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Old 2012-04-27, 07:41   Link #61
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So how will this CISPA thing affect users outside of America?
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Old 2012-04-27, 09:29   Link #62
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Old 2012-04-27, 09:36   Link #63
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So how will this CISPA thing affect users outside of America?
I am interested to hear this as well!
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Old 2012-04-27, 14:04   Link #64
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That doesn't concern me. I don't look at anything illegal. Btw, is all anime pr0n legal (in the U.S.)? I mean, I don't look at smut much, just sometimes, but I feel a bit paranoid about this CISPA bill now. They won't care what private things you look at (smut) so long as it is legal and so long as you are not a 'target', right? If you became a so called target, then they would use such private things against you for background checks?
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Old 2012-04-27, 14:19   Link #65
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Btw, is all anime pr0n legal (in the U.S.)?
No, but the stuff that isn't is very obviously not legal. Just give it a good old logic test and you'll be fine. Only real logic test you need to use is: is this based on a child?
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Old 2012-04-27, 15:33   Link #66
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No, but the stuff that isn't is very obviously not legal. Just give it a good old logic test and you'll be fine. Only real logic test you need to use is: is this based on a child?
Er, no. That's not illegal. A drawing of a child or childlike representation in a sexual situation is not illegal, because no actual child was harmed drawing a picture. For a while Dubya tried to make lolicon illegal in America, but it was overturned by the Supreme Court for being unconstitutional.
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Old 2012-04-27, 15:56   Link #67
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Emphasis on *real* child.... I can't say that loud enough. Trying to assert laws to "protect fictional children" is bad law, bad psychology, and actually harmful to *real* children. Its also a vertical drop sort of "slippery slope" to thought policing and a major diversion of resources from *real* crime prevention.
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Old 2012-04-27, 17:04   Link #68
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Yeah, I would say that is pretty stupid if loli and shota smut was illegal, as not only are no real people involved, but the representation of people in anime art isn't even a realistic style and representation. Most people who look at that stuff are harmless, too. It is similar to how the majority of furries aren't actually sexually attracted to animals.
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Old 2012-04-27, 23:34   Link #69
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Btw, is all anime pr0n legal (in the U.S.)?
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No, but the stuff that isn't is very obviously not legal. Just give it a good old logic test and you'll be fine. Only real logic test you need to use is: is this based on a child?
i think no one's ever been V& in the States for dowloading/uploading 2d

importing iffy otaku hardcopy stuff on the other hand gets Immigrations and Customs Enforcement's attention and you get hammered with obscenity charges (see Handley case)



as for anime pr0n scene in the US (DVD Region 1 / BD Region A)... my impression is that H-titles with lolis are deemed ok/passable (for licensing) as long as there's a disclaimer somewhere that lolis being depicted in it are 18 or plus (even though it's not)
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Old 2012-04-28, 05:12   Link #70
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The reason for this might very well be, that for now finding out the contents of any up/download needs some investigation, while on border entry, you get searched anyway. So if they happen to find it there, you are in trouble. Which means, the laws exist. It's just a question of enforcing them.

However the overall goal of all these information acts is, to routinely screen and record everything you do online. Once this is implemented and a bit of database mining spits out the names of anyone that has ever transfered or recieved a given file, you will get in trouble for it.

Or, let's say, there is then the possibility to get prosecuted for all kinds of petty 'crimes'. Wether that actually happens is at the sole disposal of your overlords, so better not make them angry.
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Old 2012-04-28, 05:17   Link #71
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Animated stuff with loli's is illegal in New South Wales, Australia (some guy was convicted for having Simpsons pr0n) - maybe some other states now, or at least stuff that could e construed as a 'child'. Side note: small breasted porn stars are illegal in South Australia, because they could be seen as child porn... yeah.
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Old 2012-04-28, 13:15   Link #72
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i think no one's ever been V& in the States for dowloading/uploading 2d
Maybe not by itself, but it can add on to other charges, ones that would cause your computer to be searched (example, real child porn, and then they find drawn versions too). But it has to be obviously child-based. I don't think "high school" or possibly even "middle school" would count in this case, as one could theoretically make a deniability claim.
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Old 2012-04-28, 13:20   Link #73
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Er, no. That's not illegal. A drawing of a child or childlike representation in a sexual situation is not illegal, because no actual child was harmed drawing a picture. For a while Dubya tried to make lolicon illegal in America, but it was overturned by the Supreme Court for being unconstitutional.
...that was a thing here?
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Old 2012-04-28, 13:31   Link #74
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...that was a thing here?
It is good to pay attention to what the politicians and courts are doing...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_O...Protection_Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_p..._United_States

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US law discriminates between pornographic images of an actual minor, realistic images that are not of an actual minor, and non-realistic images such as drawings. The latter two categories are legally protected unless found to be obscene, whereas the first does not require a finding of obscenity.
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Old 2012-04-29, 06:58   Link #75
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Good luck trying to find pornographic images that are not considered to be obscene.

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In a legal context, the term obscenity is most often used to describe expressions (words, images, actions) of an explicitly sexual nature.
There seems to be quite some redundancy in there.
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Old 2012-04-29, 19:09   Link #76
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"Obscenity" is purely in the mind of the *beholder*, no matter how hard the witchburners would like to make it an explicit external attribute. All they can hope for is a social consensus (and those are always in flux).
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Old 2012-04-29, 20:14   Link #77
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US law discriminates between pornographic images of an actual minor, realistic images that are not of an actual minor, and non-realistic images such as drawings. The latter two categories are legally protected unless found to be obscene, whereas the first does not require a finding of obscenity.
So...loli and shota smut is illegal in the U.S.? I'm inquiring about animu art, not 3D renderings.
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Old 2012-04-29, 21:00   Link #78
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So...loli and shota smut is illegal in the U.S.? I'm inquiring about animu art, not 3D renderings.
I didn't say that ---
They distinguish different categories between
1) Actual real child porn (definitely illegal to produce or own)
2) realistic digital art not of an actual minor
3) non-realistic images

Some countries have made "ink and paper" a crime (thought crime and censorship).
As http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROTECT_Act_of_2003 notes, current law in the US is contradictory and rulings have been contradictory. Specifically, item 2 (Whorley case) and item 3 (Handley case) have been ruled on and not appealed; whereas the Supreme Court has ruled that item 2 and 3 are protected free speech since no minor was actually involved.

Basically, its a murky mess and the answer is YES *and* NO. IF someone decides to make an example of you, they could smear you pretty good by cherry-picking images. Basically, the less informed about art styles the viewer (authority) is, the more likely they are to have an erroneous reaction to it.
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Old 2012-04-30, 03:14   Link #79
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The reality of the situation is nobody gets tossed in prison just for having loli h-manga or whatever. Usually those kinds of charges are used by authorities trying to get the person for something else entirely but they use the "questionable" charge to keep them within arm's length while they get more evidence on the real case.
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Old 2013-04-20, 04:40   Link #80
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Anonymous calls for ‘Internet Blackout Day’ to protest CISPA [video]:

"Hacker collective Anonymous this week called for a massive online protest against
CISPA to occur on April 22nd through an “Internet Blackout Day” by asking “web
developers and website owners to go dark” and to also “display a message as to
why you are going dark, and encourage others to do the same.” The group’s call for
an online blackout day echoes a similar protest that occurred last year against the
Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in which Reddit and Wikipedia both went dark to
protest the bill while Google blacked out its famous Google doodle to symbolize its
opposition."

See:

http://news.yahoo.com/anonymous-call...223019539.html
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