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Old 2011-08-09, 05:07   Link #15561
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Oh look it's the 2005 Paris riots again, except this time its in London.
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Old 2011-08-09, 05:25   Link #15562
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PM Cameron just spoke:
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You will feel the full force of law, if you are old enough to commit the crime, you are old enough to receive punishment.
NINJA EDIT: Got the right name lol.
So when are they bringing in some German police?
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Old 2011-08-09, 06:13   Link #15563
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PM Gordon just spoke:
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You will feel the full force of law, if you are old enough to commit the crime, you are old enough to receive punishment.
If brown was still PM, this shit probably would never have happened. You need to know the current PM is a bit slow in everything.
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Old 2011-08-09, 06:19   Link #15564
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If brown was still PM, this shit probably would never have happened. You need to know the current PM is a bit slow in everything.
Oh my.... I meant Cameron not Gordon.... my bad, fixing it.

London riots: Looters stripping victims of even their clothes
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Old 2011-08-09, 06:53   Link #15565
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Russia describes Georgian leader as "pathological"
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...7773HM20110808
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Old 2011-08-09, 07:30   Link #15566
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So they don't want to stop these delinquents (and using that term is me being kind to them) from destroying shops, businesses, disrupt people's livelihood, because they don't want to get prosecuted? These kids are already criminals. They need to know the kind of suffering they're inflicting on others, and the fact that they're poor and have nothing is no excuse.
Oh you know how it is, those idiots that then start shouting "HUMAN RIGHTS, HUMAN RIGHTS!" for the criminals

If they used force to nip this in the butt a few days again we probably wouldn't be as far gone.

All these idiots really need to smacked down and that goes for the Parliment thats being recalled on Thursday, wtf is up with that?!

These yobs are responible for their own actions and they are criminals and should be treated as such be them kids or not.

I say screw em all and bring in the water cannons.
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Old 2011-08-09, 07:36   Link #15567
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I find it cool the way UK riot police look just like Roman legionaries (particularly the shields). Just replace Gladius with Batons. Very cool.

As for talk of the impending collapse of America, I'm not really afraid of America collapsing (or more probably declining), my main fear would be the collapse of Western Civilization as a whole. When the Roman Empire collapsed, it wasn't simply the state failing and splitting apart, it was the whole scale of collapse of society. All the water systems failed, Rome became a pasture for livestock. All the technological sophistication of the roman lifestyle was lost as technology regressed, and only returned to the roman standard 1000 years later.

My fear is that our own lifestyles are so ... dependent on modern infrastructure, organisation and technology, that if law and order broke down and society collapsed, billions would die and cities would be rendered into hulking mausoleums. Humanity would survive, but we'd be reduced back to the middle ages in technological terms. Almost no one knows how to build a computer from the ground up, we're all very dependent on what's come before, and it would be nigh impossible for us to restore something like as large and complex as the internet. The whole world is so interconnected that if one part fails sufficiently, the whole thing will go down.

I don't think we're at that stage though...
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Old 2011-08-09, 07:45   Link #15568
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I find it cool the way UK riot police look just like Roman legionaries (particularly the shields). Just replace Gladius with Batons. Very cool.
That's all they have going for them. They're not sufficiently trained in self-defence if at all, not to mention they focus more on containing them rather than actually trying to stop them.

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As for talk of the impending collapse of America, I'm not really afraid of America collapsing (or more probably declining), my main fear would be the collapse of Western Civilization as a whole. When the Roman Empire collapsed, it wasn't simply the state failing and splitting apart, it was the whole scale of collapse of society. All the water systems failed, Rome became a pasture for livestock. All the technological sophistication of the roman lifestyle was lost as technology regressed, and only returned to the roman standard 1000 years later.

My fear is that our own lifestyles are so ... dependent on modern infrastructure, organisation and technology, that if law and order broke down and society collapsed, billions would die and cities would be rendered into hulking mausoleums. Humanity would survive, but we'd be reduced back to the middle ages in technological terms. Almost no one knows how to build a computer from the ground up, we're all very dependent on what's come before, and it would be nigh impossible for us to restore something like as large and complex as the internet. The whole world is so interconnected that if one part fails sufficiently, the whole thing will go down.

I don't think we're at that stage though...
That would happen, but I think we're still very far from that stage too. So long as people are smart enough, they're not gonna let everything crumble overnight, and another world power will manage to take the USA's reins quickly enough. But indeed, the losses would be staggering, as you say.
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Old 2011-08-09, 08:28   Link #15569
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That's all they have going for them. They're not sufficiently trained in self-defence if at all, not to mention they focus more on containing them rather than actually trying to stop them.
They're also clearly understaffed for the work at hand. When you see stuff like 6/8 policeman in riot gear to take on a few dozen people if not a full hundred then you start to realize that no matter how many guts one has it's just not going to happen. Sheer numbers do count.
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Old 2011-08-09, 08:38   Link #15570
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That would happen, but I think we're still very far from that stage too. So long as people are smart enough, they're not gonna let everything crumble overnight, and another world power will manage to take the USA's reins quickly enough. But indeed, the losses would be staggering, as you say.
Nah, give or take another 50 years when Fossil Fuel runs out, Global Population burst through the roof, depleted natural resources coupled with Global Warming.....

You will see the current suitation in Somalia on a worldwide scale. God knows what will happen when the dust is settled.
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Old 2011-08-09, 09:16   Link #15571
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They're also clearly understaffed for the work at hand. When you see stuff like 6/8 policeman in riot gear to take on a few dozen people if not a full hundred then you start to realize that no matter how many guts one has it's just not going to happen. Sheer numbers do count.
Yup, they are actually get more trained riot coppers from other forces down to landan. Any opportunist would seize the chance and strike there where the forces were pulled from. Sometime the media should leave out some details, to prevent such thing from happening.
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Old 2011-08-09, 09:26   Link #15572
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They're also clearly understaffed for the work at hand. When you see stuff like 6/8 policeman in riot gear to take on a few dozen people if not a full hundred then you start to realize that no matter how many guts one has it's just not going to happen. Sheer numbers do count.
The main reason why MET Police is understaffed is largely because of cost cuts to public service sectors, and the MET has actually stopped recruiting officers and rely much more heavily on volunteers. That's the reason why you'll only ever see a handful of riot policemen against numerous dozens of rioters.
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Old 2011-08-09, 09:44   Link #15573
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Oh look it's the 2005 Paris riots again, except this time its in London.
This happens in France all the time. Rioting is a sport there, lol. I still say it may be Vancouverites still on vacation.

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The main reason why MET Police is understaffed is largely because of cost cuts to public service sectors, and the MET has actually stopped recruiting officers and rely much more heavily on volunteers. That's the reason why you'll only ever see a handful of riot policemen against numerous dozens of rioters.
I am surprised the military has not been called to restore order.
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Old 2011-08-09, 10:07   Link #15574
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I am surprised the military has not been called to restore order.
You mean the MOD that got cut by this government? We do still have the TA...
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Old 2011-08-09, 10:16   Link #15575
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Japan Held Nuclear Data, Leaving Evacuees in Peril

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

The last election may have brought in a new government, but it doesn't look like much has actually changed, particularly when it comes to "saving face" for the well-connected.

For those of you who follow Japanese politics more closely than I, what are the prospects for the Kan government falling and a new election needing to be called? What are the chances that a new crop of candidates might arise without ties to either the LDP or the DPJ?
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Old 2011-08-09, 10:17   Link #15576
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This happens in France all the time. Rioting is a sport there, lol. I still say it may be Vancouverites still on vacation.
Lol that wouldn't be all too surprising

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I am surprised the military has not been called to restore order.
They don't have the money to pay police officers, much less bring in military personnel to take care of a mob and then deal with the human rights activists who will certainly file a lawsuit.
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Old 2011-08-09, 10:49   Link #15577
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To think that this market panic seems to have started thanks to that small extremist faction in the house called the tea party =(
I disagree.
This economic situation started before most of us were born.
It's called the Federal Reserve System and fiat money.
I pretty sure the TEAparty didn't exist in 1913.
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Old 2011-08-09, 11:10   Link #15578
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To think that this market panic seems to have started thanks to that small extremist faction in the house called the tea party =(
Yes because all of the World's economies started facing reality with their finances as soon as the Tea Party gained a foothold in the House of Representatives only this year. /sacrasm. They are the only ones who are wanting to bring forth a balanced budget in my country. The rest of the Republicans and all of the Democrats just want to spend more and more and more, until this country collapses.
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Old 2011-08-09, 11:26   Link #15579
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Balancing works both ways. You have to increase revenues and decrease expenses. Guess what they outright refused to do under any circumstances? It's all well and good if they proclaim they want to balance it, but they shouldn't crash the country's economy in the process.
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Old 2011-08-09, 11:31   Link #15580
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I disagree.
This economic situation started before most of us were born.
It's called the Federal Reserve System and fiat money.
I pretty sure the TEAparty didn't exist in 1913.
All money is fiat money. It only holds value because people think it does. Even gold. Gold is valuable because "it's shiny", and people think that because it's shiny, other people think it's valuable.

Fiat currency is just lowering the abstraction by a level. Currency is only ever a means of exchange. The real problem is that certain sectors of the world economy thought things were more valuable then they really are, and when they realised they aren't actually that valuable, well...
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