[Manga] Naruto Chapter 577 Discussion

[Discerptor]

Originally Posted by Shining Celebi

I wouldn't think on it too much. Madara and the First have grown in power since chapter 1 - remember how the Third was the "god of shinobi" and the "strongest Hokage?" Remember how Suiryuudan was the omfgwtfbbq of jutsu?

In the most technical of senses, nothing has directly contradicted the claims regarding the Third - all comparisons of Hashirama to other shinobi has been done to the ones alive today. Not that it changes how inflated the purported powers of Madara and Hashirama have become over the course of the manga. I think it was somewhat inevitable with ninja powers getting flashy to the point of producing a character like Pain, though.

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by Shining Celebi

I wouldn't think on it too much. Madara and the First have grown in power since chapter 1 - remember how the Third was the "god of shinobi" and the "strongest Hokage?" Remember how Suiryuudan was the omfgwtfbbq of jutsu?

when is it said sarutobi was the strongest hokage? I remember it being known as minato. I thought even the 3rd said that.

lol at the water dragons. at least shadow clones held up pretty well

[Hasumi]

And the usefulness of Substitution has faded into obscurity.

[james0246]

Chapter 576 thread has been opened. Please move all relevant discussions to the new thread.

[Shining Celebi]

Originally Posted by itachi-san314

when is it said sarutobi was the strongest hokage? I remember it being known as minato. I thought even the 3rd said that.

lol at the water dragons. at least shadow clones held up pretty well

Chapter 94. Iruka tells his students that "the Third was said to be the strongest of all the Hokage," and Hiruzen gets irate with him for using the past tense.

During the conversation prior to that, Hiruzen and Anko agree that if the Fourth were still alive, he would be a match for Orochimaru, and that Hiruzen most likely no longer is. Over time, people have turned that into "the Third said the Fourth was the strongest."

I guess another thing that's changed immensely is that Hiruzen was said to be virtually crippled by his old age, everyone kept bringing it up, and yet old people in Part 2 are still uberstrong - the Raikage, the Tsuchikage, etc.

[itachi-san314]

Originally Posted by Shining Celebi

Chapter 94. Iruka tells his students that "the Third was said to be the strongest of all the Hokage," and Hiruzen gets irate with him for using the past tense.

During the conversation prior to that, Hiruzen and Anko agree that if the Fourth were still alive, he would be a match for Orochimaru, and that Hiruzen most likely no longer is. Over time, people have turned that into "the Third said the Fourth was the strongest."

I guess another thing that's changed immensely is that Hiruzen was said to be virtually crippled by his old age, everyone kept bringing it up, and yet old people in Part 2 are still uberstrong - the Raikage, the Tsuchikage, etc.

right on. thanks for pointing it out. yea, it seems that the 3rd is victim to several retcons. the latest of which is how strong madara is making hashirama sound. you are right when you say that older ninja were severely weakened back in the older manga and now they seem to get stronger with age despite having a weak body. oonoki just keeps on using extremely powerful techs despite his 'bad back'