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Old 2009-03-27, 14:59   Link #1941
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Let's look at this from another light. For the first time in a long time the Jews aren't being blamed. The tables have completely turned since ww2.
heh, okay - that observation wins an Internetz.

Somewhere, there's a jewish comedian building a new routine around "omg, for the first time in History, they're NOT blaming the Jews!!!! (for a financial mess)"
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Old 2009-03-27, 22:13   Link #1942
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heh, okay - that observation wins an Internetz.

Somewhere, there's a jewish comedian building a new routine around "omg, for the first time in History, they're NOT blaming the Jews!!!! (for a financial mess)"
You guys are making a judgement too fast. Sooner or later someone will blame them.
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Old 2009-03-27, 22:14   Link #1943
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Well, just need to remind someone that Madoff is a Jew. That he swindled many other Jews will be lost in the storm to come.
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Old 2009-03-27, 22:27   Link #1944
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It might come later.. .but that is still a "new thing in history". For 1500 years+, when in doubt - scapegoat a jew or a gypsy when things go south to divert attention away from "royal ineptitude" or "royal skullduggery".

This time the general public is looking balefully at those "good ole' white boys" equivalent of aristocracy who drove the economy into this mess (at least in the US).
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Old 2009-03-27, 23:17   Link #1945
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I suspect he was going for the "rich old white guys" Good Old Boys meme and seriously missed. There's the total "white skin blue-eyed vote" in Brazil he just tossed away (yes, those exist there).
As stupid as the remark may sound, it's taken out of context and probably mistranslated.

Not that I'm defending Lula, but he's been one of the most level-headed presidents in South America in the past decade when it comes to addressing the media.

Our president, on the other hand... *shrug*. I thought some things were reserved only for Fox News or something like that, until that woman appeared (and her husband, and the whole troupe of partying assholes that've been behind our country's rule for the past six years).
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Old 2009-03-28, 00:14   Link #1946
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North Korean Missiles May Be Able to Reach Hawaii, U.S. Says

It appears that North Korea will be launching their "peaceful satellite" between April 4 and April 8. Currently, the counter-offensive strategy would be for the US to intercept the missiles and when it explodes, the debris will be falling towards Akita and Iwate prefectures meaning that Japan's SDF will be intercepting the debris and preventing it from falling down and hitting property and civilians is probably the biggest concern. What happens if the SDF misses the targetted debris? Its not like the local governments of Akita and Iwate prefectures can force everybody to stay home 24 hours a day during the 5-day week, since there is no set date as to when North Korea will be launching their satellite. The people living in those regions are probably in a panic now. Its no longer a possibility for North Korea to cease action. 2 weeks left...

If North Korea continues to expand their military, it will definitely be a threat to South Korea too. Although South Koreans are not very happy at the fact that their lands are being occupied by American troops. However, if North Korea invades South Korea and that they occupied the lands would only make matters worse as the fact that since the United States and South Korea are allies, regardless of any possible issues, they can always discuss and negotiate things, whereas discussion and negotiations with North Korea is impossible by all means of the current situation. Thus, the current frontline against North Korea's "peaceful satellite" launch are the alliance of 3 nations' troops. Hope it all works!!!
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Old 2009-03-28, 00:54   Link #1947
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Honestly, I hope it's just a satelitle, but really the chances are almost 0, what's an impoverished country going to do with a Satelite, honestly now.
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Old 2009-03-28, 01:44   Link #1948
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I think the biggest fear is not the package.... (warhead or satellite)... its that the rocket is probably a dangerous piece of crap, will break up during launch, and spew debris all over Japan, South Korea, and other destinations.
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Old 2009-03-28, 12:23   Link #1949
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Besides, if that satellite works it's more likely for military purposes (presumably to keep tabs on its neighbors), but then we don't know because the North just kept their satellite project hush-hush.
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Old 2009-03-28, 12:33   Link #1950
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North Korean Missiles May Be Able to Reach Hawaii, U.S. Says

It appears that North Korea will be launching their "peaceful satellite" between April 4 and April 8. Currently, the counter-offensive strategy would be for the US to intercept the missiles and when it explodes, the debris will be falling towards Akita and Iwate prefectures meaning that Japan's SDF will be intercepting the debris and preventing it from falling down and hitting property and civilians is probably the biggest concern. What happens if the SDF misses the targetted debris? Its not like the local governments of Akita and Iwate prefectures can force everybody to stay home 24 hours a day during the 5-day week, since there is no set date as to when North Korea will be launching their satellite. The people living in those regions are probably in a panic now. Its no longer a possibility for North Korea to cease action. 2 weeks left...

If North Korea continues to expand their military, it will definitely be a threat to South Korea too. Although South Koreans are not very happy at the fact that their lands are being occupied by American troops. However, if North Korea invades South Korea and that they occupied the lands would only make matters worse as the fact that since the United States and South Korea are allies, regardless of any possible issues, they can always discuss and negotiate things, whereas discussion and negotiations with North Korea is impossible by all means of the current situation. Thus, the current frontline against North Korea's "peaceful satellite" launch are the alliance of 3 nations' troops. Hope it all works!!!
Honestly now, all '3' nations' army are more or less US'. South Korea DOES have its own armed force, but the one that will most likely handle this will be the US troops in SKorea. Ditto with Japan, only that Japan's army is more like an armed police than a military body.
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Old 2009-03-28, 18:12   Link #1951
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well, the US is providing the anti-missile systems to Japan and S. Korea for their use .... not necessarily clear how integrated each country's response will be or whether they've synchronized their "cue to fire defenses" protocols down to the tactical level.
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Old 2009-03-28, 19:04   Link #1952
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Seriously, North Korea, just hurry up and collapse already.
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Old 2009-03-28, 19:30   Link #1953
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The United States and Japan have anti-missile systems in place along the flight path announced by North Korea but the political risks of shooting down the missile are enormous.
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Old 2009-03-28, 21:52   Link #1954
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The United States and Japan have anti-missile systems in place along the flight path announced by North Korea but the political risks of shooting down the missile are enormous.
I believe that 1-2 days ago, the JDF was authorized - without needing to get the okay from the government first - to shoot down the "satellite" as soon as it looks to threaten Japanese territories. No idea if that is still the case - since nothing new had been reported in the news since - or what South Korea's or China's response will be - either toward Japan's action, if taken, or toward a launch into their airspace. It would be hard to say much against Japan's action if it becomes clear that the "satellite" would hit land, though.
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Old 2009-03-28, 23:07   Link #1955
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Uhm... silly question: suppose that this is really a missile test, what will happen if no one stops NK?
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Old 2009-03-28, 23:26   Link #1956
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Uhm... silly question: suppose that this is really a missile test, what will happen if no one stops NK?
Assuming all goes as planned for them? They put a satellite in orbit and demonstrait the capability of their missile. Not exactly a huge issue if you really think about it.
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Old 2009-03-29, 04:22   Link #1957
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Assuming all goes as planned for them? They put a satellite in orbit and demonstrait the capability of their missile. Not exactly a huge issue if you really think about it.
Given how our world communications are largely governed by satellites, NK might have the power to shoot down US spy satellites, a crucial element in US's military might. Or they might hold the rest of the world hostage by just blasting down satellites.

Time to revise the Outer Space and SALT II treaties.
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Old 2009-03-29, 04:51   Link #1958
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Given how our world communications are largely governed by satellites, NK might have the power to shoot down US spy satellites, a crucial element in US's military might. Or they might hold the rest of the world hostage by just blasting down satellites.

Time to revise the Outer Space and SALT II treaties.
I'm pretty sure we had this exact same conversation before. It might have been with someone else though. There is a huge difference between the capability of putting a satellite in low earth orbit and being able to hit something in a higher orbit. Communications and GPS satellites are in generally in geosyncronous orbit, though some communications satellites are in lower orbits. Spy satellites range in orbit depending on their mission. Low earth orbit is about 130 miles to 2000 miles. Geosync orbit is over 22,000 miles. Not to mention you still need to be able to hit something even if you can get your anti-sat warhead up there. North Korea is at the Sputnik/vanguard level right now. They're not going to be shooting down any satellites any time soon.
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Old 2009-03-29, 09:57   Link #1959
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The reason for shooting it down isn't because we don't want them to demonstrate strength, it is fairly obvious the only target they can hit accurately at this time is South Korea and this won't ever change with Seoul being... placed as such. We are more likely to shoot it down so that the North won't be able to tell how well their missile worked. Right now it is essentially test material. Most all test material is crap before it is tested and refined. If we take away their ability to test it by shooting it down they will get mad because it gets rid of a missile that was expensive (by their terms) to produce and was a great test source. We become happy because it likely means that they will not be able to develop a good rocket that can hit much of anything. The question is the North's following actions. Will they be violent or peaceful. The rocket isn't a big deal, the reaction to a simple rocket existing (or being shot down) is the big deal. It's like Sputnik sorta.
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Old 2009-03-29, 15:26   Link #1960
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