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Old 2004-04-06, 22:12   Link #1
Chiaki Nozomi
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Lightbulb Who is going to be Japan's top IDOL!?

Because I was bored, I bring you - BATTLE OF THE IDOLS! Using scientific data, I shall decide who is the best Japanese IDOL!

Now let's start this joint!


Contestant 01 Ayumi Hamasaki


Contestant 02 Utada Hikaru
The battle of YOUTH

Ayumi - 25
Hikaru - 21

The battle of LOOKS

Ayumi -
Hikaru -
DRAW.

The battle of SALES

Debut Sales Number

Ayumi debut 'A song for XX' - 1,415,910
Hikaru debut 'First Love' - 7,373,000

2003 Yearly Ranking

Ayumi SINGLE - & placed 8
Hikaru SINGLE - COLORS placed 3

Ayumi ALBUM - RAINBOW placed 2
Hikaru - NONE, because she didn't release an album in 2003

Number of albums

Ayumi - 25 (counting remixes)
Hikaru - 4

Total Released Singles Number

Ayumi - 32
Hikaru - 12

The battle of FANBOYS/FANGIRLS

Ayumi GOOGLE search - about 107,000
Hikaru GOOGLE search - about 146,000

The battle of PVs

Ayumi - dances, has strange costumes, weird concepts
Hikaru - has strange costumes, weird concepts

FINAL SCORE

Ayumi - 5
Utada - 5

DRAW.

SPECIAL BONUS ROUND

International Appeal

Ayumi - Korea, China, Germany, and Taiwan have housed her singles and albums
Utada - Signed by defJam Island Records (which could mean a UK release), plus Korea, China, and Taiwan.

DRAW.

English Skills

Ayumi - Weird snippets in songs
Hikaru - Signed by US DefJam Island Records.

Who does Chiaki like more?

Ayumi - makes Chiaki want to kill herself
Hikaru - iz teh bestest! Hikki FOREVAA!!!!!!!!!1111



UTADA HIKARU WIN.


ROUND TWO CONTESTANTS - COMING SOON!

Namie Amuro - pop star turned hip hop princess
BoA - that weird Coolean (Korean :P) chick who sings Japanese songs

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Old 2004-04-07, 19:32   Link #2
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THE BATTLE CONTINUES!


Contestant 03 Namie Amuro


Contestant 04 BoA

The battle of YOUTH

Namie- 26
BoA - 17

The battle of LOOKS

Namie -
BoA -

The battle of SALES

Debut Sales Number

Namie debut 'SWEET 19 BLUES' - 3,000,000+
BoA debut 'LISTEN TO MY HEART' - ??? (did not break records until VALENTI)

2003 Yearly Ranking

Namie - Did not rank in top 100
BoA SINGLE 'JEWEL SONG' - placed 68

Namie - Did not rank in top 100
BoA ALBUM 'VALENTI' - placed 5

Number of albums

Namie - 8
BoA - 3

Total Released Singles Number

Namie - 26
BoA - 14

The battle of FANBOYS/FANGIRLS

Namie GOOGLE search - about 35,000
BoA GOOGLE search - about 319,000

The battle of PVs

Dancing Ability

Namie - hip hop routines
BoA - actual dance routines

Concepts

Namie - Typical pop/rap PVs
BoA - Typical pop PVs

DRAW.

International Appeal

Namie - Korea, China, and Taiwan
BoA - Korea, China, and Taiwan

DRAW.

English Skills

Namie - Weird snippets in songs
BoA - Bad english in 'english' songs

DRAW.

Collabs

Namie - Verbal
BoA - m-flo

DRAW.

Number of Projects

Namie - 3
BoA - 1 (2 if you count Korea)

Who does Chiaki like more?

Namie - is on Chiaki's workout playlist
BoA- who dat? Chiaki dun like her!

FINAL SCORE

Namie - 10
BoA - 9

NAMIE AMURO WIN.


ROUND THREE CONTESTANTS - COMING SOON!

Morning Musume - that huge ass pop group you keep hearing about and the stars of Chiaki's sig. Learn all their names next time!
Gackt - that one guy that looks like a girl so he gets put in contest for the IDOL position

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Old 2004-04-08, 20:17   Link #3
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THE BATTLE CONTINUES!


Contestant 05 Morning Musume


Contestant 06 Gackt



The battle of YOUTH

Morning Musume - 15-22
Gackt - 464 (probably mid 30s)



The battle of LOOKS

Morning Musume -
Gackt -

DRAW.



The battle of SALES


Debut Sales Number

Morning Musume 'First Time' - Peaked at #4 on the charts
Gackt debut 'Mars' - Peaked at #3 on the charts


2003 Yearly Ranking

Morning Musume SINGLES - placed 63, 64, 75, 88
Gackt - Did not rank in top 100

Multiple singles! PLUS FOUR POINTS!

Morning Musume ALBUM 'NO. 5' - placed 92
Gackt - Did not rank in top 100


Number of albums

Morning Musume - 19
Gackt - 6


Total Released Singles Number

Morning Musume - 22
Gackt - 14



The battle of FANBOYS/FANGIRLS

Morning Musume GOOGLE search - about 39,900
Gackt GOOGLE search - about 290,000



The battle of PVs


Dancing Ability

Morning Musume - badly choreographed to halfway decent
Gackt - only he knows what the hell he is doing

DRAW.


Concepts

Morning Musume - Anything to make the girls look cute
Gackt - Anything to make him look sexy

DRAW.


International Appeal

Morning Musume - Korea, China, and Taiwan
Gackt - Korea, China, and Taiwan

DRAW.



The battles that DON'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE!


English Skills

Morning Musume - Coconuts members and ex-Mika of ex-Mini Moni fluent
Gackt - Claims to be fluent, but is really not


Other languages?

Morning Musume - What? There are other languages?
Gackt - Chinese, French


Number of Projects

Morning Musume - 9+
Gackt - 2


How many members?

Morning Musume - 13 (soon to be 11 with Graduation of Nozomi Tsuji and Ai Kago; Natsumi Abe graduated last Christmas)
Gackt - 1


Whose fans are more moronic?

Morning Musume - People don't admit to liking them
Gackt - *urge to kill rising*


Who does Chiaki like more?

Morning Musume - is on Chiaki's workout playlist, Chiaki's cd player, Chiaki's DVD player...
Gackt - is on Chiaki's cd player, her DVD player, her compy wallpaper...

DRAW.






FINAL SCORE

Morning Musume - 17
Gackt - 9

MORNING MUSUME WIN.


ROUND FOUR CONTESTANTS - COMING SOON!

SMAP - Probably the greatest boy band to ever come from a pop factory. Name is in all caps.
CHEMISTRY - that duo that keeps tearing up the charts despite their lack of musical talent. Name is in all caps.
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Old 2004-04-09, 18:10   Link #4
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so many hot idols....
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Old 2004-04-09, 19:22   Link #5
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Someones a Gackt hater. Gackt > MM in everything. (if you don't include his horrible, HORRIBLE Moon CD).
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Old 2004-04-09, 22:20   Link #6
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Originally Posted by JubeiYamazaki
Someones a Gackt hater. Gackt > MM in everything. (if you don't include his horrible, HORRIBLE Moon CD).

AIINT! WRONG!

I am in fact, a lover of Gackt as well. I have been with him since Malice Mizer. The point is - he got whooped. His cds and singles didn't top MM, and if you noticed, I tied most of the catagories that were silly, or added to make it even. I even added some to give him some points.

Ah f-ck. If you had read the 'Who does Chiaki like more' you would've seen it was a draw. ^_^.

Now to get working on the next round.
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Old 2004-04-10, 13:53   Link #7
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Keep it up Chiaki. This is "wanna laugh until I die" funny. But really, Ayumi should've won the battle with Hikki. Apparently the english skills category was planned in Hikaru's favor. Of course she speaks English better than any native Japanese, she was born in America and has lived there for half of her life. So in my opinion, category does not count. It all ends in tie.
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Old 2004-04-10, 14:28   Link #8
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Keep it up Chiaki. This is "wanna laugh until I die" funny. But really, Ayumi should've won the battle with Hikki. Apparently the english skills category was planned in Hikaru's favor. Of course she speaks English better than any native Japanese, she was born in America and has lived there for half of her life. So in my opinion, category does not count. It all ends in tie.
Don't worry Indicator101! Ayumi has a chance back in the competition... as do all of the losers. After all the end of all the first rounds, 2 losers can come back as 'Wild Cards'. Ayumi could be one of them, she could not. One will be 'Viewer's Choice' and the other will be chosen by me.

As for why there was no update yesterday... I had another project going! Check it out here - Don't you wanna know what it is!

Its just started, but I'm working on it as hard as I am this. I'll try to have the next round up this afternoon!
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Old 2004-04-10, 14:55   Link #9
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GACKT??? I thought Japanese Idol contests were women only....(or is Gackt in fact a woman? Or a Man/Woman hybrid? )
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Old 2004-04-10, 16:08   Link #10
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THE BATTLE CONTINUES!


Contestant 07 SMAP - Kimura Takuya, Inagaki Goro, Nakai Masahiro, and Kusanagi Tsuyoshi


Contestant 08 CHEMISTRY - Kaname Kawata and Yoshikuni Dochin



The battle of YOUTH

SMAP - 29-32
CHEMISTRY - 29 and 28



The battle of LOOKS

SMAP -
CHEMISTRY -





The battle of SALES


Debut Sales Rank

SMAP 'SMAP 001'- Peaked at #14 on the charts
CHEMISTRY 'ONEXONE' - Peaked at #1


2003 Yearly Ranking

SMAP SINGLE 'Sekai ni Hitotsu Dake no Hana' N0. 01 !
CHEMISTRY - ranked 20 and 46

SMAP TOP SINGLE! PLUS 10 BONUS POINTS!
CHEMISTRY MULTIPLE SINGLES! PLUS 2 BONUS POINTS!



SMAP ALBUMS - ranked 23, 46
CHEMISTRY ALBUM 'SECOND TO NONE' No. 01!

CHEMISTRY TOP ALBUM! PLUS 10 BONUS POINTS!
SMAP MULTIPLE ALBUMS! PLUS 2 BONUS POINTS!



Number of albums

SMAP - 16
CHEMISTRY - 4


Total Released Singles Number

SMAP - 35
CHEMISTRY - 12



The battle of FANBOYS/FANGIRLS

SMAP GOOGLE search - about 44,500
CHEMISTRY GOOGLE search - about 314,000



The battle of PVs


Dancing Ability

SMAP - Aren't the best, but they try
CHEMISTRY - Can't remember ever seeing them dance....

DRAW.


Concepts

SMAP - Can't really pinpoint what they do...
CHEMISTRY - Look at us! We're sExY!

DRAW.


International Appeal

SMAP - Korea, China, and Taiwan
CHEMISTRY - Korea, China, and Taiwan

DRAW.



The battles that DON'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE!


English Skills

SMAP - Takai speaks pretty good english, as does Takuya. They are not fluent though.
CHEMISTRY - Weird snippets in songs


Number of Projects

SMAP - 2+
CHEMISTRY - 1


Whose fangirls are mightier?

SMAP - Never seen any fanfiction
CHEMISTRY - Yaoi fanfiction is to be found!


Who does Chiaki like more?

SMAP - I think its obvious that I'm a SMAP fangirl - everyone go out and watch their weekly show 'SMAPXSMAP NOW!
CHEMISTRY - I think its obvious that I'm as far from a CHEMISTRY fangirl as it can get





FINAL SCORE

SMAP - 22
CHEMISTRY - 20

SMAP WIN.


ROUND FIVE CONTESTANTS - COMING SOON!

Mika Nakashima - The best adult pop contemporary singer you've never heard of
MISIA - The best jR&B singer you've never heard of

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Old 2004-04-10, 16:10   Link #11
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GACKT??? I thought Japanese Idol contests were women only....(or is Gackt in fact a woman? Or a Man/Woman hybrid? )
XD Its not fair that the men get all the fanservice! The TRUE JAPANESE IDOL could be male or female!
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Old 2004-04-11, 19:37   Link #12
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THE BATTLE CONTINUES!


Contestant 09 Mika Nakashima


Contestant 10 MISIA



The battle of YOUTH

Mika - 21
MISIA - 26



The battle of LOOKS

Mika-
MISIA -

DRAW.




The battle of SALES


Debut Sales Rank

Mika 'TRUE' - Peaked at #1 on the charts, 73 weeks
MISIA 'Mother Father Brother Sister' - Peaked at #1, 77 weeks


2003 Yearly Ranking

Mika SINGLES 'Yuki no Hana', 'FIND THE WAY, and 'Aishiteru' ranked 53, 79, 99
MISIA - did not rank...

MIKA MULTIPLE SINGLES! PLUS 3 BONUS POINTS!



Mika ALBUM 'LOVE' ranked 14
MISIA ALBUM 'Hoshizora no Live' ranked 96



Number of albums

Mika - 13
MISIA - 27


Total Released Singles Number

Mika - 11
MISIA - 16



The battle of FANBOYS/FANGIRLS

Mika GOOGLE search - about 12,800
MISIA GOOGLE search - about 310,000



The battle of PVs


Dancing Ability

Mika - Doesn't dance, but does get lower and lower to the ground as she sings.
MISIA - Doesn't dance herself, but does hire dancers to look cool for her.

DRAW.


Concepts

Mika - Different concepts in each PV
MISIA - Ranges from bizzare to cool

DRAW.


International Appeal

Mika - Korea, China, and Taiwan
MISIA - Korea, China, and Taiwan

DRAW.



The battles that DON'T FIT ANYWHERE ELSE!


English Skills

Mika - Did a rendition of Amazing Grace. Had prominant Japanese accent.
MISIA - Halfway decent snippets

DRAW.


Who does Chiaki like more?

Mika - I like her as much as I like MISIA plus a nudge.
MISIA - I like her as much as I like Mika Nakashima.

DRAW.


FINAL SCORE

Mika - 12
MISIA - 10

MIKA NAKASHIMA WIN.


ROUND SIX CONTESTANTS - COMING SOON!

Koda Kumi - That one chick that did that themes for that one game and now is trying to be Miss hip hop thang. Big Sister.
Day After Tomorrow - That trio that makes that 80s synth music and does themes for games not released here. Koda Kumi's little sis Misono lead singer.


Random Talk

How do I come up with the battles? And are they fair?

Some battles I chose for obvious reasons (i.e. Ayu vs. Hikki), some I chose for competiveness (SMAP vs. CHEMISTRY), some for fun (MM vs. Gackt and tomorrow's Koda Kumi vs. DAT), and some because they were the first thing that popped into my mind (Mika Nakashima vs. MISIA). Sometimes I wish I had not used a certain person in a battle, because there were other, more 'even' battles I could've done so that it would be a duo vs. duo or group vs. group.

Do I know the winner before I start? Not really. For instance, in the first battle I thought Hikki would stomp Ayu. It ended with a tie, and I had to use a bonus round to get a clear winner. MM vs. Gackt shocked me at the final numbers. Gackt is such a prominant guest on Music Shows, I thought his sales would've been higher. The SMAP vs. CHEMISTRY surprised me too. SMAP barely won through the fact that they've been around longer. This nature makes the battle actually fun to look up and see the winner. At the beginning, I had debut sales numbers, but as the battles went on, I found it almost impossible to find sales numbers. So I changed it to peaked position, which means I can now find almost all the information for the battles by surfing the Oricon.

As for fairness, I try to balance things out so they end up winning by sales, fans numbers. I never count my personal likeness unless it is a tie when I count up the final figures. But it is my little game, so I could make up rules as I go...

And that was the first and probably last random talk for awhile.
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Old 2004-04-25, 21:08   Link #13
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Weee! I love Gackt! *Runs around in circles squeeling before hitting a wall, then falls down and starts convulsing* Gaaaackt!!
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Old 2004-04-25, 22:12   Link #14
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1)I'd like to know why you think CHEMISTRY is untalented. Can you elaborate a little bit more please? I'm a fan of thiers, but I can't find an english site on them ANYWHERE!!
2) when you did a Google search, how did you narrow it down to CHEMISTRY the music duo and not that class you take in High School (with the beakers and chemicals and whatnot :P)
3) Not to tell you what to do, but do you think "The Uncoloured" or "Nami Taminaki" have a chance at showing up in the future (not together, of course :P)

And Is it okay for a boy to post in this thread, or is it soley fangirl territory? X_X
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Old 2004-04-25, 23:24   Link #15
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Woah woah woah, how the heck does Namie Amuro beat BoA? She sounds like a japanese Britney Spears. BoA has a much smoother, obviously less synthesizer-enchanced voice. Saeko Chiba > BoA > Mikumi Shimokawa > Namie Amuro. That's a math equation anyone can understand.
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Old 2004-04-27, 02:12   Link #16
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where are you Chiaki? We need your insight on who will win between the slutty Koda Kumi and forgotten "days after tomorrow".
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Old 2004-04-28, 23:47   Link #17
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This is entertaining, more, more, more!
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Old 2004-04-30, 16:24   Link #18
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Nice stuff! I enjoyed reading it...

Only one question: is age THAT important?
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Old 2004-04-30, 16:37   Link #19
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The image for Contestant 01 Ayumi Hamasaki seems to have become a scene from Day of Defeat.

While the image of Contestant 02 Utada Hikaru has become a car parked infront of a real estate office...
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Old 2004-04-30, 18:35   Link #20
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A bunch of the things you're using are completely irrelevant...debut single sales are completely useless in determining a singer's staying power, and only measure the record company hype. (How do you hear about a debut single before it's out? Hype.)

On top of that Namie is almost completely washed up. Her last single is horribly awful, as are 3 out of the last 4 tracks she's released.

Nakashima Miki SUCKS. She cannot sing. And if you're going to compare looks, you should use a picture of the "new" Misia, the one that had plastic surgery last year.

In any case it's transparently obvious that this all breaks down to:

"Who does Chiaki Nozomi like to listen to more?! Everyone look at me!"

It'd be nice if there were some outside debate allowed, or perhaps, shorter posts by you, so others can toss in their 2 cents.

As far as who the next "actual" idol is going to be? There's too many people vying for that crown right now. In the past, everyone just sort of got out of the way. When Namie hit, there were hardly any big single person acts out. ELT, Globe, TRF, they were all groups. You can't really count Tomomi Kahala, because everyone knew she couldn't sing, but TK gave her good melodies, beats, and songs...cuz she was his wife.

When Ayumi came out Utada Hikaru and Kuraki Mai were battling each other, and left the door open for Ayumi by not releasing anything for a while. Avex capitalized by pumping out a bunch of Ayumi crap (4 different albums of remixes released at the same time? Gag.) and she monopolized the airtime as a result. But people grew tired of her very rapidly.

In short, there isn't an "idol to end all idols" left out of the current crop of acts. If anyone, it'd probably be Matsuura Aya. She has popluarity, is too stupid be egotistical at this point, and is young enough to have a legion of fans again in 5-10 years, where everyone isn't tired of "idols" anymore. She could re-peak, at around 20-22 and be huge all by herself.

Without one dominant producer, you can't have one dominant singer. TK doesn't have it anymore, meaning it's wide open.
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