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Old 2013-08-31, 03:45   Link #1581
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That's just a simple transfer of power within his own body, not gift. He could do that before he even had access to the gift power.

The functions are the same, but gift is actually defined by using it on someone else. Its paradoxical to use it on himself.


incorrect before it changed to version 2 and got transfer/gift the only thing it could do was boost then explosion he never had a choice of sending it to a particular part of him it by default just increased his overall power you never see the word transfer till the evolved state in the raiser battle
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Old 2013-09-03, 17:19   Link #1582
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Does it means, that besides the Evil Dragons, more powerful entities will be revived?

“Do you perhaps believe in the resurrection of the Bull Demon King like the Prince is?”

“Do you perhaps plan to defeat the resurrected Bull Demon King like the Prince is?”

Bull Demon King—. The King of Chinese Youkais that fought to death against Xuanzang Sanzang’s party in the past. In my knowledge, it’s recorded that he had already been terminated……

Vali simply shows his fearless smile.

“That’s quite an interesting story. I’ll also search information regarding that along with finding the Prince. We ended up wasting our time in searching for Crom Cruach, but it seems like we can find the Prince.”

And do you think that Le Fay is happy in Vali team and dont will go to issei team?

“The two of you should stay inside there for a while. The Golden Horned King and the Silver Horned King, I’ll be borrowing this gourd for a while. It seems like it’s useful for training these two clowns. It seems like it’ll work as a place where they can reflect on their mistakes.”

[Are you being serious, Vali!? Are you mad at us!? Is it because we got sucked in by this gourd!? We just let our guard down for a bit! We’ll win if we fight them again!]

[Nyaan! Leader, you idiot! I’m going to run to the place where Shirone is once I get out of here –nya!]

The two idiots are making an excuse for their defeat from within the gourd.

“Seriously, lively things sure do happen when I’m in this team.”

“You are right about that, Onii-sama.”

It seems like the Pendragon brother and sister are having fun. Well, even though I’m dumbfounded, I don’t feel bad staying here.

Or is just a SS.
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Old 2013-09-03, 19:27   Link #1583
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Does it means, that besides the Evil Dragons, more powerful entities will be revived?

“Do you perhaps believe in the resurrection of the Bull Demon King like the Prince is?”

“Do you perhaps plan to defeat the resurrected Bull Demon King like the Prince is?”

Bull Demon King—. The King of Chinese Youkais that fought to death against Xuanzang Sanzang’s party in the past. In my knowledge, it’s recorded that he had already been terminated……

Vali simply shows his fearless smile.

“That’s quite an interesting story. I’ll also search information regarding that along with finding the Prince. We ended up wasting our time in searching for Crom Cruach, but it seems like we can find the Prince.”

And do you think that Le Fay is happy in Vali team and dont will go to issei team?

“The two of you should stay inside there for a while. The Golden Horned King and the Silver Horned King, I’ll be borrowing this gourd for a while. It seems like it’s useful for training these two clowns. It seems like it’ll work as a place where they can reflect on their mistakes.”

[Are you being serious, Vali!? Are you mad at us!? Is it because we got sucked in by this gourd!? We just let our guard down for a bit! We’ll win if we fight them again!]

[Nyaan! Leader, you idiot! I’m going to run to the place where Shirone is once I get out of here –nya!]

The two idiots are making an excuse for their defeat from within the gourd.

“Seriously, lively things sure do happen when I’m in this team.”

“You are right about that, Onii-sama.”

It seems like the Pendragon brother and sister are having fun. Well, even though I’m dumbfounded, I don’t feel bad staying here.

Or is just a SS.
First it is not stated that the Bull Demon King is stronger than the Evil Dragons, just plain strong.
Second, SS are also part of the story and yeah Le Fay doesn't really seemed like she's sad or troubled or something.
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Old 2013-09-03, 19:40   Link #1584
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hey wild lion,you think that ise will fight with valerie's brother in the vol 16 and will save her?
obs:I think that valerie's brother maybe is the true vlad tepes(dracula)?what you think?I think that this vampire(dracula) is the only vampire that can give a good fight for ise.

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Old 2013-09-03, 21:02   Link #1585
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hey wild lion,you think that ise will fight with valerie's brother in the vol 16 and will save her?and you still think that ise will defeat one evil dragon to save the leader of carmilla faction?
obs:I think that valerie's brother maybe is the true vlad tepes(dracula)?what you think?I think that this vampire(dracula) is the only vampire that can give a good fight for ise.
Volume 16
Ise and his gang that entered the country of Vampires. There, Valerie who Gasper is indebeted was regining as a Queen. However, she was clearly mind controlled by her brother and is in a dangerous situation. Gasper decided to save her, ""but""......

That ""but"" told me that gasper will fail and Issei will save him and Valerie, but i think that issei will fight against a evil dragon, because currently defeat a normal hight cass vampire is so easy for issei, well i think it, because the hight cass devil is similar a hight cass vampire, and i think that valerie brother will use a evil dragon to fight against Gremory team, gasper will try to win ""but"", i think that issei will improve and defeat the evil dragon, i hope for Aži Dahāka, because this is the dragon that Vali team can not defeat, and maybe all the gremory team with Issei power up will kill him.

But the words ""mind controlled"", remember me the event that happened in Volume 9 with Yasaka, the nine-tailed fox and the mother of Kunou, when she was mind controlled issei use ""Bilingual"" to connect Yasaka and Kunou hearts and free her of mind control.
And when Bael mother was in a big dream, he also use Bilingual.
Maybe issei will do something similar to Valerie.
what do you think?
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Old 2013-09-04, 00:21   Link #1586
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^ I don't agree with you LION.

To me the 16th volume is going to be about Gasper gaining some character development, which is the reason why he is made into the central character of that volume.

If he fails to achieve his objective (which seems to be rescuing Valerie) ... what would be the point of making the volume centered on him ?

In comparison, if Kiba didn't want to fulfill his revenge on the Holy Sword's and Excalibur, in volume 3, which contained him as the central character, he wouldn't achieve his Balance Breaker and become the current Kiba (in terms of character)

Finally, you should remember that, the synopsis always portray the situation in a harsher light, then what really happens, in the released volume.

It's part of the strategy, to make the potential reader interested in buying the volume, when it actually comes out.

If you don't believe me, remember Issei's naive quote from the synopsis / summary of volume 14, and how it actually turned out in the context of the novel's events.

Ise is going to have some roles, in the events of volume 16, but I don't think that they will have a lot to do with saving Valerie.
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Old 2013-09-04, 07:17   Link #1587
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^ I don't agree with you LION.

To me the 16th volume is going to be about Gasper gaining some character development, which is the reason why he is made into the central character of that volume.

If he fails to achieve his objective (which seems to be rescuing Valerie) ... what would be the point of making the volume centered on him ?

In comparison, if Kiba didn't want to fulfill his revenge on the Holy Sword's and Excalibur, in volume 3, which contained him as the central character, he wouldn't achieve his Balance Breaker and become the current Kiba (in terms of character)

Finally, you should remember that, the synopsis always portray the situation in a harsher light, then what really happens, in the released volume.

It's part of the strategy, to make the potential reader interested in buying the volume, when it actually comes out.

If you don't believe me, remember Issei's naive quote from the synopsis / summary of volume 14, and how it actually turned out in the context of the novel's events.

Ise is going to have some roles, in the events of volume 16, but I don't think that they will have a lot to do with saving Valerie.

For me, Gasper will play a role similar to kiba in vol 3, Gasper will try to defeat a servant of valerie's brother and get the BB in the process, ""but"", the one who will free valerie from the mind control is issei, because i dont see gasper using Bilingual.
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Old 2013-09-04, 07:59   Link #1588
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For me, Gasper will play a role similar to kiba in vol 3, Gasper will try to defeat a servant of valerie's brother and get the BB in the process, ""but"", the one who will free valerie from the mind control is issei, because i dont see gasper using Bilingual.
And who said that the mind control is going to be dispelled using Bilingual ?

Because, I doubt that's the only way, mind control can be dispelled.

We don't even know what is being used to mind control Valeire, and I doubt we will find that out, until the volume is released.

It might be some kind of magical device, given to Valerie's brother by the magician faction of the Khaos Brigade, and the only way to dispel the mind control, would be to destroy the device, and for that to happen, someone would need to defeat Valerie's brother first.

Also, don't forget that apart from Valerie, Rias might also be in danger in someway, since she and Kiba are in the middle of the vampire's territory and something like that does contain some risks, especially if Khaos Brigade is involved with Valerie's brother - which is something quite likely.

I think that Ise will be a lot more pressured to reunite with Rias as soon as it's possible, and confirm that she is save, before trying to support Gasper in his efforts to rescue Valerie.

Basically you have you're opinion on how volume 16 is going to develop and I have mine ... and we won't see, which one is correct, until we learn more about the events of volume 16.
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For me, Gasper will play a role similar to kiba in vol 3, Gasper will try to defeat a servant of valerie's brother and get the BB in the process, ""but"", the one who will free valerie from the mind control is issei, because i dont see gasper using Bilingual.
Gasper could follow in his senpai's footsteps. He wakes her up by stealing her panties or something and becomes known as the Panties Vampire.
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Gasper could follow in his senpai's footsteps. He wakes her up by stealing her panties or something and becomes known as the Panties Vampire.
Although given Gasper history he'd probably start wearing them.


Also I gotta agree I think Ise is going to go rushing to protect Rias when this all starts to go down heck she doesn't even want to call him right because she's concerned how he'll react if he figures out she's being somewhat confined. And rightfully so considering what he has done in the past.
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Old 2013-09-04, 22:22   Link #1591
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Oh god if Gasper's the main for vol 16 then we may get a Gasper front cover !!
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Old 2013-09-04, 22:33   Link #1592
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^ I think that it was mentioned by the author somewhere that only female's are going to appear on the front cover. Which is probably the reason why volume 3 had Asia on the front cover instead of Kiba.

Gasper, despite his appearance, is still a man, so ... I don't think he's going to be on the front cover.

If I have to put a guess, I would say that Rias might appear on the cover again, or maybe Valerie, since the events of the 16 volume are, most likely going to have a relation with those two girls.
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For me, Gasper will play a role similar to kiba in vol 3, Gasper will try to defeat a servant of valerie's brother and get the BB in the process, ""but"", the one who will free valerie from the mind control is issei, because i dont see gasper using Bilingual.
Yea and Kiba was the one who shone in that chapter, just like Gasper will probably be. If you remember the civil war in the underworld Gasper is strong as hell when he's serious comparable to Issei even. Bilingual is a technique used to read hearts, as stated by the first Wukong, Azazel and Sirzechs, Issei just fixates on breasts but what's underneath them? That's right the heart. Gasper is going to be the center of the volume with Issei taking a secondary role, like in other volumes.

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Basically you have you're opinion on how volume 16 is going to develop and I have mine ... and we won't see, which one is correct, until we learn more about the events of volume 16.
Only difference is that yours makes more sense context wise and from looking at the authors past arcs and notes. Now that's not to say that Issei will just sit on the sidelines twiddling his thumbs, but he'll have his own fights maybe.

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Gasper could follow in his senpai's footsteps. He wakes her up by stealing her panties or something and becomes known as the Panties Vampire.
LoL what?!?

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^ I think that it was mentioned by the author somewhere that only female's are going to appear on the front cover. Which is probably the reason why volume 3 had Asia on the front cover instead of Kiba.

Gasper, despite his appearance, is still a man, so ... I don't think he's going to be on the front cover.

If I have to put a guess, I would say that Rias might appear on the cover again, or maybe Valerie, since the events of the 16 volume are, most likely going to have a relation with those two girls.
I hope it's Valerie most of the main harem girls have come out already... Some have come out twice.

I hope we get a chapter that's centered on some other members of the troupe like Rossweisse, Xenovia, and Ravel alongside Gasper. Issei has had a ****ton of development recently so have the other members, the author did say this will be Gasper centered but since Ravel just had a pretty harsh development coupled with the fact that the next volumes after this will be centered around Ross and Xen... We can expect, hopefully, some development on their end.

Also a little snippet to support my case:
へたれヴァンパイア・ギャスパー・ヴィラディ(女装男子)男を見せますっ!
"the useless vampire gasper vladi (cross dresser boy) will show his manliness?.."
That's the subtitle to volume 16(I think). Pretty much cinches that Gasper will be the main hero this time around.
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I hope it's Valerie most of the main harem girls have come out already... Some have come out twice.
Valerie has a chance of appearing on the cover, but at the same time, it would kind of spoil her appearance, even before the reader would even get to read the volume.

So, I would say that the chance of her appearing is a little lower then the girls that are in Ise's harem, or some other girl's that have already been introduced, but ... you never know what the publisher's and the author have in mind, so ... anything is possible.

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I hope we get a chapter that's centered on some other members of the troupe like Rossweisse, Xenovia, and Ravel alongside Gasper. Issei has had a ****ton of development recently so have the other members, the author did say this will be Gasper centered but since Ravel just had a pretty harsh development coupled with the fact that the next volumes after this will be centered around Ross and Xen... We can expect, hopefully, some development on their end.

I agree that Ise, did have quite a lot of development already, unfortunately he's also the narrator and the main protagonist, so I doubt he can completely fade into the background.

Not to mention, I heard that he is going to also have some power up, in volume 16, although I can't find the post that mentioned it.

Anyway, like you I also hope that the less developed members of the Occult Research Club, like Rossweise, Xenovia or Irina, will gain some .... even minor, development during the 16th volume.

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Also a little snippet to support my case:
へたれヴァンパイア・ギャスパー・ヴィラディ(女装男子)男を見せますっ!
"the useless vampire gasper vladi (cross dresser boy) will show his manliness?.."
That's the subtitle to volume 16(I think). Pretty much cinches that Gasper will be the main hero this time around.
Well, I would agree that might be the case, when it comes to the Valerie rescue plot of the volume... which is probably going to be the central plot point of the 16th volume story, but like I said, earlier I think that the volume is going to have some other subplot's as well, that would be more related with the Khaos Brigade and their connections with the vampires, where, I believe Ise is going to have a more central role, then Gasper...

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Since we have Serafall and Sona for 15, maybe they could go with Grayfia or some other Sitri girls for the cover, i think it'll be better than the usual cover with the same girls. Or maybe they can put Gasper with Valerie.
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Valerie has a chance of appearing on the cover, but at the same time, it would kind of spoil her appearance, even before the reader would even get to read the volume.

So, I would say that the chance of her appearing is a little lower then the girls that are in Ise's harem, or some other girl's that have already been introduced, but ... you never know what the publisher's and the author have in mind, so ... anything is possible.
Agreed. There's plenty of girls that can come out and Valerie IS pretty low on the totem pole as of now.


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I agree that Ise, did have quite a lot of development already, unfortunately he's also the narrator and the main protagonist, so I doubt he can completely fade into the background.

Not to mention, I heard that he is going to also have some power up, in volume 16, although I can't find the post that mentioned it.

Anyway, like you I also hope that the less developed members of the Occult Research Club, like Rossweise, Xenovia or Irina, will gain some .... even minor, development during the 16th volume.
Yea totally, let me rephrase, I hope that Gasper and some of the aforementioned girls get more development. Never meant to imply that Issei will be completely out of the volume like he was in vol. 12, or was it 13? Forgot which one was his death chapter.


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Well, I would agree that might be the case, when it comes to the Valerie rescue plot of the volume... which is probably going to be the central plot point of the 16th volume story, but like I said, earlier I think that the volume is going to have some other subplot's as well, that would be more related with the Khaos Brigade and their connections with the vampires, where, I believe Ise is going to have a more central role, then Gasper...
Totally that's a given. Story wise I feel that Gasper will have the central role in this volume with Issei serving as a back up or the lead in his own SUB-plot.



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Since we have Serafall and Sona for 15, maybe they could go with Grayfia or some other Sitri girls for the cover, i think it'll be better than the usual cover with the same girls. Or maybe they can put Gasper with Valerie.
Yea then the whole "Are Kiba and Gasper in Issei's harem?" debate can be put to rest.
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I hope they go into somekind of detail about the training between Ise 'n friends + joker and slash dog, instead of it being like a flash back when they show up and something happens to make the start fighting
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I hope they go into somekind of detail about the training between Ise 'n friends + joker and slash dog, instead of it being like a flash back when they show up and something happens to make the start fighting
Well, it pretty much depends on when the events of volume 16 are going to start.

If it beings immediately after the volume 15 ending, where Rias and Kiba are just about to meet Valerie, then I could see something being mentioned about the training with joker and slash dog before they travel to Rias location.
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A lot of great speculations and thoughts but my theory is at some time the story will have to get back to Rias and Ise's dreams and the deepening of there romance. All the battles and power ups of every body just supports there goals, i.e. tops at rateing games becoming a high class devil etc. But what I would really like to see is Rias put a spell on Ise's nose because she must get tired of having blood all over her every morning and his dry cleaning bill must be a killer. And I would like to see the harem pecking order start to firm up a little more because as it stands right now it is #1Rias,#2 Asia and#3 Akeno, and I can see Koneko as #4 and as Rias's mother told her she has to start managing Ise's other women as the first wife.
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^ I think that this kind of development will start occurring, after each of the main girls that have a potential of being in Ise's harem, get a more or less, equal amount of character development and progress in their relationship with Ise.

Which is still going to take some time, since there is still Xenovia, Irina and probably Rossweisse (the older women type, at least personality wise) who still haven't got much character development and progress in their relationship with Issei.

And regarding Ise's nosebleed's ... I think that has been already toned down, in the latest volumes ... which, might mean that Issei is slowly getting used to the company of women.
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