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Old 2013-04-06, 20:57   Link #101
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Anyway, I found the pacing in the first half to be a bit odd. Perhaps I wanted more back story on Gareki. Nai is a mystery in the manga, but his story is reveled as time passes by. I actually don't remember about Gareki.
I actually like how they skip forward. After all, a good portion of the early plot isn't that important, on the other hand, getting Yogi, who is part of the main character trio, to appear quickly is top priority.

I am already excited that he is already appearing next episode.

Of the relationship of the main trio, I find it to be more of familial love.
Yogi feel like a unreliable and weak willed big brother that is really good at taking care of the two youngsters. Gareki is the more independent one who has an attitude but is growing up. Nai is like a wishful little brother who and is as dependent on their relationship as Yogi.
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Old 2013-04-06, 23:34   Link #102
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I actually like how they skip forward. After all, a good portion of the early plot isn't that important, on the other hand, getting Yogi, who is part of the main character trio, to appear quickly is top priority.

I am already excited that he is already appearing next episode.

Of the relationship of the main trio, I find it to be more of familial love.
Yogi feel like a unreliable and weak willed big brother that is really good at taking care of the two youngsters. Gareki is the more independent one who has an attitude but is growing up. Nai is like a wishful little brother who and is as dependent on their relationship as Yogi.
I am happy he is appearing so early. I was worried we'd go maybe 1/5 to 1/4 of the show and not see him.

And I think a trio of brothers is the best way to describe them too. Lol such an odd bunch.
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Old 2013-04-07, 02:03   Link #103
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I cannot find Karneval anywhere!
Is there a different name that I should be searching with?
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Old 2013-04-07, 02:07   Link #104
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No BL-hint i suppose, it's just your usual bromance that you can find in many shounen manga. Although it seems like the bishonen look on the protags rubs some people the wrong way
In other words, the low largely forgotten term shounen-ai seems to fit perfectly.
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Old 2013-04-07, 02:08   Link #105
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I cannot find Karneval anywhere!
Is there a different name that I should be searching with?
I think the title is simply Karneval. IMO It's pretty easy to find in anime streaming & download sites. Just look more closely.

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In other words, the low largely forgotten term shounen-ai seems to fit perfectly.
My bad (since the question is from me), I thought Yaoi, Shounen-ai and BL are the same thing . Maybe BL is stronger in sexual department? Tbh, this kind of genre is not my favorite so I don't know the differences XP.
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Old 2013-04-07, 02:09   Link #106
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I think the title is simply Karneval. IMO It's pretty easy to find in anime streaming & download sites.
Meh, I searched that in a Download site but did not find a thing.
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Old 2013-04-07, 02:39   Link #107
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Meh, I searched that in a Download site but did not find a thing.
Not a download side, but gooddrama should have it, alone with animefreak tv.


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In other words, the low largely forgotten term shounen-ai seems to fit perfectly.
Lol yeah I guess that fits the best, but even that may be a slight stretch. Certainly not yaoi or anything. I feel like BL encompasses both terms.

Speaking of that, I really like Nai and Gareki's relationship. They tend to juxtapose each other nicely, with Nai's innocence and naïveté acting as a foil to Gareki's more hardened view and methods.
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Old 2013-04-07, 02:40   Link #108
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In other words, the low largely forgotten term shounen-ai seems to fit perfectly.
Shounen-ai's more like Hakkenden. This one is too mild for that term
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Old 2013-04-07, 02:43   Link #109
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My bad (since the question is from me), I thought Yaoi, Shounen-ai and BL are the same thing . Maybe BL is stronger in sexual department? Tbh, this kind of genre is not my favorite so I don't know the differences XP.
BL encomass both yaoi and shounen-ai.
Yaoi is the more sexual term, while shounen-ai is the mild term.
But both terms indicates the romantic love between boys.

Though, this show is even milder than that. The relationship between the main trio is truly brotherly and familial.
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Old 2013-04-07, 04:59   Link #110
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Well, when the name of 07 Ghost came up as a model, shounen-ai was certainly what came to mind...
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Old 2013-04-07, 05:28   Link #111
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I never saw Ghost-07 so I can't compare but I didn't even see mild BL hints from the manga-ka. However I think the relationships are written in a way to appeal to female fans.

Also lets not ignore the fact that it is not a trio but a quartet and the 4th character is a girl.
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Old 2013-04-07, 10:28   Link #112
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My bad (since the question is from me), I thought Yaoi, Shounen-ai and BL are the same thing . Maybe BL is stronger in sexual department? Tbh, this kind of genre is not my favorite so I don't know the differences XP.
In yaoi animes, you get to see romance in action (do you get my drift, lol), while shounen-ai does not involve sex. I personally prefer shounen-ai more than yaoi cause the plot in yaoi animes are usually less than satisfactory, since the concern is on the, you know, sex. If you want to get a taste of yaoi animes, you can pm me and I will tell you of a certain place.


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BL encomass both yaoi and shounen-ai.
Yaoi is the more sexual term, while shounen-ai is the mild term.
But both terms indicates the romantic love between boys.

Though, this show is even milder than that. The relationship between the main trio is truly brotherly and familial.
I can't agree more. As a female, I certainly like to convince myself that romantic interest is involved, but in Karneval, I just couldn't get the feeling no matter how hard I try.

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Well, when the name of 07 Ghost came up as a model, shounen-ai was certainly what came to mind...
I know it's hard to believe that it's not shounen-ai given the character designs and the overpopulated male characters, but shounen-ai is not present in 07-Ghost. It's easy, is it not, for you guys out there to perceive that if an anime/manga has plenty of bishounens and strong bonds between characters, then the anime/manga falls under yaoi/shounen-ai genre. I understand, but I would like to emphasize that it's not always the case.I think this misconception partly stems from yaoi/shounen-ai fandoms.

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Old 2013-04-07, 10:47   Link #113
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I think this misconception partly stems from yaoi/shounen-ai fandoms.
Exactly, honestly just because the fandom is heavily yaoi/shounen-ai does not mean that is what the manga-ka was hinting at.

I think any m/m relationship (even if they don't like each other in the story but have some type of interaction) whatever it actually is, is going to create a fujoshi fandom. That's almost a given. And it doesn't even have to be aimed at female fandom.

But at this point because of how these fandoms have come to be I think even some guys start imagining it is there when it's really not.
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Old 2013-04-07, 10:58   Link #114
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Shounen-ai =/= strong suggestive bromance. So unless actual romance is involved the likes of 07-Ghost & Karneval do not count. Hakkenden doesn't count either despite Genpachi's character, since it's being played as more of a running gag than anything serious. They're are all just big cockteases.
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Old 2013-04-07, 11:33   Link #115
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If you want to get a taste of yaoi animes, you can pm me and I will tell you of a certain place.
Thank you very much, but no thanx. If I haven’t “tasted” any yaoi anime so far, that’s for a reason (you should know what it is. Me being a straight guy and all ).

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It's easy, is it not, for you guys out there to perceive that if an anime/manga has plenty of bishounens and strong bonds between characters, then the anime/manga falls under yaoi/shounen-ai genre. I understand, but I would like to emphasize that it's not always the case.I think this misconception partly stems from yaoi/shounen-ai fandoms.
Oh, some guys do understand it. For example, those who like Saint Seiya franchise like me. There are hordes of bishounens in it (some even very pretty and feminin) but no BL-vibe, save for a certain awkward scene (even though all the fans know that there’s no suggestive meaning in it). So, many guys won’t be easily driven away by a large number of bishounens by default. It’s the BL-vibe that matters. We’re also able to like reverse-harem as long as the characters and the story is well-written and interesting ^^.
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Old 2013-04-07, 11:59   Link #116
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Thank you very much, but no thanx. If I haven’t “tasted” any yaoi anime so far, that’s for a reason (you should know what it is. Me being a straight guy and all ).
My bad, for some reason you gave off the she-vibe, so I thought you were female

Anyway, my advice to those who are curious but not sure if there is any BL vibes, the best thing to do is to watch a couple of episodes first and then decide it for yourself.
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Old 2013-04-07, 12:11   Link #117
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My bad, for some reason you gave off the she-vibe, so I thought you were female
I’m giving a she-vibe? Really?! Wow...that’s the first time anyone ever said that to me. I don't know what to make of it .
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Old 2013-04-07, 15:19   Link #118
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Well.....that was about as helpful as Id expected I thought they couldnt make the start to the manga anymore confusing, the anime succeeded XD Im in for the long run though, Ive loved this manga since it came out. And Kamiyan as Gareki is perfect
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Old 2013-04-07, 15:25   Link #119
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I thought they couldnt make the start to the manga anymore confusing, the anime succeeded XD
I have to agree with that fully.
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Old 2013-04-07, 15:27   Link #120
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Wow... been reading the manga for a very very long time and now there's an anime! Yeah!

But yes, it may give off a shounen-ai feel at times but it's definitely not. Just like 07 Ghost and a few others.

On the other hand, somehow I'm still a bit bothered by Tsukumo's golden hair. It should be more of a mix of platinum and gold.
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