens once every several decades depending on the government involved. Canada for example would've been in a much worse situation for decades to come had Brian Mulroney and his government not put GST in place. The question is when will it come now during this era of financial crisis

/rambling comment about whether our society has progressed enough to make use of the technology known as "fiat currencies","fractional reserve banking"and"liquid debt capital markets" or are we doomed simply due to the failures present in humankind .. irrationality, emotion and lack of self-restraint
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Old 2013-04-10, 05:26   Link #27426
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FBI probes trading as KPMG quits Herbalife, Skechers audits
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Old 2013-04-11, 06:15   Link #27427
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ECB: German households less wealthy than Cypriots

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BRUSSELS - Luxembourg tops the ranking of Europe’s wealthiest households followed by Cyprus while Germany is at the bottom, according to a survey report released by the European Central Bank on Tuesday (9 April).

The survey spans 15 member states and looked at, among other things, the median net wealth of 62,000 households.
http://euobserver.com/economic/119751
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Old 2013-04-11, 06:36   Link #27428
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U.S., others boycott Serbian politician's "inflammatory" U.N. session
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The United States boycotted as "inflammatory" a meeting on international justice on Wednesday organized by a Serbian politician who heads the U.N. General Assembly - a session some nations say was intended merely to complain about the treatment of Serbs in war crimes tribunals.
European and other Western nations have said Wednesday's session on international justice was a thinly veiled attempt to attack the international war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, which Serbia has criticized. Jordan and Canada joined the United States in boycotting the debate.
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Old 2013-04-11, 21:10   Link #27429
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Bitcoin Will Spiral Up and Down Forever

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Tim Lee makes what is I think the strongest case for Bitcoin, arguing that it's not just a fad, it's a disruptive technology that can serve as a platform for improving on the world's generally clunky and unpleasant payment system. The reason the payment system rarely seems to improve is that there are massive barriers to entry into it, because the nature of the banking system is that it needs a lot of security and regulation. But with Bitcoin "[b]ecause transactions are authenticated cryptographically and cannot be reversed, there’s no need to restrict access to the network," so the network can experience robust competition and rapid innovation.

He says we should think of this like PCs in 1978. People dismissed them as a random curiosity, and it's true that the PCs of 1978 were not meant for the mass market. But enthusiasts and tinkerers were able to write more and better software, driving more and better demand for computers over the years.
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Old 2013-04-12, 01:00   Link #27430
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The wait is nearly over for thousands of readers eager to get their hands on the new novel by celebrated Japanese novelist Haruki Murakami.

At least one major bookstore in Tokyo is flinging open its doors at midnight to cater to the demands of the most dedicated fans of the surrealist, craving their latest fix of one of modern literature’s most talked-about authors.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/1...urakami-novel/
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Old 2013-04-12, 05:49   Link #27431
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Russia warns U.S. on human rights law, seeks to limit damage
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Old 2013-04-12, 14:40   Link #27432
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True or not, Scotsmen are in uproar today. Margaret Thatcher, former British Prime Minister, has died.

Guardian
Telegraph

Even a cursory glance on the headlines reveal the storm unleashed. No one spares the punches as Lady Thatcher's corpse is simultaneously pissed on and embalmed in glory (both metaphorically, sadly).

It's frankly refreshing. Public figures of this monumental political importance deserve to have their legacy thoroughly engaged, and none of that right honorable "civilized" decorum nonsense we've got here in the United-we-are-all-created-equal-States that ended up making marbled heroes of controversial men.
i read some of the stories on British news sites and i am amaze at the vitriol form the left for a politician that hasn't been in office for over 20 years. I know some of her policies were not popular but that was over 30 years ago.
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Old 2013-04-12, 16:01   Link #27433
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i read some of the stories on British news sites and i am amaze at the vitriol form the left for a politician that hasn't been in office for over 20 years. I know some of her policies were not popular but that was over 30 years ago.
The Brits are fun, no?

Don't forget that the Right is just as willing to blow up every little act of disapproval into a grand conspiracy of filthy working class chavs throwing shit at their betters (Daily Star: "MARGARET THATCHER HATER HAD NHS BOOB JOB").

The tabloids there are really fun. Best of all unlike our dear Fox News they have the decency not to pretend to be anything else. No "fair and balanced" bullshit that makes you want to firebomb their headquarters.

Although curiously the Daily Mail, a rightwing stalwart of...impressive...reputation, isn't above cashing in on the Thatcher-hatestorm: something something NHS plot*.

*In actuality, she "only" managed to reform minor aspects of the NHS system. Perhaps she knew touching it more than she did would send Britain straight into a full scale revolution. For all the vitriol the Right throws at the NHS, Britain loves national healthcare, for very good reasons that can be reinforced at will just by looking over the Atlantic at what's happening in a certain uncivilized hellhole.

Although unlike willx, I hardly think Thatcher was such a wonderful economist. If public UK industries were under deep inefficiencies that really, really needed to be cleaned out, then privatization certainly didn't fix it (quite the opposite, services suffered, prices went up, the common people left out of the looting, etc.).
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Old 2013-04-12, 17:45   Link #27434
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i read some of the stories on British news sites and i am amaze at the vitriol form the left for a politician that hasn't been in office for over 20 years. I know some of her policies were not popular but that was over 30 years ago.
Some of her administrations policies permanently changed the country and could not be reversed, like the deindustrialization and privatizations. People who are from parts of the UK that still suffer from those policies today tend not to have warm feelings for Thatcher.
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Old 2013-04-12, 19:17   Link #27435
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Although unlike willx, I hardly think Thatcher was such a wonderful economist. If public UK industries were under deep inefficiencies that really, really needed to be cleaned out, then privatization certainly didn't fix it (quite the opposite, services suffered, prices went up, the common people left out of the looting, etc.).
if the privatization couldn't keep those industries up then thatcher didn't so much as kill those industry as she relieve the public the cost of keep zombie industries alive.

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Some of her administrations policies permanently changed the country and could not be reversed, like the deindustrialization and privatizations. People who are from parts of the UK that still suffer from those policies today tend not to have warm feelings for Thatcher.
i think those people are blaming the messenger, if those industries in the 1980s couldn't compete without the government pouring in money to keep it afloat, it would have been kill by globalization in 90s.
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Old 2013-04-12, 19:28   Link #27436
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Brazil says new 4G mobile band not ready for World Cup
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93A0EW20130411

Fleet Weeks a casualty of federal sequester
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93B10X20130412

Congressman who made North Korea nuclear comment opposes missile defense cuts
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...93B14D20130412
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Old 2013-04-12, 20:52   Link #27437
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if the privatization couldn't keep those industries up then thatcher didn't so much as kill those industry as she relieve the public the cost of keep zombie industries alive.
Railroads are still around; Council houses are still around.

They just suck now.

Maybe the great coal mines couldn't be saved [in fact they most definitely couldn't have been saved], but a lot of essential utilities were sold in the 80's privatization craze. Combined with the deregulation craze, which we all know what came of it eventually, history has not been...kind...to the results.

And frankly the 90's boom at least in the US is all from the computer revolution, not because these industries happened to start running more efficiently (well they did...because of computers).
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Old 2013-04-13, 04:17   Link #27438
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if the privatization couldn't keep those industries up then thatcher didn't so much as kill those industry as she relieve the public the cost of keep zombie industries alive.

i think those people are blaming the messenger, if those industries in the 1980s couldn't compete without the government pouring in money to keep it afloat, it would have been kill by globalization in 90s.
It was a different time. The steel industry, the car manufacturers, shipbuilding and engineering were all sectors that, in most countries, were partially government owned, protected or subsidized. There is no telling what investments would have done. However cutting them lose in that environment at that time was simply a death sentence. As Irenicus wrote, it wasn't until the 90s when new business practices and ICT turned many older less efficient industries around.

Shutting down non-viable industries like the mines makes economic sense, however it is common practice to support new investments in the affected geographical area to support employment. That didn't happen, a whole generation in the north grew up with little in the way of employment opportunities.

Strategic political considerations, more than economic ones, were the driving force behind those policies. The most affected industries had powerful unions which were the backbone of the Labour party. Political power was transferred from local councils to the national level, as they were another traditional seat of Labour power. Selling council houses cheaply to the residents was a bribe to change their political loyalties.

On the whole the Thatcher administration's legacy is mixed. The south benefited from the deregulation as the city of London became an important financial center but at the expense of much of the countries industrial base and increased inequality. In terms of politics it was very successful as the political landscape was completely changed. Labour changed from a left wing party in to a center right clone of the Democrats. She wasn't joking that she saw Blair's new Labor as her most important legacy. It's not surprising that traditional leftists are still furious about being marginalized.
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Old 2013-04-13, 18:33   Link #27439
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Virginia Mall Shooter Apparently Announced Crime in Advance on 4chan:

"The man arrested today in connection to the shooting of two women at a suburban
Virginia mall may have announced his crime minutes in advance on the 4chan
message board."

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http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...-mall-shooter/
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Old 2013-04-13, 18:45   Link #27440
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Russia bars 18 Americans in retaliation for Magnitsky List
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