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Old 2014-01-30, 04:26   Link #32701
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I'll say that it really depends on who you ask. And to me, it's sad if younger Singaporeans feel that Singapore isn't flourishing when you guys have so many more opportunities than I had when I was your age, be it in terms of education or jobs.

But at the same time, I can also understand the frustration, in terms of the higher cost of living, the crowded trains, the congested roads, the pervasiveness of foreigners who seem to be squeezing us out of our own country.

As for your anger at the shut-up-and-follow culture, all I can say is that it's really for your generation to change it. The future is for you to inherit and shape according to your view. It already is changing. The attendance of the Pink Dot Festival last year exceeded 20,000. Meanwhile, the law has been changed to give judges more discretion when adjudicating capital offences that provide for death penalties. As a country, we are loosening up.

Can it be faster? Well, if this week's Institute of Policy Studies report is anything to go by, I'm afraid not. Most Singaporeans are still conservative.

Sure, you could legislate change. Force it down people's throats. Decriminalise homosexuality. Pass a law tomorrow making same-sex marriage legal. Do all these, because you feel that it's the "right" thing to do.

But if an elected government does all of that against the wishes of the majority, how is it any different from a real dictatorship?

You want change? Well, you must then speak up for it, and speak persuasively enough to carry the ground. Don't blame people for not siding with you. The fault lies instead with you for not coming up with a sufficiently persuasive argument to make them change.

That, I'm afraid, is how democracy works.


That's a valid point. I won't dispute it.

Actually....that's not it. The older generations....those in their late 20s and early 30s as well as those in their 50s (the Vietnam War era people) are more outspoken and open generally vs those below 21 now. The people coming out of JCs and polys are even more closeminded than people of my age group and above. And surprisingly this is more true of those in the education institutes where openness is by rights more valued than anywhere else. It's quite disconcerting to see if everything is going to slide backwards when the 2000 generation takes over. Thus when I say not flourishing, I don't mean meaningless things like congestion or even the immigration problem. I mean more of culturally. The soul of the country so to speak. It feels lethargic and not as vibrant as it could be.

You can say they are young, they will change, after learning and seeing more outside and that's true.....But sometimes I also think it's a bit too optimistic. The views built during your formative years don't easily change if you don't willingly step outside into a more dynamic environment.
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Old 2014-01-30, 08:40   Link #32702
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Then again, the current PRC, founded by massive destruction of its own culture, would be kinda hypocritical to cite them IMO.
Very true. But social memory is, unfortunately, very short. The current generation of young Chinese no longer have a direct, personal connection with the Cultural Revolution, which reviled everything ancient as backward feudalism, including Confucianism. It means that young Chinese today won't see the hypocrisy the way their parents would.

But then again, the social compact between people and government has changed dramatically since Deng Xiaoping's "southern tour". And that in turn means that Beijing has learnt its lesson. The top leaders now rely on economic metrics to derive their political legitimacy, and not on patriotic speeches. The way Bo Xilai was so swiftly and dramatically toppled is an indication of this. It showed that Beijing would never ever again allow a personality cult to develop, especially one built on so-called "Maoist" ideals.

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Actually....that's not it. The older generations....those in their late 20s and early 30s as well as those in their 50s (the Vietnam War era people) are more outspoken and open generally vs those below 21 now. The people coming out of JCs and polys are even more closeminded than people of my age group and above. And surprisingly this is more true of those in the education institutes where openness is by rights more valued than anywhere else. It's quite disconcerting to see if everything is going to slide backwards when the 2000 generation takes over. Thus when I say not flourishing, I don't mean meaningless things like congestion or even the immigration problem. I mean more of culturally. The soul of the country so to speak. It feels lethargic and not as vibrant as it could be.
That is indeed a great worry. From all the vehemence and vitriol I see online, at the usual places like TOC and TRS, I would expect to see more young people step up to challenge authority figures at forums and meet-the-people sessions.

Instead, all I ever hear are meek non-questions or, worse, awkward silence.

On the one hand, it confirms my suspicion that all the furious chatter online is nothing more then people venting their frustrations. When confronted with hard truths, most Singaporeans, young and old, would fall back on common sense and accept the sober policies presented to them by the government.

On the other hand, I feel that many of Singapore's young are just plain cowards. They argue with gusto only when they're anonymous and only when they think they won't be held accountable to what they say. I see this every time I try to approach someone on the street for their comments or reactions to the news of the day. Nine out of 10 people would refuse to speak on the record.

If young Singaporeans aren't willing to speak up for the change they want, then they really have no one but themselves to blame when things stay stuck in a funk.
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Old 2014-01-30, 08:52   Link #32703
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There's no denying that 2012 was a "colourful" year.

But there's a very important difference between saying Singapore leaders have questionable integrity and some Singapore leaders may have questionable integrity.

Loose use of language is what gets you invited to a friendly chat over a cup of tea at a cosy New Bridge Road office.
Since you have accused me of "loose use of language", I shall quote the ancient Chinese here : 上樑不正下樑歪.

Considering these are high profile cases, how do we know that their subordinates are not as crooked as them? Since a director of the graft watchdog himself is corrupt, how the agency itself watch over other government bodies' corruption?

Hence the shadow of doubt casted over the regulars in the civil service. Even our conscripts have shown more integrity than their superiors.

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By new law with regard to publications, I presume you're referring to registration requirements for online news sites? If so, first of all, the regulations for websites aren't new — all Singapore-registered websites had been covered under the Broadcasting Act for more than 10 years.

The only two new requirements are for news sites that hit a stable size in terms of reach and readership to put up a $50,000 performance bond — which doesn't need to be in cash, a banker's guarantee would suffice — and to comply with requests to take down content within 24 hours. And the kind of content is defined as those deemed objectionable to public order and morality, the kind of stuff that any reasonable news editor would most likely agree not to publish in the first place, for example, pornography, sex advertisements, racial-hate speech, and graphic violence.

How can anyone prevent "ugly news" from spreading too quickly nowadays? Our leaders aren't anywhere near that foolish. I'd agree that most of them aren't adept with social media — neither am I, and I'm only half a generation younger than them. But to suggest that they're trying to suppress bad news is a naive over-statement. The bad news will circulate, and SGAG or Mr Brown will continue to have field days spoofing any number of government gaffes, and our leaders will just have to accept it as part-and-parcel of public life.
What I meant by ugly news is that anything that is unpleasant to the image of our country and their government is heavily monitored and controlled so as to "save face". Engineering 101 teaches that, if you don't want to do damage control, do a 1x good one.

That is what our leaders aren't doing. Ranging from public transport breakdown to getting our wages diluted (I admit it is partially our own fault), combined with corrupt civil servants, they are resting on their laurels and crushing them. An image takes years to build and they are just letting it go just like that?

Also, our leader had proven himself as a complete moron in front of the country, or rather, the world, with such statements about the internet.

That is what the internet is - freedom of thought and discussion. That is the downside to it with so much freedom around, people take the liberty to air their views, be it the lack of information or not. The open nature allows people to exchange thoughts and ideas freely, people can choose what they want to believe.

We already have a set of rules, he should just check Rule 38, 39 and 40. Oh yes, and Rule 20. So how do we salvage our image as a technologically adept and confident metropolis?

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What must be addressed robustly at all times is misinformation based on factual error. To report, for example, that the recent unrest in Little India is a race riot when it most clearly is not. When such mis-reporting is not confronted as swiftly and as sternly as possible, the "news" will spread, and pretty soon, everyone will assume it's true. If the authorities don't challenge the story, what else can it imply?
You don't have to fight all wars. True to the fact that misinformation due to factual error must be clarified, dealing such swiftly and sternly will only result in bad press about hard-handed approaches. The letter is considered a gentle nudge, but openly blasting blogs and social media, then threatening them with lawsuits is not the way to go; it would be seen as an attempt to cover up, or to save face.

Given the spate of social discontent rising (mainly the disappearance of job security and infrastructure breakdown), the focus should be spent off the internet fixing problems, not on the internet bitch-slapping anyone who says something bad about the government.

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I'll say that it really depends on who you ask. And to me, it's sad if younger Singaporeans feel that Singapore isn't flourishing when you guys have so many more opportunities than I had when I was your age, be it in terms of education or jobs.

But at the same time, I can also understand the frustration, in terms of the higher cost of living, the crowded trains, the congested roads, the pervasiveness of foreigners who seem to be squeezing us out of our own country.

As for your anger at the shut-up-and-follow culture, all I can say is that it's really for your generation to change it. The future is for you to inherit and shape according to your view. It already is changing. The attendance of the Pink Dot Festival last year exceeded 20,000. Meanwhile, the law has been changed to give judges more discretion when adjudicating capital offences that provide for death penalties. As a country, we are loosening up.
That be correct, however, given the risk adverse attitude inculcated in our current generation by their parents, I would have to agree with CE that our generation, or rather, the generation after mine (90s), tend to be inclined towards submission and stability rather than a form of aggressive pursuit for success.

Sure we have more opportunities, but are our younger generation sticking their head out to even look for it?

Personally, I use the phrase "My box is bigger than your comfort zone" when it comes to dealing with people who claim to "think outside the box" but not acting on initiative at work; I still see most of my younger colleagues (including my clients' staff) being unable to grasp the fact that a higher salary can only be achieved by undertaking greater responsibility at work through initiative. Rather, they are avoiding work, shirking responsibilities, and refusing to step over over-waged graduate newbies with no work experience to get things done.

Sometimes I wonder if a temporary anarchism is the way to go; considering the fact that most of our parents lived through stuff like the Malayan Emergency and the British withdrawal from Singapore. If there is opportunity in chaos, those opportunities may be more glaring with a little unrest.

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And they have every right to, considering the Chinese culture is one of the very few remaining continuous tradition since the ancient times. Greece and Egypt couldn't claim the same, with its segmented disjoints in hereditary and tradition.

Then again, the current PRC, founded by massive destruction of its own culture, would be kinda hypocritical to cite them IMO.
Whatever works to draw attention to themselves. Highlighting good points spreads alot of influence.
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Old 2014-01-30, 09:55   Link #32704
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Ukrainian president takes sick leave amid crisis
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...01-30-09-25-54

African Union summit ponders violent conflicts
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/afric...-meet-ethiopia
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Old 2014-01-30, 14:04   Link #32705
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Woman dies as escalator catches her scarf on Montreal Metro

I am scared of escalators now.
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Old 2014-01-30, 17:28   Link #32706
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"When she bent over to try to get the scarf out, her hair was also caught."
ouch...definitely not the way i'd want to go. always remember to be careful of your surrounding
and take the stair if possible (not like the stairs gonna be any safer either).
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Old 2014-01-31, 02:02   Link #32707
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Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says


Ahhh... I didn't know the firefighters had to be "dispatched first" to save someone.
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Old 2014-01-31, 02:45   Link #32708
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Man dies after firefighters won't cross street to help, daughter says


Ahhh... I didn't know the firefighters had to be "dispatched first" to save someone.
it was a probationary firefighter.

if the words of the Head of the Firefighter Union is anything to go by, the probationary period is definitely over.
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Old 2014-01-31, 03:16   Link #32709
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Had my shoelace caught in an escalator when I was about 10 years old, it was terrifying.
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Old 2014-01-31, 06:32   Link #32710
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Yeah, escalators are dangerous sometimes. There's a couple of cases here where crocs (the shoes) got caught in them. A kid lost his toe I think.
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Old 2014-01-31, 08:24   Link #32711
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Old 2014-01-31, 13:04   Link #32712
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Yeah, escalators are dangerous sometimes. There's a couple of cases here where crocs (the shoes) got caught in them. A kid lost his toe I think.
Falling on an escalator is not new here in our place as well, though it's rare, it happens at times. Kind of scary.
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Old 2014-01-31, 13:10   Link #32713
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Horrific head on collision Instantly kills four
Passing in the snow at that sort of speed doesn't seem too wise...
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Old 2014-01-31, 13:41   Link #32714
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^ people does it a lot of the time. i can't count on how many impatient drivers trying
to cut thru my lane and driving unsafely. if the driver in front of him/her even hit
the brake a tiny bits, they would have gone BOOOOMMM and die. *sigh*
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Horrific head on collision Instantly kills four

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i wonder if things would have been differently if the driver was
driving safely and slower; he might would have avoided such accident.

i can't dread this enough and impatient drivers, but drive safely people.
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Old 2014-01-31, 14:12   Link #32715
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Boulder smashes through Italian farm

Sorry for the owner of the farm but the pics in there are impressive.
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Old 2014-02-01, 06:03   Link #32716
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Japanese cyclist to pay 47m yen ($459,000) over fatal crash

Well I believe that if cyclist want equal rights as motorist they need to have equal liabilities but 1/2 million, ouch
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Old 2014-02-01, 07:49   Link #32717
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Boulder smashes through Italian farm

Sorry for the owner of the farm but the pics in there are impressive.
Holy shit, I'd love to have seen a video of that. That's incredible.
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Old 2014-02-01, 14:54   Link #32718
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Old 2014-02-02, 14:27   Link #32719
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This is really sad.

Philip Seymour Hoffman dead at 46

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Award-winning actor Philip Seymour Hoffman, who was found dead in his apartment in New York City on Sunday, died of an apparent drug overdose, a New York city police source said.

The source said Hoffman was found dead in his Manhattan apartment after a 911 emergency call from a friend of his. The source gave no further details.

Hoffman won the Academy Award for Best Actor for the 2005 biographical film Capote, and received three Academy Award nominations as Best Supporting Actor.
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Old 2014-02-02, 15:04   Link #32720
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That was too young. Damn. R.I.P. Maybe I should watch more movies from him. I can only remember Capote starring him.
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