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Old 2013-02-22, 18:08   Link #221
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No "decent current gaming pc" has 8 GB of GDDR5 RAM. Also, within a couple years PC gamers will complain again as PCs get more upgrades.
No... they usually have at least 8gb of DDR3 ram and 1gb of dedicated video ram (GDDR5).
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Old 2013-02-22, 19:46   Link #222
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I care little for the difference behind the lack of backwards compatibility. It still boils down to the fact that the older games won't work on it, correct?
Yup, but it is highly likely to see FullHD remastered/remix versions of PS3 games in the future, just like we saw last gen.
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Old 2013-02-22, 19:53   Link #223
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I was mostly underwhelmed at the reveal.

Ultimately, I'd only buy it if there were games on it I couldn't get on whatever the next Xbox is, but for the first time in a while, I'll likely only be buying one of these next-gen consoles, rather than both.

Though, objectively, I hardly play games on either my PS3 or Xbox. Most of the time spent on them is streaming videos from my pc to my tv, and I doubt either device is going to have much improvement in that regard (other than allowing more file formats, something I don't see either company doing ever, there's not much to improve anyways).

Never underestimate the draw of a game though. I bought a PS for FF 7. I bought a Wii for Xenoblade/Last Story. I bought a PSP for about three RPGs. Making, in an ironic sense, console games the most expensive games I've ever bought, when you factor in the hardware price, something people try to place on PC gaming. I have probably played about five games on my PS3. All games I couldn't play on my PC/Xbox or because I couldn't get my hand on an Xbox copy as quickly as I wanted.

I could certainly see myself buying a PS4 for some game that I just had to play, as the days of being able to rent these devices from the local Block Buster seem to be becoming a thing of the past.
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Old 2013-02-23, 01:08   Link #224
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That's only because we're talking about screens! I'm talking about internal resolutions more specifically. That's how "HD Remakes" are made, they just up the internal resolution and "wow look at that all HD ". I can do the exact same thing in PCSX2...
Screens and real world effectiveness is all that matters though. It does you no good if you upscale your game to 4K only to display it on a 1080P screen, as a matter of fact, it'd be detrimental as you'd incur substantial performance penalties since you have to process everything at a much higher resolution.

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I care little for the difference behind the lack of backwards compatibility. It still boils down to the fact that the older games won't work on it, correct?
True, but that's kinda like complaining a CD player can't play cassette tapes.
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Old 2013-02-23, 07:22   Link #225
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There's all this pushing of new stuff in consoles that makes me wonder if developers have lost sight of what consoles are wanted for in the first place. Of course, I can's speak for everyone, but what I'm interested for in a console is only three things: Is it region free, is it affordable, and what games can I play on it?
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Old 2013-02-23, 12:07   Link #226
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Never underestimate the draw of a game though. I bought a PS for FF 7. I bought a Wii for Xenoblade/Last Story. I bought a PSP for about three RPGs. Making, in an ironic sense, console games the most expensive games I've ever bought, when you factor in the hardware price, something people try to place on PC gaming.
A major reason I bought a new computer was to play newer games. And it was a hell of a lot more expensive than any console (excepting early PS3).
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Old 2013-02-23, 12:33   Link #227
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A major reason I bought a new computer was to play newer games. And it was a hell of a lot more expensive than any console (excepting early PS3).
There are plenty of people who actually need a very high end PC. Given people do a lot of work and multitasking having a high end PC is a good idea even if you don't really desperately need the processing power to run things, since the faster it is the better experience you have with everything you do.

On the other hand nobody really needs a console outside of gaming.

Honestly though who cares how much it costs or how many games it has, it's all a bunch of procrastination either way, the only question is really if you want it. Buying the system for a single game seems entirely reasonable to me, if that one game is all you need for your leisure time. But I'm probably in the minority here of just needing a good game, over a whole truck load of crappy ones.
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Old 2013-02-26, 08:40   Link #228
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And here comes the backpedaling.

Gara: The answer to the pre-owned question isn’t clarified just yet.

I trust Yoshida more than this guy but his answer was also kinda vague. Fuck off Sony if you do this.
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Old 2013-02-26, 16:00   Link #229
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Don't expect backwards compatibility for PS3 games on PS4 except through their streaming service. You can thank the cell for that. On the other hand, PS5 would probably be backwards compatible with PS4 games.
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Old 2013-02-26, 16:33   Link #230
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The ps4 doesn't sound like much of a improvement over the ps3 other then better specs.

i am going to wait for the 3d holographic game system.
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Old 2013-02-26, 17:27   Link #231
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And here comes the backpedaling.

Gara: The answer to the pre-owned question isnít clarified just yet.

I trust Yoshida more than this guy but his answer was also kinda vague. Fuck off Sony if you do this.
I strongly believe if they avoid answering the question, it is because the answer is bad. I just wish they tell us outright early.
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Old 2013-02-26, 19:08   Link #232
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Don't expect backwards compatibility for PS3 games on PS4 except through their streaming service. You can thank the cell for that. On the other hand, PS5 would probably be backwards compatible with PS4 games.
People were saying the same thing in regards to the PS3. That they'd make sure the PS4 was backwards compatible since the PS3 wasn't so much. And then they completely removed backwards compatability. I wouldn't expect them to care to add it back in on any future device.
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Old 2013-02-26, 19:12   Link #233
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People were saying the same thing in regards to the PS3. That they'd make sure the PS4 was backwards compatible since the PS3 wasn't so much. And then they completely removed backwards compatability. I wouldn't expect them to care to add it back in on any future device.
Yeah, there is too much incentive to force people to buy them all again via digital download. It is all about getting us to buy the same things multiple times and charge us each time.

Who cares about making a good product? Just milk more money from the same customers.
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Old 2013-02-26, 19:50   Link #234
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Yeah, there is too much incentive to force people to buy them all again via digital download. It is all about getting us to buy the same things multiple times and charge us each time.

Who cares about making a good product? Just milk more money from the same customers.
which is why i got that nes/snes emu on my phone
i am not buying the same game 3 or 4 different times.
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Old 2013-02-26, 20:21   Link #235
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People were saying the same thing in regards to the PS3. That they'd make sure the PS4 was backwards compatible since the PS3 wasn't so much. And then they completely removed backwards compatability. I wouldn't expect them to care to add it back in on any future device.
The reason they removed it for PS4 is because the PS4 uses a completely different architecture than the PS3. They'd need to create a software emulator to emulate the cell system on the PS4, which is much more work than they're willing to put in.

However, PS4 is pretty much just a PC, so unless they purposely try to obfuscate the system or the PS5 uses some crazy new architecture again, the PS5 should be pretty compatible with the PS4.
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Old 2013-02-27, 04:44   Link #236
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I'll bet money on the PS4 being able to download PS1, 2 and 3 games soon enough after being launched. Just like the "no backwards compatibility" PS3. So clearly there is a workaround.
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Old 2013-02-27, 05:41   Link #237
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The ps4 doesn't sound like much of a improvement over the ps3 other then better specs.

i am going to wait for the 3d holographic game system.
Well the PS3 had somewhat of a pioneering spirit, in terms of making something new. The PS4 on the other hand it basically off shelf parts customised to work efficiently with each other. IIRC PS4 is designed by western team, unlike the previous consoles, which explains the different direction it has.

Before anyone being brainwashed into the AMD's Jaguar APU hype, only becasue it is in the PS4, read this
Like the Wii U, the CPU is the weakest link in the PS4 package. Except for the GDDR5, and probably cooling, all the other component costs are relatively low. It wouldn't surprise me if it retails at around the £250/$350 mark at launch. (GBP is so weak now it is probably 1:1, when the console is on the market)
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Old 2013-02-27, 13:34   Link #238
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Supposedly most of it's cost is likely going to be mostly that crazy amount of GDDR5.

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The ps4 doesn't sound like much of a improvement over the ps3 other then better specs.

i am going to wait for the 3d holographic game system.
What would a holographic system have to do with the processing system. Sound to me like if such a system came into existance it would replace everything *but* the processing system.
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Old 2013-02-28, 11:30   Link #239
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I'll bet money on the PS4 being able to download PS1, 2 and 3 games soon enough after being launched. Just like the "no backwards compatibility" PS3. So clearly there is a workaround.
or maybe even use Gaikai's services to play older games.
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Old 2013-02-28, 13:12   Link #240
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I'll bet money on the PS4 being able to download PS1, 2 and 3 games soon enough after being launched. Just like the "no backwards compatibility" PS3. So clearly there is a workaround.
instead of allowing people to play games they already own. The new system will allow people the privilege to buy those games all over again. Better yet, a subscription system so people can keep paying every month for the privilege to play games they already own.
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