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Old 2011-03-17, 11:42   Link #12481
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Lots of people think Libertarian is too extreme. They also think Green is too extreme.

Thus the need for the slightly less extreme Progressives, since Republican and Democratic Parties tend to go as moderate as possible for votes when the results are in question.
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Old 2011-03-17, 12:06   Link #12482
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Perhaps its time to give the Libertarians a try?
read up on the government of the Confederate States of America on how a libertarian government would have work. I am not equating Libertarian with pro-slavery here. But a lot of what the Libertarians are advocating for the roles of the Federal government was already tried in the Confederate government.

You can look up further in America history during the period after Independence and Before the Adoption of the Constitution and the just useless the central government was back then and why guys like Washington, Jefferson and Adams eventually had the Constitution convention and America adopted the current form of government.
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Old 2011-03-17, 12:24   Link #12483
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read up on the government of the Confederate States of America on how a libertarian government would have work. I am not equating Libertarian with pro-slavery here. But a lot of what the Libertarians are advocating for the roles of the Federal government was already tried in the Confederate government.
It also turns out that libertarian ideology isn't very conducive to fighting wars.
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Old 2011-03-17, 12:32   Link #12484
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read up on the government of the Confederate States of America on how a libertarian government would have work. I am not equating Libertarian with pro-slavery here. But a lot of what the Libertarians are advocating for the roles of the Federal government was already tried in the Confederate government.

You can look up further in America history during the period after Independence and Before the Adoption of the Constitution and the just useless the central government was back then and why guys like Washington, Jefferson and Adams eventually had the Constitution convention and America adopted the current form of government.
I was referring to a Libertarian president and Liberal-economics not a full fledged Libertarian society.

The Confederacy had many pros and cons.
The cons outweighed the pros considerably which is why the constitution was radified.
However, we now are faced with a government that is quite frankly too large, overbloated, and expensive.
Thus we need leadership that is willing to cut spending and reduce the size of government to reign in the debt.
It is clear that a Libertarian president would be tempered by a congress comprised of Republicans and Democrats.
Therefore the "danger" of returning to the Confederacy is a myth created by big-government types and pro-socialist proponents.
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Old 2011-03-17, 12:46   Link #12485
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Thus we need leadership that is willing to cut spending and reduce the size of government to reign in the debt.
if you your leadership is willing to lose the next election, it won't matter if the are R/D/L/I, anyone form these groups can do it. the problems is anyone can say cut the budget and cut government but when the reals begin, it will go like this

Voter: "you can't cut that, that is important"



the problem isn't really the politicians, they are just symptom of the real problem, The Voters.
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Old 2011-03-17, 13:07   Link #12486
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US urges UN to approve Libya airstrikes, no-fly zone

Gadhafi administration warns of dire reprisals if foreign nations attack
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42124388...ica/?gt1=43001

This was the Arab Leagues idea. Let them go in first to deal with the situation. But have a carrier and the Europeans off the coast as backup for if things go badly. If this is an Muslim idea and carried out by Muslims...Iran and Libya can scream "Western Imperialists" and "Death to America" all they want...it won't be true in the slightest because it will be their own that are enforcing things in the air.
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Old 2011-03-17, 14:17   Link #12487
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However, we now are faced with a government that is quite frankly too large, overbloated, and expensive.
You realize of course the government didn't just become big for the hell of it, right? The government expanded out of necessity. Apart from waste and fraud, there isn't much that can really be cut these days, except the military if you want to strip the country's power projection capability and go with a force just sufficient for protecting the homeland. Of course that could lead to huge international problems.

Also, if I may over simplify things for a moment, the current debt comes from 3 major sources, the Bush tax cuts, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and economic stimulus programs. Cutting things isn't going to deal with that. At best you're talking a tiny fraction of the federal budget being reduced with these cuts. Remember that when Bush took office, we had a budget surplus. Under those conditions a tax cut, while a bit short sighted, isn't the worst thing in the world. However, keeping federal taxes at their lowest levels post WWII while fighting two wars was foolish at best. The wars and stimulus represent money already spent though. Cutting things isn't going to get it back. The correct solution is to take in more revenue. Of course this should wait until the economy has recovered a bit more, but a modest tax hike is going to be necessary to balance the budget. Not that a balanced budget is the end all, be all for governments.
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Old 2011-03-17, 14:29   Link #12488
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Old 2011-03-17, 14:44   Link #12489
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another symbolic bill passes...

Houses Passes Bill Stripping Federal Funding for NPR

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/npr-h...ry?id=13157489
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Old 2011-03-17, 14:53   Link #12490
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I seem to remember a lot of money/membership drives on KQED when I was growning up. I haven's seen one in a long, long time.
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Old 2011-03-17, 14:58   Link #12491
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another symbolic bill passes...

Houses Passes Bill Stripping Federal Funding for NPR

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/npr-h...ry?id=13157489
One more year of this high-strung politicking and President Obama is guaranteed a triumphant reelection...

...until 2014 rolls around, and the American people forgets, again.
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Old 2011-03-17, 15:00   Link #12492
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another symbolic bill passes...

Houses Passes Bill Stripping Federal Funding for NPR

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/npr-h...ry?id=13157489
yeah, that will certainly pay for two unfunded wars and enormous tax cut/welfare for the top 1%.... yup.

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Old 2011-03-17, 17:00   Link #12493
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yeah, that will certainly pay for two unfunded wars and enormous tax cut/welfare for the top 1%.... yup.
It's pocket change you can believe in.
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Old 2011-03-17, 17:27   Link #12494
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It's pocket change you can believe in.
Yup. I believe if my pockets had any less money in them, they'd start producing change with negative signs in front of the currency number.
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Old 2011-03-17, 17:35   Link #12495
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It's pocket change you can believe in.
Why? I don't believe people whose policies led to the disaster are credible much when they can't do basic math and they refuse to put most of the budget on the table -- which makes fluff moves like this just stupid. They're cutting tools for saving the middle class or creating a larger middle class (e.g. -> Pell Grants, Head-Start, information channels, etc) and pretty much just kowtowing to the plutocrat 400 who have raped the economy and nearly destroyed the community which allowed them to thrive.
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Old 2011-03-17, 18:02   Link #12496
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if you your leadership is willing to lose the next election, it won't matter if the are R/D/L/I, anyone form these groups can do it. the problems is anyone can say cut the budget and cut government but when the reals begin, it will go like this

Voter: "you can't cut that, that is important"



the problem isn't really the politicians, they are just symptom of the real problem, The Voters.
I don't think the voters are the problem.
The military industrial complex, the huge banking firms, the Unions, and other special interest groups are the problem.
The pie-chart on the left shows 5 areas that could be cut.
Social Security (it's broken, bankrupt, and on life-support), Medicaid & Medicare (same as social security), Welfare (should be replaced with a stronger version of Bill Clinton's Workfare) and unemployment should be shortened down to less than six-months, and the Militiary Industrial Complex (i.e. "defense").

With regard to "Defense."
First and foremost we need to end these endless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan immediately.
We're not winning in either front and aren't likely to gain anything by staying there.

Second we need to dismantle the private military industrial complex that gets us into these profit wars to begin with and put us back to pre-Cold War era levels of military spending.

We can still push for high-tech weapon systems and such, but we can do it without the huge corporations raping the tax payer in the process.

If we had a president willing to just start with that, then I think we'd see some progress towards ending the massive debt we have.
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Old 2011-03-17, 18:53   Link #12497
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Looks like the UN passed that resolution for a No-Fly Zone over Libya.
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Old 2011-03-17, 18:55   Link #12498
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I am an NPR/PBS fan yet understand need to save money so, I wouldn't be against a certain level of cuts.

But it came out the whole "Whistle blowing" on commie NPR whackjobs was a slander piece of edited film and Republicans are cowtowing to their base who likely never listen to or watch the service on regular basis.

And it isn't going to do crap for the budget, that's the real crime.

Social Security isn't going to be dealt with until guns are held to BOTH sides because the constituency that votes at highest rates is likely to be most adversely affected by Social Security cuts.
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Old 2011-03-17, 18:58   Link #12499
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Why? I don't believe people whose policies led to the disaster are credible much when they can't do basic math and they refuse to put most of the budget on the table -- which makes fluff moves like this just stupid. They're cutting tools for saving the middle class or creating a larger middle class (e.g. -> Pell Grants, Head-Start, information channels, etc) and pretty much just kowtowing to the plutocrat 400 who have raped the economy and nearly destroyed the community which allowed them to thrive.
Vexx, I understand what your saying in principle.

The problem is how do you prove that without relying on flimsy Huffington Post puffery?

What's more the general thought is, there is too much regulation and taxation of buisness including these large corporations, so we need to lessen taxes to create more jobs. It's seen as anti-capitalist and private enterprise to go after buisness people of any stature. (aside from the recent blowback towards the Banking industry)
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Old 2011-03-17, 19:04   Link #12500
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Looks like the UN passed that resolution for a No-Fly Zone over Libya.
Looks like it, and according to the BBC, airstrikes may be on the way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...ould_comm.html
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