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Old 2004-04-21, 19:35   Link #201
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But claiming that non-Gainax series lack a certain finesse, artistry or sophistication is breathtakingly ignorant.
Indeed. I think it would be more appropriate to claim that Gainax are the only big studio (not including individual talents) who make this sort of material consistently.
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Old 2004-04-21, 20:00   Link #202
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Give me one thing about Nadia - or Wings of Honneamise - or Gunbuster - or Puchi Puri Yucie - that is "weird". But "different" - plenty. (...although maybe not *quite* so much Nadia as the others...)

And like I keep saying, what Gainax does is they manage to achieve the full potential of using the combination of image, cinematography *and* story. Whereas with most other studios, even if the animation is brilliant, the story is nothing out of the ordinary - and, for that matter, the animation is well-crafted, but no different from the animation in a dozen other shows.

Notice, for example, how nobody will ever actually mention things like camera angles, shot composition, pacing and use of music when talking about anime that isn't Gainax...
Wings of Honneamise has the weirdest and crappiest ending ever. Gunbuster's whole concept is quite weird, like making Jupiter explode, destroyed the center of Galaxy, girls destroying billions of aliens. Nadia... well, it's not that weird, but it's not that different neither...
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Old 2004-04-21, 21:02   Link #203
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Well, it's all very well to ask that, but it's not exactly something that can be described easily...
I see no reason why I should not be allowed to ask that you do so after you troubled yourself to take exception to my assertion.

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How can you say that animation with all those features breaks no new ground?
I said that the show was under-animated - that not much moved around. The cel count in one episode was 2300 at a time when 4000 was an industry average (meaning that exceptionally animated shows of the time would be using maybe double the number of cels of that episode). To Heart, a roughly contemporaneous and very well-animated series, has street scenes where 6 people are all in motion at the same time.

I know all about the cardboard cutouts and everything else - I've watched the entire series several times and I also wrote a detailed review of the series mentioning the same elements you did. The overdone recapping, by the way, had more to do with Anno's departure in the middle of the project than with any budgetary crisis.

I have also seen series presenting episodes as kamishibai, a musical or a quiz show - of course these were not GAINAX series. There are plenty of interesting ideas out there. Like I said, GAINAX does not have a monopoly on that kind of thing.

I don't have a problem with people taking interest in GAINAX' work but I don't find the writing to be very good since Anno departed. Kono Mini could easily be better written. Categorically putting GAINAX on a pedestal is merely wishful thinking based on a lack of either interest in or knowledge of what else is going on.
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Old 2004-04-22, 11:47   Link #204
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I see no reason why I should not be allowed to ask that you do so after you troubled yourself to take exception to my assertion.
Yes, OK, I wasn't actually objecting or anything. Sorry if it came out that way.

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I said that the show was under-animated - that not much moved around.
... and then said that you couldn't consider it groundbreaking in terms of its animation. That it uses less animation than average I completely agree with.
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Old 2004-04-22, 12:06   Link #205
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Ep3

Great episode; shows a LOT of promise. It's obvious to me the show will turn a dark corner soon... the cute sidekicks are showing up.

This episode feels really well-pased. Unlike last espisode, where it was mostly "let's explain everything and introduce everybody so we'd get it out of the way", this one wasn't that clear about Akari and how she ended up in the tree "house" living with a flying squid-thingie. It was mostly about the enigma that is Akari and her special relationship with Ryu. I really dig that; it has a nice Haibane Renmei feeling to it: extraordinary people doing ordinary things in an seemingly fantastic setting. My hope for the show went up again.

I've decided I'm going to forget about Mahoromatic, EVA, and GAINAX's reputation when watching KonoMini. I'm going to watch this show on its own merit, not on its similarities to other shows. I think this way I'd enjoy it much more.
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Old 2004-04-24, 11:02   Link #206
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Why is everyone making such a big deal about this? It might be a good show to some, while not to others.

I didn't like EVA, but there's a lot of people who did. I like Konomini, and as it turns out there's a lot of people who hate. I say, just go with it. Whatever happens, happens.

And this thread is to talk about Konomimi, could we please talk about that instead? ^_^

My thoughts on episode 3... I like Akari and Ryou. I thought I was going to hate them and they'd be boring, but they actually aren't.
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Old 2004-04-24, 11:46   Link #207
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Why is everyone making such a big deal about this? It might be a good show to some, while not to others.

I didn't like EVA, but there's a lot of people who did. I like Konomini, and as it turns out there's a lot of people who hate. I say, just go with it. Whatever happens, happens.

And this thread is to talk about Konomimi, could we please talk about that instead? ^_^

My thoughts on episode 3... I like Akari and Ryou. I thought I was going to hate them and they'd be boring, but they actually aren't.
I like Akari and Ryou too. Akari is stronger and more philosophical than Hikari (not to mention her "dark side"), while Ryou is more thoughtful and cool-headed than Takeshi.

I can't believe Takeshi didn't even think about the other "glowing body" after the splitting in the first episode....
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Old 2004-04-24, 16:56   Link #208
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Yeah, why didn't he think of the other glowy thing? lol, PLOTHOLE!

Is everyone going to have some sort of darkside in this anime, that you know of? Hikari and Takeru have one, and it IS called "This ugly and beautiful world".... and it seems like Jennifer was hinting at something evil inside Mari in the second episode.
I like how Jennifer does the opening narrations. ^__^
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Old 2004-04-24, 17:36   Link #209
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well, I'm really anticipating Ryou's transformation now
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Old 2004-04-24, 18:08   Link #210
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well, I'm really anticipating Ryou's transformation now
Since Takeshi looks like Devilman Ryou'll probably look like Cutey Honey....
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Old 2004-04-24, 19:29   Link #211
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Since Takeshi looks like Devilman Ryou'll probably look like Cutey Honey....


I am really enjoying this series.

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Old 2004-04-24, 20:08   Link #212
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Yeah, why didn't he think of the other glowy thing? lol, PLOTHOLE!

Is everyone going to have some sort of darkside in this anime, that you know of? Hikari and Takeru have one, and it IS called "This ugly and beautiful world".... and it seems like Jennifer was hinting at something evil inside Mari in the second episode.
I like how Jennifer does the opening narrations. ^__^
Well.... I wouldn't call it plot hole. Takeshi has things to worry about like Hikari and his transformation. I would just say he is quite thoughtless.

As for Jennifer and Mari, I think Jennifer just noticed that Mari likes Takeshi (or at least, has some feeling for him) and encouraged her to confess. (Side note: You can marry your cousin in Japan.)

According to Hikari and Jennifer, it seems like Hikari and Akari assumed their current forms and picked up some common senses and knowledge around the time of arrival. It will be interesting to see how the extinction theme will tie up to the plot.

For my personal taste I hope the plot won't become way too dark.... Unfortunately it's likely to happen.
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Old 2004-04-24, 21:13   Link #213
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For my personal taste I hope the plot won't become way too dark.... Unfortunately it's likely to happen.
that's definitely what i'm looking for ,the darker the better!
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Old 2004-04-25, 03:54   Link #214
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My belief is that the "Ugly and Beautiful World" is the world outlooks of Takeru and Ryou. Ep1 begins with Takeru being very cynical in talking about current world events, etc. Meanwhile we see that Ryou has a more positive outlook on the world and reveres life and people.

Hence the Ugly vs Beautiful World.
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Old 2004-04-25, 04:08   Link #215
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well, I'm really anticipating Ryou's transformation now
Why are you so sure that he is going to transform? I can't remember for certain if we saw his transformation in the OP, but I don't think so. You should consider that he might not transform. After all, Hikari put her power into Takeshi when she needed (needed?) a guardian, but Akari seems to have put her power into a watermelon thief since her needs are different. Perhaps because she has her little sidekick creature, Ryou isn't going to get to transform.
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Old 2004-04-25, 06:56   Link #216
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Why are you so sure that he is going to transform? I can't remember for certain if we saw his transformation in the OP, but I don't think so. You should consider that he might not transform. After all, Hikari put her power into Takeshi when she needed (needed?) a guardian, but Akari seems to have put her power into a watermelon thief since her needs are different. Perhaps because she has her little sidekick creature, Ryou isn't going to get to transform.
because in episode 4
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Old 2004-04-25, 09:40   Link #217
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According to Hikari and Jennifer, it seems like Hikari and Akari assumed their current forms and picked up some common senses and knowledge around the time of arrival. It will be interesting to see how the extinction theme will tie up to the plot.

For my personal taste I hope the plot won't become way too dark.... Unfortunately it's likely to happen.
It's just that Jennifer seems to know more then what she says all the time. Or acts like it anyway. It doesn't mean anything to Jennifer if Mari like Takeshi...

I actually want it to become a bit dark, because when I first heard of the show, I was expecting it.
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Old 2004-04-25, 09:46   Link #218
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that's definitely what i'm looking for ,the darker the better!
Same here. If the show *doesn't* get dark, I may just give up on it.
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Old 2004-04-25, 09:58   Link #219
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Why are you so sure that he is going to transform? I can't remember for certain if we saw his transformation in the OP, but I don't think so. You should consider that he might not transform. After all, Hikari put her power into Takeshi when she needed (needed?) a guardian, but Akari seems to have put her power into a watermelon thief since her needs are different. Perhaps because she has her little sidekick creature, Ryou isn't going to get to transform.
There is another (much bigger) sidekick robot (?).... I think that one will be Hikari's.

In my opinion Hikari and Akari are quite equal in terms of their guardians and abilities.

Ep.4 is a very heart-warming episode. Hikari and Akari have very different attitudes and environments. I will be interesting to see how their characters will develop. Judged from the pace so far I will guess there are more than 13 episodes.... Again I can be wrong.

I really don't want to see Hikari and Akari fight in the end....(cry)

Some hints in ep.4 worth noticing:
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Old 2004-04-25, 10:21   Link #220
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I want it to get dark in ways. It's so fitting for the theme!

And ifany character dies in this series, Mari would be first to go ^___^
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