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Old 2013-05-20, 13:11   Link #28501
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An old adage is to not talk about religion or politics. But since politics canbe fun to talk about, we do it anyway. Religion on the other hand tends to be more personal.
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Old 2013-05-20, 13:18   Link #28502
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An old adage is to not talk about religion or politics. But since politics canbe fun to talk about, we do it anyway. Religion on the other hand tends to be more personal.


I actually discuss politics like this in real life.
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Old 2013-05-20, 13:22   Link #28503
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Yeah, that's how you do it.
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Old 2013-05-20, 13:43   Link #28504
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Tell that to elected politicians who actually pass laws mandating pi = 3 because "the Bible said so". Tell that to legislative attempts to teach young earth creationism. You're defending the wrong thing. Perhaps you missed the point.

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"And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." (1 Kings 7:23)

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Given all the illogical assertions you use to prove that "science" is the sole true fact, I have to say we'll never agree on the issue.
I love the way you use "quotes", but that doesn't actually work in debate. It helps when you address the points being made with something relevant to the discussion. My point with that example - when people cling to beliefs that actually do harm (to themselves or others), they are malfunctioning.

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Can't dispute that. But when it comes to ethics, things become grey. Where to draw the line between right and wrong, what is the basis for moral decision-making, is morality relative at all times — these are wrenching questions for most people.
Not disputing that either. As long as people can defend an ethical view with reasoning better than "I said so." or "Because it's always been that way." or the view doesn't actually harm others, they're generally on safer ground.
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Old 2013-05-20, 16:11   Link #28505
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Religion on the other hand tends to be more personal.
Please? Let's not fight....
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Old 2013-05-20, 16:22   Link #28506
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I don't really know why this thread went down the "Science vs. Religion" sort of path, but let's go back to discussing the actual News Stories. That's what this thread is for. I realize that sometimes these issues are at the core, but let's not get embroiled into entrenched debates that won't get anyone anywhere.
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Old 2013-05-20, 20:12   Link #28507
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Tornado on the ground in Oklahoma City area
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94J0SJ20130520

Oklahoma Medical Examiner's office says tornado death toll rises to 51 people
http://live.reuters.com/Event/Oklahoma_Tornado
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Old 2013-05-20, 20:34   Link #28508
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That's called deception, like a certain Whitehouse email that was maliciously edited to make Obama look bad.
Deception is not the only way to make knowledge harmful, there's also a thing called information manipulation where you do give out the right information, but you worded it as such to drive the information reciever toward a certain state(fear, supportive).

It's a common technique usually used by tabloid writer actually, to make a small incident into something worthy of being covered in 2-3 pages articles

For example, let's consider an oil company stock which goes down in price due to oil price temporary correction. One article write it as "company A stock price goes down because of temporary oil price correction", while the other write it as "decreasing oil price cause company A stock price to plummet". Both article technically give out the right information(and knowledge), but the second article worded it as such so that less knowledgable people might went into panic and sold company A price because they expect the price of oil to keep going down.

IMO, this is also why the trustworthiness of knowledge source is also as important as the knowledge itself in a lot of case.
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Old 2013-05-20, 22:19   Link #28509
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So you think you had a bad day?

Maybe you could have had a worse one...like this guy after the tornado.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=dCbhnPfEvF8

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Old 2013-05-21, 04:46   Link #28510
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Apple, Congress spar over taxes ahead of Tuesday hearing
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94J0U320130520
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Using an unusual global tax structure, Apple Inc (AAPL.O) has kept billions of dollars in profits in Irish subsidiaries to pay little or no taxes to any government, a Senate report on the company's offshore tax structure said on Monday.
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Old 2013-05-21, 07:54   Link #28511
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As if Apple is the only company to do that. I guess you can call it unusual if you take every tax payer into consideration, but it's probably a fairly common big business tactic.
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Old 2013-05-21, 08:22   Link #28512
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Apple, Congress spar over taxes ahead of Tuesday hearing
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94J0U320130520
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As if Apple is the only company to do that. I guess you can call it unusual if you take every tax payer into consideration, but it's probably a fairly common big business tactic.
Actually, if you take a closer look, the article reads that the Cork, Ireland HoldCo received ~$30BN in dividends from its European operating subsidiaries. This article makes it seem like Apple pays zero taxes, which is deceiving, as each of its operating subs had paid taxes on its profits (not accounting transfer pricing) before being able to pay dividends to Ireland HoldCo.

Now, if the funds stay in Ireland HoldCo and are not repatriated to U.S. HoldCo, then why should U.S. HoldCo pay any U.S. taxes? Not to say there isn't further funny business going on not covered by that article, but it fails to lay out a compelling argument for revisiting the tax code on this fact set alone..
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Old 2013-05-21, 08:43   Link #28513
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As if Apple is the only company to do that. I guess you can call it unusual if you take every tax payer into consideration, but it's probably a fairly common big business tactic.
Two things are special about Apple: 1) They're high-profile and 2) they spend little to nothing on campaign donations nor lobbying in the government. Make of that what you will.
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Old 2013-05-21, 09:40   Link #28514
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Two things are special about Apple: 1) They're high-profile and 2) they spend little to nothing on campaign donations nor lobbying in the government. Make of that what you will.
Actually, the whole thing is Bush's fault.

What happen is Apple has over 37 billion overseas, when you bring your revenue home, you need to pay an repatriation tax.

However, Bush did something dramatically stupid, he decided to have an "Tax Holiday." (Which led into a FLOOD of dollars dashing home) So like a bunch of 10 years olds, the big Corps now wait, whine, and wail and hope for the next Tax holiday....

The other problem is NOT Bush's fault. Debt is Tax deductible. So of course it is cheaper for them to issue debt rather than pickup that cash pile in China.
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Old 2013-05-21, 11:26   Link #28515
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Apple is unusually effective even for tech firms at using differences in tax-systems between countries to reduce their total tax burden:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/bu...d-nations.html

and

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...wich.html?_r=0
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Old 2013-05-21, 18:55   Link #28516
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New York City seeing spike in anti-gay crime, officials say
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94K1AS20130521

Pentagon wants $450M for Guantanamo prison
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/penta...ntanamo-prison
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Old 2013-05-22, 04:56   Link #28517
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TW releases GPS log of fishing boat to refute PHL claim

http://m.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/201...-publishes.htm

Yea... That's not remotely close to their territorial water, archipelegic or not.

Meanwhile PHL continue to refuse to release video recording of the shooting. I can't think of a good reason for it other than it being self-incriminatory, and they're hoping to delay it as long as possible, hoping it will blow over.
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Old 2013-05-22, 09:21   Link #28518
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^ That and I'm pretty sure no military or police force would ever release video of their actions if they had a choice. Even if it wasn't so controversial and it was all above board .. people will always find reasons to criticize. That's generally how the world works.
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Old 2013-05-22, 09:45   Link #28519
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Sweden's capital hit by worst riots in years
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...94L0CH20130522
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Old 2013-05-22, 10:08   Link #28520
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http://www.economist.com/blogs/schum...ments#comments

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For its part Apple, which holds more than $100 billion of cash abroad, is likely to get further scrutiny. In his testimony, Mr Cook will call for an overhaul of the tax regime in America to encourage companies to repatriate more money.
Oh, I was right! They are waiting for the next big corporate bonanza!

Bush really screwed America for this one...
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