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Old 2012-05-28, 13:21   Link #101
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Yes he did, he literally used his feather power and made a fake out of Amata and calls him Dark/Fake/Other Amata for a reason.

What fate? Did you not watch the original? Amata and Mikono are fated to be together because of a 12,000 promise. Amata is the reincarnation of Apollo and Mikono is the reincarnation of Silvia. The fate that he's trying to fight is that they're meant for each other(which makes Zessica have merit since she said Kagura was fated to be with Mikono and since he's just a part of Amata that means he's fated for her as well) which is stupid because he wants to get together with his destined love. A huge contradiction right there.

Zessica just interpeted wrong because she doesn't know Kagura "is" a part of Amata and that if Mikono got with Kagura than she could get with Amata, that's why she said that. Doesn't help that Amata didn't appear in any of the mirror visions, so from what she knew she was correct.
Kagura is not FAKE and Amata is not FAKE no ONE IS FAKE they were SPLIT INTO TWO by Mykage's feather...they are both the REAL AMATA HELLOO DARK and LIGHT go hand in hand both are REAL not ONE IS FAKE...REAL...NOT FAKE...BUT REAL....

AND your second paragraph WTH?? For all Amata knows is that he isn't fated to be with Mikono and that Kagura is meant to be with Mikono. But he's fighting it because he wants to be with Mikono in the NOW (the present) and not because of some FATE from 12,000 years ago but if Kagura and Amata merge together then it will be a contradiction because they are meant to be together only to be separated again. That was their FATE in SOUSEI NO AQUARION and could possibly be their FATE in Evol...if we go your way Amata is destined to get together with his love but doesn't mean they wont be separated again...So blah! I have watched Sousei No Aquarion and both Celiane/Apollonius and Syliva/Apollo were destined to be together but they were separated in the end that was their FATE.
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Old 2012-05-28, 13:39   Link #102
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Yes Kagura is a fake, he didn't exist until Mykage pulled him out of Amata. He's literally a clone, a fake of the real thing because he wasn't born of the world but created from being ripped out from another person.

Kagura isn't even his own person, he's just a part of Amata which means that his fate to be with Mikono holds less merit than Amata's BECAUSE he's not the real deal. Apollo didn't reincarnate into Kagura/dark Amata, he reincarnated into Amata.

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Old 2012-05-29, 06:39   Link #103
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If Amata was split into a dark and a light Amata, it doesn't really matter which one of them has the original body and which has the split-off body (that is, if they aren't both split off bodies from the original Amata); that wouldn't make either of them fakes, but just halves of the same whole. Their "fate" should be the same unless it got reshuffled somehow. Which is odd, because the way Kagura was talking, he seemed to have realised what happened but still thought that he was "fated" for Mikono whilst Amata isn't. I suppose we could put it down to Mykage's brainwashing, or perhaps to Kagura believing that Amata is too much of a loser to have any claim on fate.
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Old 2012-05-29, 11:00   Link #104
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No it's just bad writing, they're trying to shift Amata is fighting fate even though anyone that has paid attention knows he isn't fighting anything because he's fated to be with Mikono.
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Old 2012-05-30, 05:08   Link #105
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The last 2 episodes really gives him a creepy side in regard of his relationship with Mikono.
It's a 2 edged sword, on one hand it makes him more interesting, on the other hand it's not going to contribute to render him or the pursuing of love more sympathetic.

And the Zessica ! You alive !!
Extremelly hillarious but it doesn't make him look like a good friend that's for sure.

My biggest disapointment was about his encounter with Kagura. It turned into a Mikono saaaaaaaaaaaaan vs SYLPHIIIIIIIIIIIE contest with poor Mikono as a prize. Lame.

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Old 2012-06-05, 02:55   Link #106
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No it's just bad writing, they're trying to shift Amata is fighting fate even though anyone that has paid attention knows he isn't fighting anything because he's fated to be with Mikono.

Look, the two of them are Amata. Kagura just happened to be found by Mykage and had his memories sealed to change his name. But he's HALF of Amata. Not a fake, not a portion. He's Amata.

Is the concept of yin and yang that difficult to grasp? No half is 'more' than the other. Same goes to Kagura.
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Old 2012-06-05, 10:58   Link #107
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Look, the two of them are Amata. Kagura just happened to be found by Mykage and had his memories sealed to change his name. But he's HALF of Amata. Not a fake, not a portion. He's Amata.

Is the concept of yin and yang that difficult to grasp? No half is 'more' than the other. Same goes to Kagura.
While that certainly true, I'm not sure what that has to do with the quote.

It is the portions of original Amata, neither less than the other, fighting one another over something that was "destined" to be theirs. Kagura is fighting for it because its the only thing he knows or even has as his identity, the same can be said, to a degree, for Amata but we need to wait and see if Detachment Wings pop back up in the story or if we're stuck with Wings of Glory which lost to Kagura. (I cannot help but think that that was meant to show who's will was stronger, a sort of truth vs. pretty words.)
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Old 2012-06-05, 12:52   Link #108
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While that certainly true, I'm not sure what that has to do with the quote.
I was replying to Destined_Fate in general who seems to believe one is more fake than the other.
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Old 2012-06-05, 13:42   Link #109
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Simply because Kagura is a fake. He doesn't even exist on his own right, he was just ripped out of Amata and than given false memories. This isn't like brothers or the such which are born together, Kagura literally didn't exist until Mykage made him exist and with how things are going there's a high chance he will cease to exist again and get put back into Amata.

So yes, Kagura is a fake compared to Amata who is the real deal that has always existed.
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Old 2012-06-05, 21:48   Link #110
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Simply because Kagura is a fake. He doesn't even exist on his own right, he was just ripped out of Amata and than given false memories. This isn't like brothers or the such which are born together, Kagura literally didn't exist until Mykage made him exist and with how things are going there's a high chance he will cease to exist again and get put back into Amata.

So yes, Kagura is a fake compared to Amata who is the real deal that has always existed.

Woah there. You don't seem to get it, do you? Amata doesn't exist in his own right either. They are both Amata. One is called Kagura for simplicity's sake for the viewers. Both had sealed memories or tweaked on. Not just Kagura.

Amata divided in dark and light. The Dark side (which has the 'animalistic' powers of Apollo/Pollon) is called Kagura (by Mykage) but he's really Amata: this side went to Altair. The Light side (which has the flight power) is the Amata side that remained in Vega. If Vega Amata had been renamed Malloy, he would still be a half of complete Amata. They are two equal halves of a complete person.
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Old 2012-06-05, 21:54   Link #111
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Yes Amata does, he's the original body and the one originally bon into this cycle. Kagura is a fake that didn't even have a body or a soul until he was torn out of Amata. That makes him a fake, or the "other".
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Old 2012-06-06, 02:01   Link #112
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Yes Amata does, he's the original body and the one originally bon into this cycle. Kagura is a fake that didn't even have a body or a soul until he was torn out of Amata. That makes him a fake, or the "other".
Way to not pay attention to what Fudou says. There is no fake or the other.

Only Dark Amata and Light Amata. Kagura looks like an Amata with pseudo (but not quite) inverted colors because is the Dark half. They are halves. In fact, they might be their own person now since they grew up different.
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Currently, it seems Amata is becoming more determined to win Mikono disregarding fate or Kagura's awesomeness. It might have been Kagura's saying he'll kill Mikono all night long puts him in desperate way to get Mikono from what he thinks was a complete perverted part of himself.

I'll never loss from that guy. To hell with the fate!!! I love Mikono!!!
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You do know that Amata went right back to the fate thing in the next episode and it was the thing that made Zessica even easier to take over when she got to Altair. Even before than he was all fine about fate when it was convient to him but when his fake starts spouting that he's more fated for Mikono than him he gets into a penis size contest over who's more fated for Mikono and who has a cuter reason for why they're more fated by fate to be with their fated lover. Than considering that Kagura is the fake and he's the original than there was no need to argue over something that stupid because he's the one originally fated for Mikono, not Kagura.

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Way to not pay attention to what Fudou says. There is no fake or the other.

Only Dark Amata and Light Amata. Kagura looks like an Amata with pseudo (but not quite) inverted colors because is the Dark half. They are halves. In fact, they might be their own person now since they grew up different.
Doesn't matter, still doesn't change that Kagura doesn't even exist as a person but as a copy that was ripped out of the original which makes him a fake. This will be more apparant when if they merge him back into the real deal where he'll pretty much just cease to exist again.
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Old 2012-06-06, 05:15   Link #115
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Doesn't matter, still doesn't change that Kagura doesn't even exist as a person but as a copy that was ripped out of the original which makes him a fake. This will be more apparant when if they merge him back into the real deal where he'll pretty much just cease to exist again.
By your definition the current "Amata" is also fake, because he is also not the original Amata.
If they merge, then i am sure the new (or rather the original Amata) will have atleast have some traits of both Kagura and "Amata". So in a sense "Amata" will also cease to exist.
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Old 2012-06-06, 07:38   Link #116
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The current Amata is the original body that was born into this cycle, thus he isn't a fake. He was born into the world while Kagura on the other hand is a fake that was created by taking some of the original by Mykage. By all accounts Kagura shouldn't even exist and without Mykage using his feather powers he wouldn't exist.

And no, the original wont cease to exist because he's the original. He'll just get the leftovers added to the base.
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The current Amata is the original body that was born into this cycle, thus he isn't a fake. He was born into the world while Kagura on the other hand is a fake that was created by taking some of the original by Mykage. By all accounts Kagura shouldn't even exist and without Mykage using his feather powers he wouldn't exist.

And no, the original wont cease to exist because he's the original. He'll just get the leftovers added to the base.
The current Amata might not be fake in the sense of body but fake (or rather incomplete) when it comes to the soul because he is missing half of his original self.

If Kagura was not seperated from Amata, there could be a chance that Amata would have developed some traits that Kagura shows. Because those traits possibly came from his previous incarnation Apollo.

Let's compare this with an old classic dragonball. Both Piccolo Daimao and "Kami" are halves of the same person, but you can't actually call either of them fake because they both exist as seperated beings.

So in short, if you think Kagura is fake then by your reasoning Amata is fake as well.
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I have no idea why we're even having this discussion.

Amata and Kagura used to be one person but now they're two different people on their own right. There are even actual physical differences between them, and it's not just how Amata looks a sweeter and Kagura a wilder version: Kagura is taller, has a darker skintone (probably not a tan, seeing how most of Altair seems to be underground), has a different hair and eye color, a different voice... And I think neither of them would be happy if anyone tried to re-merge them.
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Incomplete doesn't make him fake, he was the original and is still the original. Kagura is just a by product that has no right to exist but only does because Mykage was a bit too stupid to just kidnap Amata and brainwash him instead of making a fake that was fragmented and broken.

And again no. You're trying to twist what is happening here. Amata was always around, Kagura wasn't. He was created by being ripped out of the original by Mykage. As far as the universe is concerned he isn't real since he wasn't created by the laws of the universe or even a natural reincarnation.

Considering that Kagura is the way he is because of brainwashing and harsh upbringing by Mykage there's a zero precent chance of Amata ever developing the traits that Kagura had unless he was influenced by a powerful outside force like Mykage. Thus what made Kagura who he was wasn't a natural flow of things just like his creation wasn't natural because he isn't the real deal and just a fake imitation for Mykage to troll with.
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Old 2012-06-06, 08:06   Link #120
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Incomplete doesn't make him fake, he was the original and is still the original. Kagura is just a by product that has no right to exist but only does because Mykage was a bit too stupid to just kidnap Amata and brainwash him instead of making a fake that was fragmented and broken.

And again no. You're trying to twist what is happening here. Amata was always around, Kagura wasn't. He was created by being ripped out of the original by Mykage. As far as the universe is concerned he isn't real since he wasn't created by the laws of the universe or even a natural reincarnation.
You are trying to twist the facts around here. Kagura is essentially half of the original amata. By seperating Kagura (dark side) from the original Amata, you are also left with a byproduct that is called today Amata (the light side). The current Amata is just like Kagura neither a natural occurance nor something done by the law of the universe.


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Considering that Kagura is the way he is because of brainwashing and harsh upbringing by Mykage there's a zero precent chance of Amata ever developing the traits that Kagura had unless he aws influenced by a powerful outside force like Mykage. What made Kagura who he was wasn't natural just like his creation wasn't natural because he isn't the real deal and just a fake imitation for Mykage to troll with.
Kagura already exhibited bestial traits (like walking on 4 "legs") right after his seperation and not due the brainwashing. A trait that resembles the way how Apollo moved in the original series. So in a way Mikage seperated the darker side of Amata which includes the part with Apollo in it from the original Amata.
You keep insisting that Kagura is a fake or imitation , while he is just a seperation of the real Amata.
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