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Old 2013-09-09, 06:27   Link #1021
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There were like, what, 5 or 6 of them, right? They made some boring part (the Knack one) became much more awesome, honestly.
It was specifically the knack lady that was awesome

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I'm calling it Deep Down is either Demon's Souls re imagining or Dragons Dogma 2, I can't be the only one who thought the knight looked eerily similar to the DS Knight, am I?
Demon Soul + Assassin's Creed
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Old 2013-09-09, 07:02   Link #1022
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It was specifically the knack lady that was awesome
I dunno. The Yakuza guy also made me spit my drink.

"There are so many people. Don't talk. Be serious."
It's like I'm watching Hadena sub.

Talking about Yakuza, I heard some insider info that this one will come to the west, but a little bit later. Awesome news if that's true.
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Old 2013-09-09, 17:08   Link #1023
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Seems the next gen battle is concentrated in North America instead...
Don't forget Europe.

As such, you can understand from a business standpoint why the Japanese will have to wait three months for the PS4 (as PS4 will obviously be the dominant system in that region, while it will tighter in the western countries, with Sony wanting to ensure success there during the holiday season).
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Old 2013-09-09, 17:26   Link #1024
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Don't forget Europe.

As such, you can understand from a business standpoint why the Japanese will have to wait three months for the PS4 (as PS4 will obviously be the dominant system in that region, while it will tighter in the western countries, with Sony wanting to ensure success there during the holiday season).
I did forget about them - but mainly because XBone is not going to be there either.

I can kind of see why Sony would leave out Japan as the important areas:


1. Lack of a rival console system. WiiU isn't selling, XBone isnt there yet.
2. Fulfilling overseas orders comes first (Sony official reason, which leads to...)
3. Winning North America against XBone will pretty much guarantee them the victory for the generation (as XBone has concenrated all effort in North America)
4. Lack of JP launch titles. Somehow they havn't caught up yet, as most comes out next year, or for the Feb launch.
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Old 2013-09-10, 00:53   Link #1025
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Seems the next gen battle is concentrated in North America instead...
Precisely. North America is going to determine whether Microsoft is going to get overwhelmed. So far, I don't think it looks particularly well for them, but there's still a chance for them to recover.

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Don't forget Europe.
Europe has been Playstation territory since the PSX days. Microsoft's numbers there were so bad that it prompted them to add FIFA as a pack-in bonus. The chance of the PS4 relinquishing its hold in the region is just about non-existent.

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As such, you can understand from a business standpoint why the Japanese will have to wait three months for the PS4 (as PS4 will obviously be the dominant system in that region, while it will tighter in the western countries, with Sony wanting to ensure success there during the holiday season).
I think that it's largely Sony being conservative. It's probably a good idea in the long run as there really isn't any alternative for Japanese gamers interested in a new home console. (Other than the Vita, TV that is. )

Besides, while Japan isn't used to waiting, a three-month delay isn't a huge deal. Especially since it allows a number of Japanese staples to accompany the PS4 launch.
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Old 2013-09-10, 01:02   Link #1026
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Considering it's not region lock- There's no reason why Japanese gamers couldn't simply ship one over right? Assuming they REALLY want a PS4 asap and have the money to spend on it.
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Old 2013-09-10, 01:15   Link #1027
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Considering it's not region lock- There's no reason why Japanese gamers couldn't simply ship one over right? Assuming they REALLY want a PS4 asap and have the money to spend on it.
That's why they add a free Knack in for Japanese.

Beside, I don't think they could find any more PS4 in the US or EU anymore. Those area already stopped receive pre-order. Their biggest chance would be re-sell ones from ebay or the like, and we all know the horrible price of launched consoles.
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Old 2013-09-10, 01:26   Link #1028
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Both Sony and Microsoft have limits on pre-order numbers to ensure that there will be units on retail shelves at launch. I'd imagine that at least 30% are held back for this reason. Still, I imagine that only a relatively few fans will try to import.
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Old 2013-09-10, 02:30   Link #1029
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I did forget about them - but mainly because XBone is not going to be there either.

I can kind of see why Sony would leave out Japan as the important areas:


1. Lack of a rival console system. WiiU isn't selling, XBone isnt there yet.
2. Fulfilling overseas orders comes first (Sony official reason, which leads to...)
3. Winning North America against XBone will pretty much guarantee them the victory for the generation (as XBone has concenrated all effort in North America)
4. Lack of JP launch titles. Somehow they havn't caught up yet, as most comes out next year, or for the Feb launch.
1. Yep the Wii U failing worst than any mainline console in the history of gaming was a boon for Sony. It's hilarious seeing Nintendo apologists on neogaf act like the Wii U is selling the same as the $600 ps3. The worst month the $600 ps3 did in NPD was 81k, the Wii U has had several under 40k already.

And in Japan.. who the fuck cares about Mario Land Wii U when you can already play Mario Land 3DS on a system that's about to get Pokemon X/Y and Monster Hunter 4... lol?

3. If American sales for 360 and ps3 where switched this gen than the ps3 outsold the Wii. America is definitely the battlefield to try to win, or at least break even in instead of being a distant 3rd like this gen.

4. Way too many cross gen titles for ps4... yakuza, dynasty warriors, guilty gear... I'm still worried about its Japanese games. Though I guess WWS will announce a few games @ TGS, if people noticed Sony announced nothing new for the PS4 @ this conference.. so I expect Hot Shots Golf Ps4 as well as whatever Sony Japan and From Software are working on....

Oh and TLG... lol.
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Old 2013-09-10, 15:44   Link #1030
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Both Sony and Microsoft have limits on pre-order numbers to ensure that there will be units on retail shelves at launch. I'd imagine that at least 30% are held back for this reason.
I'm sure that Sony and Microsoft will also want to save some systems for Black Friday as well (unless you're including those systems with the 30% that's being held back).
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Old 2013-09-13, 16:42   Link #1031
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Europe has been Playstation territory since the PSX days.
Wrong. The Wii and the Xbox 360 were the kings here until recently. It's only last year that people got tired of their Xbox 360 and started buying PlayStation 3s.
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Old 2013-09-13, 17:31   Link #1032
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Wrong. The Wii and the Xbox 360 were the kings here until recently. It's only last year that people got tired of their Xbox 360 and started buying PlayStation 3s.
Not so. Sales numbers on Europe this generation were split about 50/50 between the 360 and the PS3 with individual countries swinging one way or another (Portugal for example has about 2/3 of the market for the PS3 while the UK apparently had a very strong 360 share). I'm not familiar with the Belgiun market personally but I'll take your word for it that the 360 outsold the PS3.

I'm ignoring the Wii numbers since they aren't actually relevant. Yes the Wii outsold every other system this past generation and yet the Attach rate (number of games bought per household) for the system was so low that it's not really relevant for anyone but Nintendo since first party games drove most of the sales there.
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Old 2013-09-13, 23:56   Link #1033
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Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance



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PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.

Microsoft is aware of the problem and, having recently upped the clock speed of Xbox One, is working hard to close the gap on PS4, though one developer we spoke to downplayed the move. “The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much,” he said. “Of course, something is better than nothing.”
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=676989
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Old 2013-09-14, 00:50   Link #1034
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It's even funnier that MS respond to that article

I think it's better they just keep silent until the launch date.

About the PS4, not only it's powerful, I'm glad to see Sony went out of their way to support low-middle size developers now. Hopefully we can get the glorious PS2 period back.
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Old 2013-09-14, 08:55   Link #1035
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It's even funnier that MS respond to that article

I think it's better they just keep silent until the launch date.

About the PS4, not only it's powerful, I'm glad to see Sony went out of their way to support low-middle size developers now. Hopefully we can get the glorious PS2 period back.
I love how the first few posts completely trash MS's response.
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Old 2013-09-14, 09:03   Link #1036
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At this point I only fear that MS might force 3rd parties to make PS4 releases match Xb1 in performance. That might appear far fetched and "too evil", but at this point I can believe anything.
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Old 2013-09-14, 09:08   Link #1037
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"The PS4 is better because of all these reasons and numbers and technical terms that you can quantify."

"The Xbox One is better because it's too difficult for you to understand so trust us when we say so."
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Old 2013-09-14, 09:39   Link #1038
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At this point I only fear that MS might force 3rd parties to make PS4 releases match Xb1 in performance. That might appear far fetched and "too evil", but at this point I can believe anything.
Actually, in that link. There was a unanimous gaming developers who said that they would do that.
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One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers.
If you read the comments on that link......there are a lot of people really piss and asking who this anonymous gaming developer is so that they could avoid them. I am one of them, a gaming developer purposely making a game bad only means they got money from Microsoft and are willing to slap us, the gamers, in the face. They forget that we the gamers decide which games will be a success which can result in the gaming developer losing he or she's job or keeping it.
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Old 2013-09-14, 09:54   Link #1039
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If they actually thought that, then why are they so willing to make superior versions of games for PS360 but make a shitty version for the Wii/WiiU? As you said, it's because Nintendo isn't paying them like Microsoft is.
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Old 2013-09-14, 09:59   Link #1040
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If they actually thought that, then why are they so willing to make superior versions of games for PS360 but make a shitty version for the Wii/WiiU? As you said, it's because Nintendo isn't paying them like Microsoft is.
Nintendo doesn't have the power to force developers to do things. Microsoft can. Microsoft can blackmail more easily than Nintendo, who have trouble getting third party support at all.
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