AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Current Series > Fate/ Series

Notices

View Poll Results: Fate/ Zero - Episode 17 Rating
Perfect 10 34 34.34%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 31 31.31%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 23 23.23%
7 out of 10 : Good 6 6.06%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 3.03%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 1.01%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 1.01%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2012-04-28, 10:45   Link #1
monir
cho~ kakkoii
*Moderator
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: 3rd Planet
Fate/Zero - Episode 17 Discussion / Poll

Welcome to the discussion thread for Fate/Zero, Episode 17.

Thread Guidelines
  • Raw requests and offers are not permitted anywhere on this forum.
  • Spoilers or hints about future events must not be posted in this thread.
    If you need to reference something that would spoil a future event, reply directly with a private message, or seek out a more appropriate thread.
  • Discuss your expectations of the episode if it has not aired yet.
  • Be polite to your fellow forum members.
  • Please try to keep the discussion on-topic.
  • Do not post multiple times in a row. Please edit your existing post if you wish to add additional thoughts.
Episode Thread Spoiler Policy
  • Any comment that discloses events, characters, plot or other information before it is revealed in the anime is expressly forbidden whether or not it is behind spoiler tags.
    Spoiler tags should still be used where appropriate.
    Please consult the AnimeSuki Spoiler Policy for more information.
  • Adding a Spoiler tag:
    Just highlight your spoiler and click the button found
    on the "Quick Reply" and "Reply to Thread" forms.
    Make sure that you include a useful title!
  • Please use the Report button if you see any inappropriate spoilers:
    Click the button found to the left of the post, just under the poster's avatar.
    Using the Report button is anonymous and helps the Moderators
    locate and deal with problems quickly.
  • Posting inappropriate spoilers may result in a ban.
    Note: Reporting a post does not mean the poster will be banned instantly.
    The Moderators will use bans if warnings are repeatedly ignored.
Addendum regarding Fate/Zero:
Please remember that, although Fate/Zero is chronologically the prequel of Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Hollow Ataraxia, this series might be discovered by those who did not watch the previous series or read the Visual Novel.
Therefore, although events are likely to be connected with the story regarding the 5th Holy Grail War, please do not post any F/SN spoiler in any F/Z thread.

Enforced rules:
Failing to abide to spoiler guidelines will now lead to a 1 day ban along with the appropriate warning/infraction.
monir is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:03   Link #2
claza
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
The pacing was extremely awkward in this episode. It felt very rushed. Kotomine's character development was also rushed. It was a critical time for Kirei, but I don't think they showed enough of it, which is a little bit disappointing. Parts of the animation was very well done, while others took a toll. Overall, I'm iffy about this episode.

I will have to reread this portion of the novel.
claza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:09   Link #3
Miraluka
18 forever
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Age: 24
And so Tokiomi goes bye-bye from the game, but I didn't feel a damn thing about him like I did for poor Lancer or Kayneth, I didn't help I feel the episode rushed many things.
__________________

Deal with it!
Miraluka is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:13   Link #4
DakkerDB
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: In a basement
And there we have it, folks. The Kotomine Kirei that we all know and love is back! Or, should I say, reveals himself?

While, yes, it did seem ever so slightly rushed, I'm still quite giddy about what happened. I believe from this point onward, the Holy Grail War will be quite a bit more entertaining, with Kirei and Archer taking a more active role in the conflict. At least, that's the impression I was left with by this episode.

Still, by the look of all things, next episode is going to be something different. We even got an unusual preview. Looking forward to it.
DakkerDB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:16   Link #5
FlavoryFantasy
┬──┬╯︵ /(.□. \)
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: At one of the greatest libraries in existence
Age: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by claza View Post
The pacing was extremely awkward in this episode. It felt very rushed. Kotomine's character development was also rushed. It was a critical time for Kirei, but I don't think they showed enough of it, which is a little bit disappointing. Parts of the animation was very well done, while others took a toll. Overall, I'm iffy about this episode.

I will have to reread this portion of the novel.
Agreed, I hope that the blu-ray version of the ep has much more scenes/extensions that may fix the awkward pacing they had here...

Saber riding away on her V-Max gift. Was a nice scene..
Oh and Kirei's smile before he went in to kill Tokiomi, what a lovely smile.

Tokiomi's face when he got stabbed...definitely not the shocked face I saw coming, I guess the staff had fun with that part or something.

Next ep. the reactions people will have to it, oh man I can't wait to see it now...
FlavoryFantasy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:19   Link #6
Sheba
Have a Yasen Problem
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Naval Base in the rectum of Pacific Ocean
Age: 34
This week's episode shall be summed up as "Trolling is a art."
__________________
<a rel=nofollow href=http://forums.animesuki.com/group.php?groupid=959 target=_blank>Kancolle Social Group</a>
Sheba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:21   Link #7
Archer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
There are several parts in this episode that seemed to "jump around" with unusual scene transitions. The best example of this would be the conversation with Kirei and Gilgamesh after the meeting with the Einzberns where the Gilgamesh moving around felt extremely jarring, as if an entire scene was cut out in between.

A good time as any to preorder those blu-rays, eh?
Archer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:25   Link #8
FlavoryFantasy
┬──┬╯︵ /(.□. \)
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: At one of the greatest libraries in existence
Age: 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archer View Post
There are several parts in this episode that seemed to "jump around" with unusual scene transitions. The best example of this would be the conversation with Kirei and Gilgamesh after the meeting with the Einzberns where the Gilgamesh moving around felt extremely jarring, as if an entire scene was cut out in between.

A good time as any to preorder those blu-rays, eh?
Honestly when Gilgamesh keep going to spirit form and back, I was slightly amused by that. The staff must've been bored or something.
FlavoryFantasy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:26   Link #9
Horse
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Rushed? I don't think so. I don't know if I could take Gilgamesh and Kotomine talk about the same damn thing ("What is it that you seek?") any more.

Also that dialogue in the middle was pretty horrible.

Gil: "Come to think of it there is one master without a servant";
Kirei: "But is that man worthy in the eyes of the King of Heroes?"

Bleh. This is not witty dialogue.

Edit: And of course now that the show could pick up the pace with a new determined Master they are going for an Anime Original Intermission. Great show structure there, ufotable.
Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:33   Link #10
Kaiba
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Houston
Quote:
Edit: And of course now that the show could pick up the pace with a new determined Master they are going for an Anime Original Intermission. Great show structure there, ufotable.
While I obviously won't talk about it, the next episode is not anime original. At all.
Kaiba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:36   Link #11
Horse
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiba View Post
While I obviously won't talk about it, the next episode is not anime original. At all.
Well then "Great show structure there, Urobuchi."

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horse View Post
Edit: And of course now that the show could pick up the pace with a new determined Master they are going for an Anime Original Intermission. Great show structure there, ufotable.
Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:41   Link #12
Linkark07
Yokoso Gypsy
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Argh, I thought Tokiomi would go out next episode.

Really, I agree with everyone, this episode had a lot of weird scene transitions. Hopefully it will get fixed on blu ray.
__________________
Linkark07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:48   Link #13
sento
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
The only part that was really shortened and didn't transmitted the same mood as in the novel was Tokiomi and Rin scene, because the lack of his internal monologue and true feelings.

I not agree with the weird scene transitions talk and previous episode was more "rushed" than this one, is just that this episode was Ufotable Tokushima going experimental and playing around with stuff (like Gil jumping around in spirit form).

I found it better than the stuff we got on previous Kirei and Gilgamesh talks.
sento is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:49   Link #14
blue_sora
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horse View Post
Well then "Great show structure there, Urobuchi."
Well the next episode was merely a prelude in the fourth novel, not an actual chapter.

Really, I'm gonna say that Gen Urobuchi wrote Fate/Zero with almost zero consideration for an anime adaptation. He just wrote how he likes it at that time and the story works well for light novels but very problematic when it adapted to an anime. Like Nasu (IIRC) said, the three volumes are merely warm-up of Gen Urobuchi for the fourth novel, where we are currently at now.

That's why I don't fully blame ufotable for all the flaws and pacing issues in the show.

Well, for the episode I love the camera movement when Kirei stabbed Tokiomi. Clearly longer scenes will be in the blu-ray box.
blue_sora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 11:52   Link #15
sento
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by blue_sora View Post
Well, for the episode I love the camera movement when Kirei stabbed Tokiomi.
Yeah, Tokiomi death was pretty well made.

Lots of Kara no Kyoukai vibes there.
sento is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 12:11   Link #16
Horse
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by sento View Post
Ufotable Tokushima going experimental and playing around with stuff (like Gil jumping around in spirit form).
That's about as experimental as walking in circles.
Horse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 12:26   Link #17
sento
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horse View Post
That's about as experimental as walking in circles.
But actually funny and fitting to Gilgamesh antics.

Walking in circles was just Aoki Ei wild idea.
sento is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 12:47   Link #18
hero147
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
The next episode looks interesting. Maybe it's because I'm a kiritsugu fanboy.
hero147 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 12:57   Link #19
ookamigirl
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
This was a pretty relaxing episode.
Irisviel it the grail?! That was a surprise.
Gilgamesh is the only servant who is always actively scheming something.
Kirei sure is a bastard like none other.
__________________
My new Blog --> ookami (anime, manga, movies, JDrama, music, Japan..) & latest reviews

ookamigirl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-04-28, 14:39   Link #20
Xellos-_^
Married
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: R'lyeh
Age: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by ookamigirl View Post
This was a pretty relaxing episode.
Irisviel it the grail?! That was a surprise.
Gilgamesh is the only servant who is always actively scheming something.
Kirei sure is a bastard like none other.
Go watch ep12 again, there were plenty of foreshadowing about it.
__________________
Xellos-_^ is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 22:32.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.