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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 18 Rating
Perfect 10 47 38.84%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 38 31.40%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 19 15.70%
7 out of 10 : Good 9 7.44%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 1.65%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.83%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 1.65%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.83%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.65%
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Old 2012-05-08, 22:39   Link #141
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You mean, turned into a immortal vampire. Emiya's research was doomed to fail from the very beginning; there is no way at all to bypass the bloodlust. The only one who doesn't have it was the Princess, and even she has fallen since the first moment she tasted blood.
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Old 2012-05-09, 01:14   Link #142
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a drug with a lethal side effects even at the proper dose is a drug not worth taking.
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Old 2012-05-09, 08:11   Link #143
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I think we need a Type-Moon thread so we can discuss all of this openly since we are really going outside of Fate now.
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Old 2012-05-09, 09:15   Link #144
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Previews for Ep 19

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Old 2012-05-09, 11:43   Link #145
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Just a question here that I found interesting: How many of you think that Rin Tohsaka will despise/look down on Kariya for what he has done for Sakura?
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Old 2012-05-09, 12:32   Link #146
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Does she even know that he's partticipating the war >.>?
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Old 2012-05-09, 13:10   Link #147
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She does not. This is just an assumption.
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Old 2012-05-09, 13:16   Link #148
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Well assuming she completely follows in her father's footsteps without any conflict of interest then she probably would.
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Old 2012-05-09, 22:29   Link #149
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It's a prequel after the sequel, so I say she does not.
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Old 2012-05-09, 22:43   Link #150
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I was wondering if this was the right anime when I first watched it, but it was a good episode. And damn zombie girl eating chickens. Kitsurugi finally has some background and shit so we can feel bad for him and can note about why he's so dead inside. The relationship with his father also cites an interesting comparison and contrast with Kirei so this sets up the tail end that will probably be starting really soon. And the soundtrack was well done to say the least.7/10
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Old 2012-05-10, 05:56   Link #151
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I just realised something

If the drug was already missing in the morning (Kerry waking up), and he found the bloodthirsty Shirley in the evening.....

what the fk happened during the day? Did his father just let it slip and see what possible results might come out, instead of trying to stop Shirley?
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Old 2012-05-10, 06:22   Link #152
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I couldn't help but stare at their teeth every time "Kerry" and Shirley said something.

But seriously, it was nice seeing Cornelius Alba again. So if we assume that Kara no Kyoukai happens within the same universe, that would place this little flashback somewhere before he allied himself with Araya Souren.

Anyway, the episode struck me as a nice parallel to the classic zombie outbreak set-up, and it was fantastic.
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Old 2012-05-10, 11:01   Link #153
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I just realised something

If the drug was already missing in the morning (Kerry waking up), and he found the bloodthirsty Shirley in the evening.....

what the fk happened during the day? Did his father just let it slip and see what possible results might come out, instead of trying to stop Shirley?
From the way he reacted it looked like he was just like, "Oh, looks like there's gonna be another zombie outbreak. Oh well. Time to get packing."
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Old 2012-05-10, 12:49   Link #154
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From the way he reacted it looked like he was just like, "Oh, looks like there's gonna be another zombie outbreak. Oh well. Time to get packing."
It was more like: "Oh she took pills?" "Well at least now I know they don't work, I didn't really plan on her taking the stuff but anyway time to pack up and continue my morally questionable research elsewhere."
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Old 2012-05-10, 16:46   Link #155
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Just a question here that I found interesting: How many of you think that Rin Tohsaka will despise/look down on Kariya for what he has done for Sakura?
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Old 2012-05-11, 01:29   Link #156
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18th War: Distant Memories ~Sometime, Somewhere~

In the sixteenth episode, Saber asked Kiritsugu what happened to him to have abandoned the ideal of becoming a Hero of Justice that he once craved so much to become.

Two episodes into the present, that question is answered in the eighteenth one.

The irony of all happens in this episode when Shirely asks Kerry what kind of adult would he want to become when he grows up, which was retroactively answered back two episodes back from this one.

This was the story of the boy who one day would grow-up to become the infamous Magus Killer, the boy who likely made a wish to become a Hero of Justice to save all the peoples around the world but that desire crumbled to dust after the boy, Kerry, within a single day lost all of that that he cared so much and committed a sin in order to stop the bloodshed from spreading further.

What this episode is so very infamous is that the death flags were immediately introduced almost from the start with the most noticeable one involving Shirley in concern to the story of the girl who was turned into a crab due to offending the Gods for stealing from them their offering.

Shirley was cute but at the same time pure-hearted and possesed good intentions to attempt using Kerry's father methods to find a possible cure to "death" itself on humans.
But that was the problem, that she had "good intentions", and for her naivety she paid a price to experiment with knowledge and research beyond the scope of both her expectations and control.
For that she ended up cursed, unleashing a deadly plague that almost consumed the entire island had not been for both the Mage Association and the Church interfering. However, those two groups didn't interfere out of a gesture of help and generosity.
As Natalia explained to Kerry, the Mages Association interfered to protect their secrets and their agenda, while the Church do so to impose their pressence and let it known to rogue mages that they would not tolerate the uprisings of their heresies.

As for Natalia, she is simply pure GAR-Badassness reincarnated. If she's a hitman salesman, then she does really mean business when it comes to killing and cleaning up the job.
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Old 2012-05-11, 02:15   Link #157
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Rewatching this episode again, and there's some pretty good imagery and symbolism scattered about, all of which has to do with a certain aspect of Kiritsugu's character.

The knife that Shirley uses is an obvious one. The river that Shirley and Kiritsugu have their conversation at is pretty evident, too. But what I really like is the one from the very first minute of the episode, where Kiritsugu dares to challenge the cliff that nobody else would jump off from. That entire scene is Kiritsugu summed up in a nutshell, and it's noteworthy considering this is the first thing the audience gets to know about Kiritsugu before anything else in this episode. A great way to start off a pretty great episode.
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Old 2012-05-11, 16:56   Link #158
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Even the strongest among Dead Apostles have problems dealing with just one powerful Executor, and you must remember that Executors are ultimately just human, which makes them ridiculously strong. Shirley don't stand a fly's chance at all. Someone like Kirei would've wiped out the entire island by himself (Though some might escape, so they sent more to make sure NO ONE escapes).
You confuse the Executors with the Burial Agency.

Regular Executors aren't that powerful. True, they have the ideal weapon to deal with vampires but most of them are (like you said) just humans who underwent extensive training. A true Dead Apostle would murder them in a single combat before they would realize it. Sure they can deal with heretics like the Dead (ghouls) or some opposing mages but they aren't that strong. Kirei's abilities are more like an anomaly compared to a regular Executor.


Speaking of Burial Agency, even Ciel has some difficulties to fight against a Dead Apostle, not to mention the strongest of them (Dead Apostle Ancestors).

So to be finally on-topic: No, a single Exacutor couldn't do the job. They're more like the Church's spec ops than blatant supersoldiers. The numbers were a must to eliminate the "vampires".

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You make a good point about it being natural for Kiritsugu. Kiritsugu has two Origins, one of which is "Severing". That would have likely been a factor in his decision to kill his father also.
How about both?
Severing and Binding.

Kiritsugu "severed" his relationship with his father and "bound" himself to Natalia.

As the novel explained in the battle against Kayneth, "severing and binding" doesn't equal "destruction and rebirth".
Even though the severed ends are connected again, it results in something completely different. Just like the knot on a reconnected cable.
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Old 2012-05-11, 19:08   Link #159
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Once I might've thought that too, but recent readings on Visual Novels like 魔法使いの夜 changed my mind.

... Almost everyone who claims to work for the Saint Church is mad in one way or another. >.> And that makes em' terrifying. In many cases, it makes them terrifyingly strong. Can't exactly put spoilers for that here, but yeah.

EDIT: I'm remember reading in the VN that Kiritsugu's Origin has something to do with self-sacrifice or self-destruction.
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