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Old 2013-03-26, 05:24   Link #2281
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but rather than summary iwant complete vol 9.5 and 10 ilustration
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Old 2013-03-26, 17:03   Link #2282
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She was sent far away to Tamba to subjugate the land.

Things that irk me about Monkey-Nobuna relationship are:

- They don't have the guts to tell Juubei about their relationship, in fear that Juubei will leave the Oda Clan. In the end it will still be SaruxNobuna so prolonging this makes them look stupid, or may be the author lacks the creativity.
- While Juubei repeatedly disturbed them before they could have sex may make her looks annoying to some, I found it annoying that the author keeps someone as awesome as Juubei to have her unrequited love for so long, and the author don't have any other way/artistry to stop the sex without Juubei at the scene.
- Nobuna wants to give Japan to Juubei after it has being united, although Juubei has repeatedly decline that. I don't particularly think Nobuna is a great leader, so Nobuna thinking of handing over the land makes me want to punch her face hard.
- When Nobuna said to Yoshiharu (in vol 6 before Juubei came to show the Sakamoto castle) that she will try to subjugate the land without spilling much blood, it reminds me what Akechi Mitsuhide did to Tamba, so why not give the job to Juubei already.
- Saru being alive stopped Nobuna from burning the Mt Hiei, but Juubei who saved Saru directly and Nobuna indirectly will be going to be left in dust? Fuck you

Lol no. Juubei drank the medicine first hoping that it will cure her headache, not knowing it was a aprosidiac. Nobuna who saw what the medicine did to Juubei followed suit, even though Juubei had warned her.
Translator of Nobuna passing through...

FYI, Nobuna had said it VERY VERY VERY VERY clear to Juubei... here is a translation of that exact scene.



Spoiler for Vol 7:

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Old 2013-03-26, 17:23   Link #2283
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Translator of Nobuna passing through...

FYI, Nobuna had said it VERY VERY VERY VERY clear to Juubei... here is a translation of that exact scene.



Spoiler for Vol 7:
Ugh, Mitsuhide's perpetual density really is insufferable. These exchanges, the latter in particular, should have completely dissolved her naivety and the repetitive triangle antics that are inevitably borne from it.
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Old 2013-03-26, 17:39   Link #2284
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Well, people, let's just that quite a few bridges are burned down in volume 10.
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Old 2013-03-26, 19:26   Link #2285
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Translator of Nobuna passing through...

FYI, Nobuna had said it VERY VERY VERY VERY clear to Juubei... here is a translation of that exact scene.



Spoiler for Vol 7:
And that is vol 7. Did Nobuna ordered her to back off when Juubei came visiting Yohshiharu in vol 8? They heard Juubei's voice when she was searching for her princess, and still want to hide their relationship at the end of vol 9. And Saru even said social difference matters not to them. Why haven't Nobuna relinquished her position if as a ruler if she's so want to be with Saru, being incompetent and all? Did Saru and Nobuna tell Juubei and the whole world repeatedly that he is not interested in Juubei, instead? Why do they insist of keeping Juubei in Oda Clan, Saru knowing that Juubei will probably betray Nobuna?

Other lies include Ryouma Sakamoto being her grandchildren, where as it was Mitsuhide's adopted son is the ancestor for Ryouma.
And in the anime, Saru telling Juubei that she will sail the world with Nobuna?
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Old 2013-03-26, 20:01   Link #2286
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And that is vol 7. Did Nobuna ordered her to back off when Juubei came visiting Yohshiharu in vol 8? They heard Juubei's voice when she was searching for her princess, and still want to hide their relationship at the end of vol 9. And Saru even said social difference matters not to them. Why haven't Nobuna relinquished her position if as a ruler if she's so want to be with Saru, being incompetent and all? Did Saru and Nobuna tell Juubei and the whole world repeatedly that he is not interested in Juubei, instead? Why do they insist of keeping Juubei in Oda Clan, Saru knowing that Juubei will probably betray Nobuna?

Other lies include Ryouma Sakamoto being her grandchildren, where as it was Mitsuhide's adopted son is the ancestor for Ryouma.
And in the anime, Saru telling Juubei that she will sail the world with Nobuna?
Justpassingby, my friend, just from reading that, Nobuna made it very clear. All the information there is not needed, if it has already been made clear to Akechi face to face. Its more like Akechi is denying the truth of the relationship. Politically, there may be reasons to keep the relationship a secret. Also, Akechi been there for a while and already notice that Sagara isn't the type to bend towards Nobuna will even if she demands it, pretty much of the retainers that are part of the Oda clan already notice this.

Also thanks Tarmade for making this clear and also thank for you for continuing the translations. I really enjoy your work.

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Old 2013-03-26, 20:11   Link #2287
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And that is vol 7. Did Nobuna ordered her to back off when Juubei came visiting Yohshiharu in vol 8? They heard Juubei's voice when she was searching for her princess, and still want to hide their relationship at the end of vol 9. And Saru even said social difference matters not to them. Why haven't Nobuna relinquished her position if as a ruler if she's so want to be with Saru, being incompetent and all? Did Saru and Nobuna tell Juubei and the whole world repeatedly that he is not interested in Juubei, instead? Why do they insist of keeping Juubei in Oda Clan, Saru knowing that Juubei will probably betray Nobuna?

Other lies include Ryouma Sakamoto being her grandchildren, where as it was Mitsuhide's adopted son is the ancestor for Ryouma.
And in the anime, Saru telling Juubei that she will sail the world with Nobuna?
Lemme see...

Did Nobuna ordered her to back off when Juubei came visiting Yohshiharu in vol 8?

>If u mean the tea party where Juubei and Nobuna was supposedly molested by Yoshiharu... den it's becoz Nobuna had organise the tea as a pretext to get close to Yoshiharu, after Juubei came uninvited, she can't just dismiss the tea party like that, and she does have some official matters to talk to Yoshiharu...

They heard Juubei's voice when she was searching for her princess, and still want to hide their relationship at the end of vol 9.

>This is because of the importance of Juubei in Oda clan... Juubei is the de facto 2nd in charge. She is a genius, had good relationships with people in the government, high EQ and isn't held down by tradition, she understands Nobuna's dreams and is willing to achieve them with Nobuna, making her a precious and irreplaceable comrade.

If they had expose their relationship, assuming Juubei had finally understood their relationship clearly, it will mean one of the two things, both Yoshiharu and Juubei leaving the oda clan, or Juubei herself leaving... And that would be detrimental to the clan as a whole.

Why haven't Nobuna relinquished her position if as a ruler if she's so want to be with Saru, being incompetent and all?

>For starters, i do not think Nobuna is incompetent, though i do not realli wanna talk about this issue. The main reason why Nobuna did not want to relinquish her position is because she is being responsible for all the lives that has been entrusted to her from the start of the war. She can't just do a Asai Nagamasa and "die" for this exact reason. She had said it clearly, unless she truly dies, she will fight on and strive for her dream. Love aside, she is being very clear headed on what is correct and what is wrong.


Did Saru and Nobuna tell Juubei and the whole world repeatedly that he is not interested in Juubei, instead?

>In terms of Saru, i must admit he did not make it very clear to Juubei that he is not interested in her. But let's face it, Saru is a perverted teenager that will get excited at any girl... Though his heart is with Nobuna, his love for bishoujos and lust for them makes him unable to break any of their hearts. For Nobuna, i think she had left it to Yoshiharu to handle talking to Juubei.


Why do they insist of keeping Juubei in Oda Clan, Saru knowing that Juubei will probably betray Nobuna?

>Well, i have explained the reasons above. And if Saru really abandon Juubei just because he knows of the hounouji event, then he can just not save her at vol3... As i have said, Saru is kind and gentle to all bishoujos and will NEVER let any of them die if he can help it...


Other lies include Ryouma Sakamoto being her grandchildren, where as it was Mitsuhide's adopted son is the ancestor for Ryouma.
And in the anime, Saru telling Juubei that she will sail the world with Nobuna?

>As for these, well, i'm no expert in the history of Japan and so i will just take it like you said... Maybe Saru had not known about the fact that the son is adopted? In japan, if im not wrong, adopted sons and actual sons are kinda hard to tell, unless someone clarify it...

And it's true that Saru ask Juubei along with them to sail the world. Thing is, the plan for them after they had conquered japan is for Motoyasu to guard Japan. She had demonstrated exceedingly well skills in maintaining status quo and keeping the government in a good state, as per Yoshiharu's knowledge of japan's history. As for Juubei, she is already considered to be a close friend to both Saru and Nobuna, and her position as 2nd in charge is enough for a seat with them to sail the world... Though i must admit its cruel to allow a rival in love to witness their lovey dovey moments...
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Old 2013-03-26, 20:54   Link #2288
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I must admit, the anime left a lot of material out of the Light Novel. While I understand some were taken out due to audience rating to keep it at PG-13, there were some that would have been great to add. Oda Nobuna no Yabou wasn't really known to the public so it must have had a small budget, but it was still very good. Almost 2 volumes are completely translated and 1 is just getting started, it has been a great read.
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Old 2013-03-26, 21:01   Link #2289
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In vol 8, when Yoshiharu had a talk with Hanbei, Kanbei, and Zenki regarding Nobuna's fate, one of his monolog implied that he is willing to become the demon to stop Juubei. So why wait till it will become too late?


Regarding Nobuna's competency, you can even use the author's own words in a radius of 10 pages or the whole volumes to make her incompetent, and her so called 'genius' can easily be done by Juubei, Hanbei, and Kanbei. The author's attempt to force Nobuna's awesomeness" doesn't work on me, so stop it already.

Juubei becomes neurotic due to her hardworks is a mirror to many other books and taiga drama King of Zipang, so she became deluded and obsessive with Nobuna and Saru is a decided thing since they saved Juubei in vol 3 and Juubei saved Nobuna and Saru in vol 4 and 9. And like Jung said, neurosis is the most annoying disease in the world, but it does help the victim to show their true potentials and if not for the neurosis, they will not be held on the ground.

Saving a neurotic is a far better challenge and interesting than having a story about a crybaby.

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Old 2013-03-26, 21:07   Link #2290
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In vol 8, when Yoshiharu had a talk with Hanbei, Kanbei, and Zenki regarding Nobuna's fate, one of his monolog implied that he is willing to become the demon to stop Juubei. So why wait till it will become too late?


Regarding Nobuna's competency, you can even use the author's own words in a radius of 10 pages or the whole volumes to make her incompetent, and her so called 'genius' can easily be done by Juubei, Hanbei, and Kanbei. The author attempt to force Nobuna's awesomeness" doesn't work on me, so stop it already.

Juubei becomes neurotic due to her hardworks is a mirror to many other books and taiga drama King of Zipang, so she became delude and obsessive with Nobuna and Saru is a decided thing since they saved Juubei in vol 3 and Juubei saved Nobuna and Saru in vol 4 and 9. And like Jung said, neurosis is the most annoying disease in the world, but it does help the victim to show their true potentials and if not for the neurosis, they will not be held on the ground.

Saving a neurotic is a far better challenge and interesting than having a story about a crybaby.

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Everyone is incline to have opinions, views will differ time to time. I understand what you are saying, but I don't think that it is either Black or White in this circumstance. Also, there may be more information that haven't been translated to give a better understanding. Surely a couple of paragraphs will not do.
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Old 2013-03-26, 21:12   Link #2291
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And it's true that Saru ask Juubei along with them to sail the world. Thing is, the plan for them after they had conquered japan is for Motoyasu to guard Japan. She had demonstrated exceedingly well skills in maintaining status quo and keeping the government in a good state, as per Yoshiharu's knowledge of japan's history. As for Juubei, she is already considered to be a close friend to both Saru and Nobuna, and her position as 2nd in charge is enough for a seat with them to sail the world... Though i must admit its cruel to allow a rival in love to witness their lovey dovey moments...
And you missed the fact that Nobuna wanted to sail with Yoshiharu only and give the Japan to Juubei.
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Old 2013-03-26, 21:32   Link #2292
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in being leader one has to be charismatic. it is not enough just being a genius. see these examples;

liu bang/ han gaozu, cao cao mengde, zhu yuanzhang (ming hongwu).

minamoto yoritomo, Kampaku Taiko,

adolf hitler, ben gurion, FDR, Truman, Stalin, Mao zedong.

Tatcher , Soekarno, Soeharto, Lee Kuan Yew, Mahathir, Saddam, Ayatollah....

i gave those examples not for their geniuses but for their charisma and their courage for taking decisive action.


Nobuna up till now i can say is such effective leader. her courage and decisive action during okehazama, march to kyoto , kanegazaki, hiei san, subjugation of sakai and asai asakura campaing was impressive feat..



you should not judge her baselessly due to some of her stupid teenager feeling. it is good enough for her not confuse her trivial private matter with her job and undermining task of unification.


i don't want to see anothwr leader like liu bei xuande who can not settle and put aside his personal feeling and recklessly wage war.
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Okay.............looks like the heated argument is over, so lets have some fun discussing alright?

Lets start out with the ending of volume 1, chapter 6.
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Nobukatsu who was at the side was touching his own buttocks and crying, like a frail girl sitting at a corner, he was biting his own clothes too. As for what really happened in Okehazama, everyone was afraid to ask.
Any ideas why Nobukatsu was rubbing his behind and crying after Okehazama? I have an idea, but it seems a little to well......too obvious.......... ............yeah that is the word I think I am looking for.

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Old 2013-03-26, 22:41   Link #2294
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I can't seem to find the quote but there was an ancient Chinese ruler who said something along the lines of how he may not be as militarily-gifted as his generals or as administratively-capable as his advisors, but it's precisely because he had such talented people serving him that made him an effective ruler. I guess Nobuna is in the same position. She may not be as competent as her retainers, but her ability to identify, unite, and manage these talented people is her most important attribute.
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Damn you guys! Not one of u r talking about the new vol
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Damn you guys! Not one of u r talking about the new vol
Haven't been much info about it, care to share?
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the manga show a bit that he was escorted by imagawa soldier for some "personal fun".

as shiguma rikka says .... a fun between pretty boys which involves unexistant fictional holes.

but it also count of rites of genpuku where he reached adulthood with recreational activity that is healthy. mori ranmaru was said to be taught personally by oda nobunaga.

@frivolity.

you are talking about Liu Bang, Emperor Gaozu of Han who praised Han Xin , Zhang Liang and Xiao He

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only about Juubei or Akechi Mitsuhide getting raped, netorared and mindbreaked. and it was shared by justpassingby.
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Everyone is incline to have opinions, views will differ time to time. I understand what you are saying, but I don't think that it is either Black or White in this circumstance. Also, there may be more information that haven't been translated to give a better understanding. Surely a couple of paragraphs will not do.
And why do I need a translation?

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in being leader one has to be charismatic. it is not enough just being a genius. see these examples;

liu bang/ han gaozu, cao cao mengde, zhu yuanzhang (ming hongwu).

minamoto yoritomo, Kampaku Taiko,

adolf hitler, ben gurion, FDR, Truman, Stalin, Mao zedong.

Tatcher , Soekarno, Soeharto, Lee Kuan Yew, Mahathir, Saddam, Ayatollah....

i gave those examples not for their geniuses but for their charisma and their courage for taking decisive action.


Nobuna up till now i can say is such effective leader. her courage and decisive action during okehazama, march to kyoto , kanegazaki, hiei san, subjugation of sakai and asai asakura campaing was impressive feat..



you should not judge her baselessly due to some of her stupid teenager feeling. it is good enough for her not confuse her trivial private matter with her job and undermining task of unification.


i don't want to see anothwr leader like liu bei xuande who can not settle and put aside his personal feeling and recklessly wage war.
When the cat temple hold Yoshiharu in vol 6, Nobuna said it is better to lose the guy to the cat girls instead of Juubei. Nobuna herself waged war with Mt Hiei and Honbyouji because of personal feelings.

And please. Don't even dare to put Nobuna on the same level of those great leaders you've mentioned. I don't feel charisma from her in the novel and the anime. She's an idiot for choosing Juubei as her successor which also lacks charisma to lead, proving that she does not know her underlings well.

In the end, it's all about picking a side isn't it? I felt injustice was done on Juubei just to further Nobuna's love story, and I'm angry at 2ch people that wanted Juubei to die so that they can finally have sex. .

Well I'm firmly believe and hope that Nobuna will get a happy end with Saru as she deserves it, but how about Juubei's feelings toward Saru and Nobuna?
How many of Nobuna's fans will be happy if they ended 3P? Hell right now I'll take Ranmaru will make Juubei's happy, and his/her arrival is long overdue.

Speaking of 'picking side', you know that if I've decided to hate Politics 101 in Space, it will be not that hard to argue why it doesn't deserve a Seiun using the author's own words. Luckily, I'm a fan . There is no perfect authors, but Mikage's Nobunaga reincarnation is definitely the worst one in recent memory. Hoping Kawamori will do something about this.

And uhh, no. I just shared that someone attempted to rape Juubei, no conclusive words. You dummy
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I think justpassingby will rage when he finds out what bridges Nobuna burned down in volume 10.
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