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Old 2014-08-18, 05:41   Link #34561
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Old 2014-08-18, 09:10   Link #34562
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Ferguson protests: National Guard sent to Missouri unrest

Well that went well.

If the authorities just deployed normal police and riot police and not their heavily armed SWAT (I'm not against them having that heavy equipment, it looks cool, only use it for the right circumstances like a heavily armed wanted gunmen and terrorists.......possibly future zombies) in the first place, they wouldn't have deal with a riot gone worse.
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Old 2014-08-19, 08:04   Link #34563
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Old 2014-08-19, 10:38   Link #34564
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Ferguson protests: National Guard sent to Missouri unrest

Well that went well.

If the authorities just deployed normal police and riot police and not their heavily armed SWAT (I'm not against them having that heavy equipment, it looks cool, only use it for the right circumstances like a heavily armed wanted gunmen and terrorists.......possibly future zombies) in the first place, they wouldn't have deal with a riot gone
worse.
I doubt it. While it's no question that the terrible management by the police certainly aggravated the situation, I'd say most of the damage came from first their utterly idiotic attempt at concealing the officer's identity(safety my ass, it's not like they could've hid his identify forever, was he going to be magically safer then after people are even more pissed off?), and then the frankly amateur attempt at casting Brown in a negative light with the robbery allegation. True or not, that was a terrible time to do it, which was all the more obvious as they had to clarify almost immediately that the robbery was not a factor of him being stopped in the first place. It's quite something to see such disastrous PR management.

On the other hand, the protesters are hardly the champions of justice they purport themselves to be. It's one thing to say you're seeking justice, it's quite something else in practice if you've already decided on what happened, how it happened, who was at fault, and who should be punished, all before the investigation had barely even begun. It's a sentiment that's also echoed here in this thread by a few posters. People have already convicted the officer in their mind, despite ever only hearing one side's story, with no physical evidence, from a community that apparently does not have a very good relationship with their police department. That's not seeking justice, that's just seeking revenge.

IMO, that mindset, coupled with the poor management by the local police, is what touched this whole thing off. The initial heavy-handed tactics didn't help, but probably merely accelerated the inevitable - things were good for one night after the state police took over, but the looting and riot promptly returned the next day. There were actually some local residents who thought the lootings weren't a bad thing, as if destroying other innocent people's livelihood is somehow "justice".

Really, the one thing that could've prevented this whole thing are cameras. It is frankly mind-boggling how few police departments require dash and body cams. Not only can the presence of cameras help to temper the actions and conducts of both the officers and whomever they're interacting with, it also offers solid physical recording of what happens in every incident
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Old 2014-08-19, 10:55   Link #34565
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Really, the one thing that could've prevented this whole thing are cameras. It is frankly mind-boggling how few police departments require dash and body cams. Not only can the presence of cameras help to temper the actions and conducts of both the officers and whomever they're interacting with, it also offers solid physical recording of what happens in every incident
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/14/us/ferguson-dashcams/

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Old 2014-08-19, 12:27   Link #34566
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I have to call BS on that one, that's about blatant an excuse as they come. $3k to install a simple dash cam? What are they putting in, diamond-crusted cameras installed by Joe's Rip-off Stereo Shop?

Hell, they can just go to Walmart (or just order online, delivered straight to their front door) and buy some GoPros and have all their cruisers fitted with a camera for less than the cost of a single one of their 3k camera.

If they can have the funds to buy armored vehicles for a 50-man department, they can find the money for a few GoPros if they really wanted to have cameras. Problem is, many departments still has that backward mentality of not liking the idea of being recorded, even though it'd help them just as much as everyone else. The money that will be saved just from being able to avoid a single settlement would dwarf the cost of camera systems by orders of magnitudes.
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Old 2014-08-19, 12:48   Link #34567
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If they can have the funds to buy armored vehicles for a 50-man department, they can find the money for a few GoPros if they really wanted to have cameras.
Isn't the money for that from the DHS and earmarked for, well, armored vehicles and such? All in the name of fighting terrorism.

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Old 2014-08-19, 13:38   Link #34568
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Isn't the money for that from and DHS and earmarked for, well, armored vehicles and such? All in the name of fighting terrorism.
That's an interesting question. It turns out the DHS has paid for dashboard cameras for the police cars in Midland, Michigan:
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The current system cost $120,000 and was secured through a federal Homeland Security grant. It resulted in 22 cameras being placed in patrol vehicles belonging to both the city department and Midland County Sheriff's Office, Block said.

Though it is a hefty upfront cost, Block said it was to pay for the entire system, including the server, DVD burner, installation and actual cameras.
Here the cost was over $5,000 per camera installed.

I'm not surprised it costs this much. Security hardware always carries a premium price tag. It's not just the military that overpay for the stuff they buy. As with DOD procurement, everyone sees prices like these as normal in the security business. Still
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The Hampton Township Police Department has had dash cams for more than 10 years, with the most recent system installed within the last five at a cost of $3,500, according to Lt. Michael Wedding. The cameras are in all seven patrol vehicles.
So this department did it for $500 per vehicle. Given this was an upgrade, they probably already had a server and DVD burner like Midland bought. The article doesn't say how Hampton's system was funded. I bet it came from local property taxes though, or maybe a private grant. If the money had come from DHS, it would have been a lot more than $500 each.

As for whether the police favor these systems, the evidence from Midland was positive:
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Midland Police Sgt. Jeff Seger seconded his chief's assessment, saying the cameras have been good for officers, as the footage they've captured has disproven some citizens' complaints of misconduct, depicted drunken driving suspects' sobriety tests and captured traffic violations as they occurred.
We tend to forget that the police might benefit from having their lawful and orderly behavior recorded when it comes to defending their reputations. Not having video evidence of the encounter in Ferguson just encourages the imaginations of people on both sides.

A lieutenant in Hampton told the reporter
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"I think the chief (Gerald Runde) one time made a mention that like 92 percent of the cases usually turn out in the officers' favor when they have a video, 6 percent go either way, and 2 percent of the time the cop gets burned. I 100-percent believe in [the cameras]."

[The lieutenant] said the recordings have helped in criminal cases as well; for instance, footage has depicted suspected drunken drivers making admissions to their inebriation. "They're great too when we go in on domestics," he continued. "Some of the girls, they'll change their story and say 'I didn't say that to the officer.' Oh yes, you did.

"I think they're more good for us than bad."
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Old 2014-08-19, 18:05   Link #34569
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James Foley: American Journalist James Wright Foley Beheaded in New ISIS Video [Breaking News]

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James Wright Foley, an American journalist kidnapped in 2012, was beheaded in an ISIS video released on Tuesday, August 19.

The video is titled “A Message to America.”

A figure in a black robe with a gun strapped on his person and a masked hat covering his face, apart from his eyes, appears in the video next to Foley.

In the video, the Islamic State says that U.S. President Barack Obama’s authorization of strikes against the group places the United States “upon a slippery slope towards a new war front against Muslims,” according to BNO.

“Any attempt by you, Obama, to deny Muslims liberty & safety under the Islamic caliphate, will result in the bloodshed of your people,” the ISIS person added.

Foley also speaks in the video, saying: “I call on my friends, family members and loved ones to rise up against my real killers, the U.S. government.”

Foley vanished in northwest Syria on Thanksgiving Day, November 22, in 2012.

Before that, he had reported independently from the Middle East for about five years, according to the Free James Foley website. Foley was 40 years old.

National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said in the first official U.S. reaction to the video: “We have seen a video that purports to be the murder of U.S. citizen James Foley by ISIS. The intelligence community is working as quickly as possible to determine its authenticity. If genuine, we are appalled by the brutal murder of an innocent American journalist and express our deepest condolences to his family and friends. We will provide more information when it is available.”

The video was later taken down by YouTube for violation of its policies.

Foley’s parents told AFP last year that they were still hoping for his safe return.

But there was little indication where Foley had been until the video appeared on Tuesday. ”We haven’t been contacted by anybody asking for anything. No ransom requests,” father John Foley told AFP at the time.

“We’re staying very hopeful,” mother Diane Foley said. “We’re hearing many rumors but no facts at this point. We’ve just a very strong feeling that Jim is alive.”

Foley was one of an estimated dozens of journalists missing in Syria’s civil war.

While the government in Damascus has long turned a blind eye to the Islamic State’s expansion in Syria — in some cases even facilitating its offensive against mainstream rebels — the group’s rapid march on towns and villages in northern and eastern Syria is now threatening to overturn recent gains by government forces.

While Islamic State militants have so far concentrated their attacks against the Western-backed fighters seeking to topple Assad, they have in the past month carried out a major onslaught against Syrian army facilities in northeastern Syria, capturing and slaughtering hundreds of Syrian soldiers and pro-government militiamen in the process.

On Monday, Islamic State fighters were closing in on the last government-held army base in the northeastern Raqqa province, the Tabqa air base, prompting at least 16 Syrian government airstrikes in the area in an attempt to halt their advance.

In the northern city of Aleppo, there is a sense of impending defeat among mainstream rebels as Islamic militants systematically routed them last week in towns and villages only a few kilometers (miles) north of the city. An Islamic State takeover of rebel-held parts of Aleppo also would be disastrous for Syrian government troops who have been gaining ground in the city in past months.

“I think they (Syrian government) are finally realizing that their Machiavellian strategy of working with the Islamic State group against the moderates did not work so well, and so they have started to fight it,” said Andrew Tabler, a senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

But in hitting hard against the Islamic State group, Assad has another motive. His aerial bombardment of militant strongholds in Syria in a way mirrors that of the U.S. military’s airstrikes against extremists across the border in Iraq.

Analysts say Assad’s strikes aim at sending a message that he is on the same side as the Americans, reinforcing the Syrian government’s longstanding claim that it is a partner in the fight against terrorism and a counterbalance to extremists. That comes after the U.S. itself nearly bombed Syria after it blamed Assad’s forces for a chemical weapons attack on rebel-held areas near Damascus last August.

“Assad would surely love to regain international acceptance via a ‘war on terror’ and maybe that is his long-term plan, in so far as he has one,” Syria analyst Aron Lund said.

Even while going against the Islamic State in Iraq, U.S. officials have shown little appetite for striking at the same militants in Syria.

Asked about Syrian government airstrikes targeting the militants, State Department Deputy Spokeswoman Marie Harf rejected the notion that Washington and Damascus are “on the same page” in their fight against the Islamic State as a common enemy.

“While we may be looking at some of the same targets, I think the fact … that the Assad regime has allowed ISIS to flourish and grow in the way it has is really one of the main reasons they have grown so strong,” she said, using one of the acronyms for the Islamic State.

Most of all, however, Assad can simply no longer afford to ignore the growing threat of the Islamic State now that it has started attacking his own forces.

Since July, following their blitz in Iraq and after they declared a self-styled caliphate straddling the Iraq-Syria border, Islamic State fighters have methodically gone after isolated government bases in northern and eastern Syria, killing and decapitating army commanders and pro-government militiamen.

The attacks started with a devastating onslaught on the al-Shaer gas field in Homs province in which more than 270 Syrian soldiers, security guards and workers were killed. Last month, the jihadis overran the sprawling Division 17 military base in Raqqa province, killing at least 85 soldiers. Two weeks later, Islamic State fighters seized the nearby Brigade 93 base after days of heavy fighting.

They now are closing in on Tabqa air base. Activists on Monday reported intense clashes between government troops and Islamic State fighters on the edge of the villages of Ajil and Khazna near Tabqa. The Raqqa Media Center, an activist collective, said the Islamic State captured four villages near the air base, including Ajil.

“They will stop at nothing. If things continue the same way it’s only a matter of time before the Islamic State seizes Aleppo,” said Abu Thabet, an Aleppo rebel commander. He said the jihadis were now looking to take the rebel stronghold of Marea, to be followed by the Bab al-Salama border crossing with Turkey, which would be a major prize and source of money.

Oubai Shahbandar, a Washington-based senior strategist for the Western-backed opposition Syrian National Coalition group, called Assad’s airstrikes against the Islamic States superficial, saying the Western-backed rebels were the only force truly confronting the jihadis.

He also shrugged off any suggestion that Assad and the West share a common enemy in the Islamic State group.

“The choice for the West is clear,” he said. “Assad turned Syria into a springboard for terror, while the opposition leads the anti-Islamic State resistance.”
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Old 2014-08-19, 19:49   Link #34570
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Normally I'm a pretty tolerant fellow, live and let live and all that. But these toss pots that go around doing things like that make a good case for glassing the region.
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Old 2014-08-19, 20:17   Link #34571
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Yeah....

....It is things like that that make glassing the place seem like a reasonable option.
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Old 2014-08-19, 20:37   Link #34572
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It's one of these times when it would be right to wipe some people off the face of the Earth after they revoked themselves the right to be called human beings through their actions. They are worse than the lowest of animals.
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Old 2014-08-19, 21:53   Link #34573
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Meanwhile, just another day of American police assaulting citizens military style and refusing to be held accountable.

County will not pay medical bills for toddler hurt in Habersham raid

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Bounkham Phonesavah, affectionately known as "Baby Boo Boo," spent weeks in a burn unit after a SWAT team's flash grenade exploded near his face. The toddler was just 19-months-old and asleep in the early morning hours of May 28. SWAT officers threw the device into his home while executing a search warrant for a drug suspect.

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“But at this point, the county is refusing to pay,” said attorney Muwali Davis.
Habersham County’s attorney provided the following statement, saying: "The question before the board was whether it is legally permitted to pay these expenses. After consideration of this question following advice of counsel, the board of commissioners has concluded that it would be in violation of the law for it to do so."

~snip~ (and here's the really facepalmy part)

The SWAT team did not find the person it was looking for in the home.
Screw your "laws". Your para-military police threw an explosive device (a flash-bang) into a toddler's crib. HIS CRIB! Do the right thing and pay up.

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Old 2014-08-19, 22:08   Link #34574
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So they are not legally permitted to pay the expenses? So paying them would be illegal for the county?
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Old 2014-08-19, 23:06   Link #34575
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So they are not legally permitted to pay the expenses? So paying them would be illegal for the county?
I'm thinking they are saying that so they won't have to pay. In their eyes, paying the expenses says "guilty" and will probably leave them wide open for a slam dunk civil suit. It's better for them to try and force the hand of the parents (who are most likely pretty poor) to move out of state to pay for an attorney, that they can't afford.

...and rather than say these things (which the county can't), they say "Yeah, we can't pay these expenses because it's against our law." Yeah right. If this so called law even exists, I'd be very interested to see what it says and when it was written.

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Old 2014-08-19, 23:26   Link #34576
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Just disgusting. A number of authorities in the US can shove their laws up where the sun doesn't shine for all that I care after stories like that.
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Old 2014-08-19, 23:29   Link #34577
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Fatah says Hamas placed its activists under house arrest during Gaza war:

"Fatah officials say the rival Hamas movement has placed scores of Fatah activists in Gaza under
house arrest during the Gaza war and has shot several in the legs for not staying indoors."

See:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/1.611150


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Israeli security service says it arrested Hamas operatives, thwarted West Bank coup
attempt:


"Israel's Shin Bet security service says it has thwarted a Hamas coup attempt in the West Bank,
though it provided few details.

The service says that it arrested more than 90 Hamas operatives in an alleged plot to carry out
attacks against Jews and wrest control from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas."

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http://www.usnews.com/news/world/art...-teen-killings


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Israel attacks Gaza targets after rockets fired, recalls Cairo negotiators:

"Israel launched attacks in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday and recalled its negotiators from truce talks
in Cairo after saying three Palestinian rockets had hit southern Israel, hours before a ceasefire
was due to expire."

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0GJ1DJ20140819
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Old 2014-08-19, 23:46   Link #34578
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I'm thinking they are saying that so they won't have to pay. In their eyes, paying the expenses says "guilty" and will probably leave them wide open for a slam dunk civil suit. It's better for them to try and force the hand of the parents (who are most likely pretty poor) to move out of state to pay for an attorney, that they can't afford.

...and rather than say these things (which the county can't), they say "Yeah, we can't pay these expenses because it's against our law." Yeah right. If this so called law even exists, I'd be very interested to see what it says and when it was written.

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Just disgusting. A number of authorities in the US can shove their laws up where the sun doesn't shine for all that I care after stories like that.
Hmm, it's hard to say. From what I can see it seems the family has already filed lawsuit against the county (and who wouldn't? it's a slam dunk win/settlement), in which case paying for the bill would likely be detrimental to their case, which may be where the legal issue arises.

I'm not an expert on municipal laws regarding things like this, but I'm fairly certain they aren't required to pay when the legal proceedings are still under way, you can't exactly ask for an advance when the case have not yet been decided in your favor.
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Old 2014-08-20, 10:49   Link #34579
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If they filed suit before the county said they wouldn't pay, then I agree with kyp. That's 100% the reason they aren't paying.
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Old 2014-08-20, 16:19   Link #34580
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I realize you want to talk about the execution of the journalist, but that video can't be posted here. Feel free to discuss it, but if people want to see it (and I really recommend they don't), they can use a search engine.
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