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Old 2011-02-28, 16:24   Link #12221
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But not being there is? Weird.
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Old 2011-02-28, 16:26   Link #12222
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They probably had a set of backroom deals where the Democrats are rewarded to support Walker. But probably that union-busting was the last straw and they walked out of him BOTH to avoid trouble and to avoid insomnia.
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Old 2011-02-28, 16:27   Link #12223
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It's a pointless delay. Eventually they'll have to come back lest their positions or respect be diminished. I guess it's more of a show of extreme lack of support for the bill(?) at hand.
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Old 2011-02-28, 16:48   Link #12224
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I think this is a serious time for US because they messed up their finances big time.

Firstly, Obama's stimulus plan gave the money to the wrong people : companies instead of the people. In hard times, the companies will use it to finance fixed assets and liabilities, which has a higher risk-return ratio than current assets and liabilities. And labour/employment is from the latter (for those of you who know finance, it might be easier to understand this. For those who don't, google "Current Liabilities").

Secondly, the medical program is so heavily outsourced that the big pharmacies are running them - giving them the ability to ask for any amount of money they want from the government to make themselves richer. None of that money is going to the people.

Thirdly, they are still financing Iraq. FFS they have OIL MONEY. Why the fuck is US still funneling cash into them?
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Old 2011-02-28, 18:46   Link #12225
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Those Senators not being there mean the body does not have a quorum a thus cannot hold the vote at all. Leaving the state puts them out of range of state troopers that can drag them back to their jobs.

I would point out that there are a lot of people that think that the unions of today are not what they once were. The first clause of the union is that you will pay your dues. They are more like legal mafia to some people, more concerned out the money the Union gets than the workers it represents. Also they tend to force the workers to earn less money when they go on strike for a pay raise by the matter of the workers not getting paid while on the strike, and the raise not being able to cover the lost time in addition to the increase in the amount of dues needing to by paid to the Union after the strike ends. To cover legal fees and such. That and some companies have both union and non-union labor. When the union goes on strike to attempt to make more than the non-union people are getting, the non-union labor are forced to work overtime just to keep the business running.

So from a certain point of view, the Unions of today are not the Unions from 1900, and may cause more harm to labor than they help. This might not be true universally, but nearly all local instances seem this way.
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Old 2011-02-28, 19:01   Link #12226
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Old 2011-02-28, 20:22   Link #12227
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Wisconsin's Walker to absent Democrats: 24 hours to return

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(Reuters) - Wisconsin's Republican Gov. Scott Walker said on Monday that absent senate Democrats have 24 hours to return and vote on a measure to reduce the power of public sector unions or the state will miss out on opportunity to refinance its debt.

"Now they have one day to return to work before the state loses out on the chance to refinance debt, saving taxpayers $165 million this fiscal year," Walker's spokesman Cullen Werwie said in a statement.

"Failure to return to work and cast their votes will lead to more painful and aggressive spending cuts in the very near future," the statement said.

Walker's budget proposal has sparked nationwide protests from labor unions who fear it could be a harbinger of things to come in other states. To balance the state's budget, Walker wants to require public sector employees to pay more for pensions and health care, and to strip their unions of bargaining rights except for wages up to the rate of inflation.

The measure has passed the state Assembly but is stalled in the Senate because the 14 Democrats have fled the state to avoid a vote.

Under Walker's proposal, Wisconsin's general obligation bonds would be restructured and that would push debt service payments due by March 15 into future years to save the current state budget $165 million. The deadline is because it takes a couple of weeks for the state to prepare to go to the bond market and implement the refinancing before the payment is due on March 15.

In a separate interview broadcast on Sunday, Walker said he hoped to delay sending layoff notices to state workers if the legislature makes progress on fixing the budget deficit, according to website wispolitics.com.

"It's not just a number. It's not just a budget," Walker said, on "UpFront with Mike Gousha," a statewide TV news magazine. "It's ultimately a real person with a real family, so I'm going to push that back as far as I can."

But to postpone the layoffs, Walker said that it will be necessary that his budget repair bill, including the move to end collective bargaining, go into effect by April 1.

Walker also said that he would propose a new budget on Tuesday that cuts $1 billion to state aid for schools and local governments.

There has been speculation that Walker would send out layoff notices to more than 1,000 state workers if no progress was made soon on the budget.
man i was close... here's my last week's prediction

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...ostcount=12144



also... every state which has a nightmarishly messed up debt has huge problems trying to fund its exponentially-expanding union-employee pension fund. Nearly all are blue states, go figure. It will soon be the job of every worker in the state's sole purpose to pay taxes to fund people who retire at 2/3 or better pay for life after 20 years of employment

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Old 2011-02-28, 20:52   Link #12228
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Ms Alliot-Marie, the only woman ever to reach the post of Foreign Secretary in France, regularly accepted hospitality in Tunisia before pro-democracy campaigners ousted Ben Ali in January.
After using a private jet owned by one of Ben Ali’s business associates over Christmas she admitted owning a stake in one of his companies.
Within days of the so-called Jasmine Revolution starting in Tunisia, Ms Alliot-Marie suggested sending French riot police to help crush it. She also wanted to send teargas to the country to help disperse protesters.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...p-Ben-Ali.html
what planet was she living in?
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Old 2011-02-28, 23:45   Link #12229
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what planet was she living in?
I don't think than she was the only french official than was talking about supporting mesure for the Ben Ali's regime...
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Old 2011-03-01, 01:42   Link #12230
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Let he who has never supported tyranny throw the first stone. (Not the first, or only, tyranny we've supported, either. Won't be the last. Heck, if they end up with another kleptocracy, we'll no doubt support that, too.)

The thing is, she just didn't see the revolution coming. Nobody did. At the time, it looked just like another doomed protest.
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Old 2011-03-01, 05:04   Link #12231
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Let he who has never supported tyranny throw the first stone. (Not the first, or only, tyranny we've supported, either. Won't be the last. Heck, if they end up with another kleptocracy, we'll no doubt support that, too.)
then again, what are the alternatives ?
the west didn't put men like Mubarak, Gaddafi, and the like in power.
these are the leaders that those praticular cultures have produced, and those are the ones you have to deal with.

you can't just go around trying to overthrow every dictator on earth, without people calling you out for trying to enforce your way of life on everyone.
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Old 2011-03-01, 05:47   Link #12232
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you can't just go around trying to overthrow every dictator on earth, without people calling you out for trying to enforce your way of life on everyone.
The US and other "influential" countries have been meddling in other nations for decades. It was the US that supplied weapons during Iran-Contra. It was the US who supported dictators in South America. It was the US who helped Saddam rise to power. The list goes on.

Political leaders, and their private and public support, might thump their chests about the virtues of freedom and democracy but they don't always practice what they preach. They'll look the other way if it is in their personal or national interest.
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Old 2011-03-01, 05:55   Link #12233
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The US and other "influential" countries have been meddling in other nations for decades. It was the US that supplied weapons during Iran-Contra. It was the US who supported dictators in South America. It was the US who helped Saddam rise to power. The list goes on.
everything you just named is a case of the US supporting existing regimes, not creating new ones. (although there have been cases of that as well)

meddling in other nations affairs and installing your own leadership in those countries is not the same.

besides, countries have no friends, only interests.
and its the job of the elected leader of the US or any other democracy to serve the interests of his country first and foremost.
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Old 2011-03-01, 06:26   Link #12234
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The US and other "influential" countries have been meddling in other nations for decades. It was the US that supplied weapons during Iran-Contra. It was the US who supported dictators in South America. It was the US who helped Saddam rise to power. The list goes on.

Political leaders, and their private and public support, might thump their chests about the virtues of freedom and democracy but they don't always practice what they preach. They'll look the other way if it is in their personal or national interest.
Sometimes what they do actually does make the world a better place. Between the 1960s and 2000, they have

1. Stopped the Mideast from becoming a religious hotspot and put the entire world's oil supply at sake (reinforcing Israel and stopping Iran with Iraq)

2. Clamped down on Communism in the SEA through arms supply, military advisory and cross-training (honestly speaking, I don't want to live in an oligarchic place. Neither do I want to be born there.)

3. Help develop the concept of moe that culminated in the creation of this forum.

When it comes to politics, most of the time it involves making a decision of the lesser of two evils. Sometimes the politician might even throw the pie of the window for the sake of personal beliefs and interest. Unlike a business where a win-win situation can be reached, in politics it is not just about profits and revenues, it is about showing-off as well.
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Old 2011-03-01, 09:45   Link #12235
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1. Stopped the Mideast from becoming a religious hotspot and put the entire world's oil supply at sake (reinforcing Israel and stopping Iran with Iraq).
Not sure about this one; at best they have slowed down the process or forced it to be underground.
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Old 2011-03-01, 11:46   Link #12236
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Not sure about this one; at best they have slowed down the process or forced it to be underground.
like i've said before.
in some cases, later is better then now.
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Old 2011-03-01, 12:39   Link #12237
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I think we discovered that the trouble with democracy in times like the Cold War, is that you cannot predict who you will be dealing with from election to election, thus you can't always keep a stable foreign policy to counter your "hated" rival(s). Plus there is the risk that your rival will manage to pull of a political campaign in a democracy to install a government-ecomonic structure of their liking via the people. Because as I've learned, Communism, when talked about in its ideal form, sounds really good to people. But in practise, it doesn't works as advertised, and tends to follow the line of democratically elected dictator, who continues to be elected...mainly via the one party system.
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Old 2011-03-01, 12:57   Link #12238
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like i've said before.
in some cases, later is better then now.
If it's part of a strategy: probably.
If it's just to lets the next guy in charge to deal with the problem: no !
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Old 2011-03-01, 13:30   Link #12239
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If it's part of a strategy: probably.
If it's just to lets the next guy in charge to deal with the problem: no !
and if its the only thing you can do against the inevitable ?
would it be wrong to try and postpone the worst from happening for a few more days, when you know that nothing can be done to prevent it ?

because make no mistake, the collapse of the current state of affairs in the Arab world and the rise of a new order of SOME sort is inevitable.
its a side effect of forcing a western perception onto an area that is simply not ready for it.
the middle east becoming a religious hotspot, and the rise of political Islam is not a new thing.
its the return of an old thing.
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Old 2011-03-01, 14:56   Link #12240
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and if its the only thing you can do against the inevitable ?
would it be wrong to try and postpone the worst from happening for a few more days, when you know that nothing can be done to prevent it ?

because make no mistake, the collapse of the current state of affairs in the Arab world and the rise of a new order of SOME sort is inevitable.
its a side effect of forcing a western perception onto an area that is simply not ready for it.
the middle east becoming a religious hotspot, and the rise of political Islam is not a new thing.
its the return of an old thing.
It is just like the old Ottoman or Persian empire where religious beliefs are enforced onto others. Then the Imams and secessionists try to wrest for control with each other by quoting bit and pieces from the Quran, destabilising the Sultans' rule.

Except that this time it might be with nukes and automatic firearms.
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