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Old 2013-03-10, 11:07   Link #61
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Yes it always made me smile when people were looking forward to some bloodbath early on in psycho-pass,that's just not how Gen works.

I also perfectly understand why some people wanted to see Kagari's body since if I've learned something from fate zero and Phantom is that with Gen your really shouldn't assume someone's dead unless you see their body.

I've always been curious about Requiem for the Phantom's ending,I don't mind it at all but it caused quite an uproar and from my understanding the very end is anime original,it makes me wonder how much he approves of it.

Spoiler for madoka magica + ending of requiem for the phantom:
Yeah but..

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So, I'll believe that Urobutcher will play nice when the last few minutes of the last episode ends.
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Old 2013-03-10, 12:33   Link #62
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I agree that Urobuchi doesn't just use "death" to shock the audience. The fact that the audience was shocked at Mami's death was more because of the genre, but Urobuchi's deaths are not just pointless and do move the story in important ways.

However I wouldn't say that Urobuchi never relies on shock value (although perhaps this is more the director's fault not Urobuchi).

For example some of the violent scenes in Psycho Pass (especially during the riots) were a bit too much for me. I didn't really like how the rape scene was done in the first episode either.

And in Fate Zero the scene with Rin's mom and Kariya I felt was also over the top.

I just felt some of those scenes were a bit much!
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Old 2013-03-10, 15:24   Link #63
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Urobuchi Gen is not about body counts. There are countless shows that put out tons of carnage for the audience. And yes, his deaths also tend to serve a point. The infamy of Urobuchi Gen is the sheer despair he manages to bring to the audience with the deaths of his characters.

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Old 2013-03-10, 15:58   Link #64
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I agree that Urobuchi doesn't just use "death" to shock the audience. The fact that the audience was shocked at Mami's death was more because of the genre, but Urobuchi's deaths are not just pointless and do move the story in important ways.

However I wouldn't say that Urobuchi never relies on shock value (although perhaps this is more the director's fault not Urobuchi).

For example some of the violent scenes in Psycho Pass (especially during the riots) were a bit too much for me. I didn't really like how the rape scene was done in the first episode either.

And in Fate Zero the scene with Rin's mom and Kariya I felt was also over the top.

I just felt some of those scenes were a bit much!
I don't think he embellishes death scenes (you know, in that ridiculously gorey Another or Blood+ way) but he's very blunt and "real" with his death scenes.

That was my main takeaway from Mami's death scene. That death is going to be very realistic in a Gen work, and you may well not get the cliche bit where the fallen hero gets to voice some final words to his or her comrades.


Of course, this could make his deaths more disturbing for some. Some probably laugh off Another and Blood+ because it's so insanely over-the-top. You can't really do that with a Gen death, imo.
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Old 2013-03-10, 16:08   Link #65
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Triple, Gen is messing with us, perhaps.

"Oh, you thought someone would die here... nope, they have to serve a purpose still, and maybe it'd be better if they died now... but too bad!"

I need to catch up on PP though. /dodges trash thrown in my direction
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Old 2013-03-10, 16:12   Link #66
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I don't think he embellishes death scenes (you know, in that ridiculously gorey Another or Blood+ way) but he's very blunt and "real" with his death scenes.

That was my main takeaway from Mami's death scene. That death is going to be very realistic in a Gen work, and you may well not get the cliche bit where the fallen hero gets to voice some final words to his or her comrades.


Of course, this could make his deaths more disturbing for some. Some probably laugh off Another and Blood+ because it's so insanely over-the-top. You can't really do that with a Gen death, imo.
But all those scenes I mentioned weren't death scenes

When I say over-the-top I don't mean in the Blood-C variety but the violence and disturbing aspect of those scenes linger too much for me, if I have one criticism of Gen.

But like I said I am not really sure if Gen or the director is at fault in these cases.
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Triple, Gen is messing with us, perhaps.
I like that idea.

That Gen knows his reputation precedes him, and so is intentionally playing against it to surprise people.
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I like that idea.

That Gen knows his reputation precedes him, and so is intentionally playing against it to surprise people.
Well, personally I've always hated the term "death flag", as if there's a schedule for someone to die, lol. I feel that a lot of us would complain that it's too predictable.

In high levels of any game, players know that there's a certain pattern that exists and other players and the audience run along those expectations. But they get that extra edge by using this against them. The same goes for experienced writers like Gen. And then they flip the table by doing the predictable thing we overlook, because it's too predictable.

He is a Dangerously Genre Savvy Villain, Triple. So he knows what we think he knows. :S
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Old 2013-03-10, 16:42   Link #69
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Of course, this could make his deaths more disturbing for some. Some probably laugh off Another and Blood+ because it's so insanely over-the-top. You can't really do that with a Gen death, imo.
I haven't watched many shows that Urobuchi Gen wrote, but I have seen the Dominators exploding their victims. I think that easily qualifies as insanely over-the-top.
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Old 2013-03-10, 17:20   Link #70
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Wtf does he have to do with those?
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Old 2013-03-10, 17:33   Link #71
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I haven't watched many shows that Urobuchi Gen wrote, but I have seen the Dominators exploding their victims. I think that easily qualifies as insanely over-the-top.
As Kirarakim said that could be the director rather than Urobuchi,even the character designer had a say in how all the gadgets looked and worked.

His scripts can be pretty vague, for example in Madoka the script would just say "Homura fights Walpurgis Night" but how that fight looked was all up to the rest of the creative staff.
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Old 2013-03-10, 17:52   Link #72
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As Kirarakim said that could be the director rather than Urobuchi,even the character designer had a say in how all the gadgets looked and worked.

His scripts can be pretty vague, for example in Madoka the script would just say "Homura fights Walpurgis Night" but how that fight looked was all up to the rest of the creative staff.
But if the over-the-top violence is out of the hands of the writer, then it hardly makes sense to attibute Urobuchi for restraint either.

Anyways, I'd imagine that a fair number of the creative staff had significant input into how the Dominators work. Their impact on how the violence is framed in the show is too significant to suggest otherwise.
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Old 2013-03-10, 17:53   Link #73
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I like that idea.

That Gen knows his reputation precedes him, and so is intentionally playing against it to surprise people.
I think he's more likely to do that with Gargantia, not Psycho Pass. I'm betting at least two main characters will die by the end of the series (the only "good guy" safe is Yayoi because her death would be pointless). As for the end of the series itself... there's a 50/50% chance it will be either bleak or moderately optimistic. I can't envision a happy ending for Psycho-pass. It wouldn't fit the tone of the series.

Anyway, I agree Urobuchi is not the butcher some people are making him out to be. He doesn't kill or torture his characters for fun. Everything has a purpose in his narrative, and that's why I like him. I don't think he's all that "darker" than other writers, he just has the balls to do what needs to be done. Too many writers are scared to kill their characters because of the fan backlash. He, on the other hand, doesn't give a damn. His story is his first priority.
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Old 2013-03-10, 18:00   Link #74
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Gen almost always goes for bittersweet endings. All of his shows have been like that.
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Old 2013-03-19, 19:34   Link #75
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What else has he done besides Fate/Zero and Psycho Pass?

Not being smart, I seriously have no idea. I'd like to check more of his work out.
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What else has he done besides Fate/Zero and Psycho Pass?

Not being smart, I seriously have no idea. I'd like to check more of his work out.
Ever hear of Madoka Magica?

If you go way back, there's Phantom: Requiem of a Phantom. Although IIRC, he only wrote a few episodes of that.

He's also wrote many VNs, probably the most famous of which being Saya no Uta (be warned! That VN is known to cause nightmares ).
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What else has he done besides Fate/Zero and Psycho Pass?

Not being smart, I seriously have no idea. I'd like to check more of his work out.
Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, also known as Puella Magi Madoka Magica, and the upcoming Suisei no Gargantia are shows written by him. Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom is based on a visual novel written by him.
Besides that there are only some other visual novels written by Urobuchi, since he started off as a writer for nitroplus and only recently got into the anime industry (as far as I know).
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What else has he done besides Fate/Zero and Psycho Pass?

Not being smart, I seriously have no idea. I'd like to check more of his work out.
Puella Magi Madoka Magica.
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Oh wow...I seriously had no idea he was the one who wrote Madoka!
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They tried to hide it though. Because it will reveal what the nature of that anime is. They put it out at Episode 3.
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