AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > General > General Chat

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2013-07-10, 07:51   Link #29341
Shay
Monarch Programmer
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Liverpool
Age: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by GDB View Post
It's one thing when countries spy on other countries, but as ArchmageXin said, the main issue is that they're spying on their own citizens. That's 1984 Orwellian shit right there, and it is not acceptable.
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

USA/UK - 'We need to spy on you for your own protection. We're at war. Only believe what we tell you as the rest is all propaganda'

It is funny because even though we know what is happening, we’re willing to except it all and nothing will ever change.
Shay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 09:43   Link #29342
Lightning_Wing
1.048596
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Location?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shay View Post
War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

USA/UK - 'We need to spy on you for your own protection. We're at war. Only believe what we tell you as the rest is all propaganda'

It is funny because even though we know what is happening, we’re willing to except it all and nothing will ever change.
Wasn't that the point of Orwell's 1984? That even if a few people were upset, it wouldn't stop anything?
__________________
Lightning_Wing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 15:54   Link #29343
maplehurry
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf View Post
The last time I checked, spying is usually something that, you know, takes place in secret?

I mean, would it still be spying if I politely knocked on your door, informed you that I would be tapping your phone and kindly requested that you sign a consent form for me to listen in on your conversation?
Cool... so what is it you are going to call it now that it has been revealed ?
maplehurry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 15:54   Link #29344
SeijiSensei
AS Oji-kun
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mucking about
Age: 64
Undertexter subtitle translation site raided by police

Quote:
Undertexter had provided fan-made translations of film and TV show dialogue, which could be merged with video files to provide on-screen text.

A spokesman for the police told the BBC they had acted after investigating a complaint by copyright holders.

Undertexter's managers insisted they had not broken the law.

Critics have suggested the raid marked an escalation in Hollywood's efforts to protect its intellectual property.

However, the Rights Alliance - the organisation that prompted the police to act - said it was not the first case of its kind in Europe.
I suspect we are not talking about anime here, but live-action movies and television shows.
__________________
SeijiSensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 15:57   Link #29345
NorthernFallout
Return
*Author
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Frosty Scandinavia
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeijiSensei View Post
I suspect we are not talking about anime here, but live-action movies and television shows.
Yes. Basically, just sub files for live-action movies and shows. No copyright material at all.

Swedish Copyright Agenda Police at its finest. Swedish PP and some media are on the case.
__________________

Steam: ax/apocnuke | LET'S ROCK
NorthernFallout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 17:42   Link #29346
ganbaru
books-eater youkai
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity
Washington vilified on both sides of Egypt's divide
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9690S820130710
At least both side agree on something
__________________

ganbaru is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 17:49   Link #29347
KiraYamatoFan
Banned
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
Age: 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by ganbaru View Post
Washington vilified on both sides of Egypt's divide
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...9690S820130710
At least both side agree on something
Meh. They can go ahead and vilify everyone while they're at it. It's not anyone's fault but theirs for being in the hole in their own country every time.
KiraYamatoFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 18:13   Link #29348
TinyRedLeaf
. . .
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by maplehurry View Post
Cool... so what is it you are going to call it now that it has been revealed ?
A massive embarrassment?

What would you call security cameras in plain view in every street and public building? Spying or surveillance?


That is not a rhetorical question, by the way, because that is effectively the case in Singapore. And it's the main reason the alleged child abuse by a pre-school teacher was revealed — a CCTV camera in every public room of the childcare centre to monitor the activities of teachers and pupils alike.
TinyRedLeaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 19:33   Link #29349
Urzu 7
Juanita/Kiteless
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: New England
Age: 30
Wife ordered a hit from a hit man on her husband because 'it would be easier than divorce'

[Video in link]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rel...-1226677054310

Quote:
CHILLING video has emerged of a young wife trying to hire a hit man to murder her husband because it was 'easier than divorcing' him.

Julia Charlene Merfeld, 20, of Michigan in the US, has pleaded guilty to soliciting the murder of her 27-year-old husband.

An undercover police officer posing as a hit man secretly filmed two videos of Merfeld as they negotiated the killing while sitting in a car.

At one point Merfeld explains that in her opinion, murder would be "easier than divorcing" - she wouldn't have to worry about her family's judgment or "breaking his heart" if he was killed.

Both videos were played in court yesterday.

Police allege Merfeld wanted her husband's $400,000 life insurance policy and promised to pay $50,000 for the hit.

She will be sentenced on July 30.

She is a piece of trash.
__________________
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic38963_5.gif
Urzu 7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 19:53   Link #29350
GDB
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Age: 28
Quote:
Police allege Merfeld wanted her husband's $400,000 life insurance policy and promised to pay $50,000 for the hit.
This is it right here. It had nothing to do with not being judged by her family, and obviously nothing about "sparing the husbands feelings". She was greedy and wanted money.
GDB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 19:58   Link #29351
Urzu 7
Juanita/Kiteless
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: New England
Age: 30
I can't believe how low she is. She has no real sense of morals.
__________________
http://forums.animesuki.com/images/as.icon/signaturepics/sigpic38963_5.gif
Urzu 7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-10, 20:36   Link #29352
ganbaru
books-eater youkai
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity
Quote:
Originally Posted by Urzu 7 View Post
Wife ordered a hit from a hit man on her husband because 'it would be easier than divorce'

[Video in link]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/rel...-1226677054310




She is a piece of trash.
I guess than there's plenty of way ''easier than divorce'', suicide and jail time to name 2 of them..
__________________

ganbaru is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-11, 01:16   Link #29353
Lord of Fire
The Voice of Reason
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Netherlands
Age: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by ganbaru View Post
I guess than there's plenty of way ''easier than divorce'', suicide and jail time to name 2 of them..
Well, she'll probably be getting that jail time soon enough.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernFallout View Post
Yes. Basically, just sub files for live-action movies and shows. No copyright material at all.

Swedish Copyright Agenda Police at its finest. Swedish PP and some media are on the case.
According to some, even subtitles are copyrighted, and this would thus be a breach of copyright, like translating a book into another language is also breach of copyright (see the case of the boy who translated the Harry Potter books in his own language, and got J.K. Rowling after him for violating her copyright).

The industry argues that they can't get a foothold in places where fansubs are rampant, because no one will want their (paid) stuff anymore. I don't personally agree, but the industry doesn't care what I think.
__________________
Lord of Fire is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-11, 01:57   Link #29354
Shay
Monarch Programmer
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Liverpool
Age: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightning_Wing View Post
Wasn't that the point of Orwell's 1984? That even if a few people were upset, it wouldn't stop anything?
Yeah, one of them. But Orwell didn't account for the internet, which we now have. But it still doesn't matter. Continuous war does the trick. 2 + 2 = 5!
Shay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-11, 02:34   Link #29355
NorthernFallout
Return
*Author
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Frosty Scandinavia
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of Fire View Post
According to some, even subtitles are copyrighted, and this would thus be a breach of copyright, like translating a book into another language is also breach of copyright (see the case of the boy who translated the Harry Potter books in his own language, and got J.K. Rowling after him for violating her copyright).

The industry argues that they can't get a foothold in places where fansubs are rampant, because no one will want their (paid) stuff anymore. I don't personally agree, but the industry doesn't care what I think.
You might very well be right. AFAIK, there is nothing in Swedish law actually saying that, though... but this wouldn't be the first time anyway.

Though translating a book and providing subs for a movie isn't the same thing IMO. The translation of the book is an entire book in itself. If you read that, you don't need the original book. The subs aren't the movie itself, just an additional file.

'Course, it's the copyright industry, so none of that matters.
__________________

Steam: ax/apocnuke | LET'S ROCK
NorthernFallout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-11, 05:39   Link #29356
SeijiSensei
AS Oji-kun
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Mucking about
Age: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthernFallout View Post
You might very well be right. AFAIK, there is nothing in Swedish law actually saying that, though... but this wouldn't be the first time anyway.
The article reports a different view on the state of Swedish law:
Quote:
The national co-ordinator of the intellectual property crime division at the Swedish Police Service said that it had carried out the raid after tracking computers using Undertexter's internet addresses to buildings in Stockholm and Helsingborg.

"Our copyright law doesn't allow people to make a transcript from a film that is copyright-protected without the copyright owner's permission and certainly not to make it public," said Paul Pinter.
The article also mentioned the fact that the site had a lot of advertising, which suggested it was earning money off the subtitles being distributed.
__________________
SeijiSensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-11, 08:33   Link #29357
ganbaru
books-eater youkai
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity
More Chinese cities likely to curb auto sales: industry group
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96A06E20130711

China security ministry says GSK executives confess to economic crimes
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96A07O20130711
__________________

ganbaru is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-11, 09:12   Link #29358
GDB
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord of Fire View Post
According to some, even subtitles are copyrighted, and this would thus be a breach of copyright, like translating a book into another language is also breach of copyright (see the case of the boy who translated the Harry Potter books in his own language, and got J.K. Rowling after him for violating her copyright).
To be fair, a book is literally just words. Subtitles, on the other hand, is like a screen-play script without any directing. It's missing audio and visual which make up the whole package. In other words, they're fracking stupid.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SeijiSensei View Post
The article also mentioned the fact that the site had a lot of advertising, which suggested it was earning money off the subtitles being distributed.
Any lawyer with half a brain will get that charge dismissed. Technically, the payments would be for mere visits. Whether subtitles were downloaded is inconsequential to the ads generating revenue.
GDB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-11, 15:28   Link #29359
NorthernFallout
Return
*Author
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Frosty Scandinavia
Age: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by SeijiSensei View Post
The article reports a different view on the state of Swedish law:
Well then. Time to update myself and do some proper research next time.
__________________

Steam: ax/apocnuke | LET'S ROCK
NorthernFallout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2013-07-11, 21:41   Link #29360
ganbaru
books-eater youkai
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Betweem wisdom and insanity
Texas abortion restrictions headed for approval in state Senate
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96A10J20130711

North Dakota clinic is on front lines of abortion-rights battle
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96A12420130711
__________________

ganbaru is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
current affairs, discussion, international, news

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:43.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.