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Old 2013-02-14, 11:54   Link #1361
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You can read vol 3??? The reason why the past possessors saved Ise was because they are changed by Ise's perv??? lol. This further proves my theory because Ddraig's soul was part of the past possessors' souls and the past possessors' souls were part of Ddraig's soul....even after they they die...remnants of the past possessors' souls are still residing inside the SG. But then all of what I just said is a theory that I deduced after reading from the LNs....it seems to be a very plausible theory to me.....have to see how the others think about it.
So one of the reasons that are the jewels of SG is dull because there is no soul in them?, 'cause I remember that the main reason that the souls saved to ISE was because he introduced the soul of SG VALI into his own SG and it divided half the hatred of all the souls.: Confused:

And then the souls was part of spirit energy of Draig?
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Old 2013-02-14, 12:21   Link #1362
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Actually if you look at a different perspective, Ddraig and Ise are actually 1 soul. Ise has full excess to Ddraig's powers and because of the dying incident....one half of the soul which is Ddraig tried to save the other half which is Ise and as a result Ise isnt able to fully utilise Ddraig's powers because part of the soul's (which is Ddraig) stamina itself has been exhausted and become unstable. It is just so happens that part of Ise's soul have its own consciousness called Ddraig lol....and it can be inherited - that is why there are generations of Sekiryuutei.

Evidence to support my claim is that Ise will die without Ddraig, Ise is Ddraig and Ddraig is Ise. The power of Ddraig can be changed/modified if Ise wills it (the birth of illegal triania and Crimson Queen) and nothing can happen if Ise doesnt will it - even if Ddraig wants to enter balance break and if Ise doesnt will it nothing will happen. So you can say that Ddraig's powers are actually Ise's as they are one being and not an equipment that is attached to Ise's arm.
Interesting theorie, I like the idea of Ddraig and Ises souls being one. Sadly I don't agree. I think that Ise and Ddraig share Ises body and the body would die if it lost one or the other.
The reason I don't think Ise and ddraig are one soul is because they don't think like one, Ise always has to ask permission if he wants to do something stupid. Also Ise didn't notice Ddraig getting depressed, so depressed that he even needed a doctor. If they had one soul even Ise would have been depressed at least a little.
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Old 2013-02-14, 13:03   Link #1363
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Regarding the theory of Ise and Ddraig being a single soul... while I think that it is a pretty interesting assumption, I'm also one of the people who don't think that it's correct.

The reason why, is caused by the events of volume 12, more specifically the discussion about resurrecting Ise's body, between Ajuka Beelzebub and the Gremory Group, which clearly stated that it wouldn't be an issue to remake a body for Ise that could contain his soul and his Evil Pieces, but it could be a problem to transfer his Boosted Gear to Ise's "new" body.

Now, I know that all those issues have been resolved, when Ophis and Great Red where the ones, who "recreated" Ise's body, but it still stated that there is some difference between Ise's soul and Ddraig's soul, which is a part of the Boosted Gear.

So, taking that into consideration, I would say that there is some pretty close link between Ise (the current "owner" of the Boosted Gear), and Ddraig, that for example prevents Ddraig from ... not providing his current "owner" from using his powers, if they have a predisposition to use it, but there are still different souls, that only reside in a single body, at least until the moment when it's current host "dies", which is when Ddraig's consciousness (soul) along with the SG is transported to someone's else's body.
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Old 2013-02-14, 13:10   Link #1364
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Regarding the theory of Ise and Ddraig being a single soul... while I think that it is a pretty interesting assumption, I'm also one of the people who don't think that it's correct.

The reason why, is caused by the events of volume 12, more specifically the discussion about resurrecting Ise's body, between Ajuka Beelzebub and the Gremory Group, which clearly stated that it wouldn't be an issue to remake a body for Ise that could contain his soul and his Evil Pieces, but it could be a problem to transfer his Boosted Gear to Ise's "new" body.

Now, I know that all those issues have been resolved, when Ophis and Great Red where the ones, who "recreated" Ise's body, but it still stated that there is some difference between Ise's soul and Ddraig's soul, which is a part of the Boosted Gear.

So, taking that into consideration, I would say that there is some pretty close link between Ise (the current "owner" of the Boosted Gear), and Ddraig, that for example prevents Ddraig from ... not providing his current "owner" from using his powers, if they have a predisposition to use it, but there are still different souls, that only reside in a single body, at least until the moment when it's current host "dies", which is when Ddraig's consciousness (soul) along with the SG is transported to someone's else's body.
Agree. I always thought that DDraig and Isse where like ..:Naruto and Kyuubi(ok bad example) or Haseo and Skeith or Yuri and his fusion(like Amon and/or Dark Seraphim).
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Old 2013-02-14, 13:12   Link #1365
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I am agree with you Chris38, and i remember that the Boosted Gear just get the soul when the owner is consumed by anger and hatred, as when ISE saved ASIA.
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Old 2013-02-14, 13:24   Link #1366
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and to add the reason why the jewels on the SG arnt glowing is because Ddraig is sleeping trying to get back the energy used grabbing ise's soul and putting it in the balance breaker from of his SG.
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Old 2013-02-14, 13:32   Link #1367
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I am not so sure, Ghost4321, because i remember that the jewels represent the souls of the sempais of ISE, that now they are dead. Like the soul of VALI sempai that ISE take of the SG hand armor and put into his SG, and latter ISE invokes a part of the white armor during SONA battle.
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Old 2013-02-14, 14:23   Link #1368
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I am not so sure, Ghost4321, because i remember that the jewels represent the souls of the sempais of ISE, that now they are dead. Like the soul of VALI sempai that ISE take of the SG hand armor and put into his SG, and latter ISE invokes a part of the white armor during SONA battle.
I'll have to reread some volumes to make sure about the jewels. O.o

But on the theory of Ise's and Ddraig's souls being 1 ~heres my opinion along with things from the LNs~
Those are just the souls inside the Sacred gear man. Ddraig's soul if fine, not once anywhere in volume 12 or so far in volume 14 has there been said that Ddraig's soul is Ise's soul. Ise's soul is his own, he was only in the SG's balance breaker for a little while. Ddraig's soul is in the SG itself. Once great red and ophis made ise's new body, ise's soul was put in the new body, along with the SG which holds Ddraig's soul. Ddraigs soul is just resting since he used so much of his power along with great red and ophis to make ise's new body. (I say he helped bc apperently in volume 14 life 2, azazel said he used that much power to recreate your body(ises'))

lilNewBlood- You are correct on the fact that Ise can tap in and use all of Ddraig's power, but only to what his body is able to hold.(common sensesays, you can't put more water in a bucket then it can hold without it spilling over)
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Old 2013-02-14, 14:46   Link #1369
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I am agree with you Ghost4321, but the point is ISE transfers his own power or Draig power? during the the battle against magicans, because Draig is sleeping.
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Old 2013-02-14, 14:57   Link #1370
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Hmm, That I'm not quite sure on lion. I think (most likely i'm wrong since i havnt read volume 3 in like a month lol) that untill ise gets his balance breaker form(which is mostly comprised of Ddraigs aura/power/spirit) his boost is just his aura/power which is why he could only do it like 10 times, boosting that is before he uses gift to share it. but now that he has a dragon body, his dragon aura that he orignally had b4 he got Ddraigs SG ( it was explained in volume 3 or 4 that the only way to get the DD sg and BG sg is to have a dragon aura already or if you have dragon aura it increases the chances of getting it) should be insane since the Dragon god and True dragon remade his body.
- editing- reading your post again during the magicians. I think he transfers his own also.

There are also some interesting theorys on Ise having a Zero power and Infinite Power from when Ophis(Infinite) and Great Red(Dream, or in this case Zero) remade his body.
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Old 2013-02-14, 15:12   Link #1371
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I hope when ISE control ZERO power and Infinite power, it will be so incredible that the SG artificial opaque, and return to be the principal hero.
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Old 2013-02-14, 15:21   Link #1372
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We still don't know if he even has control over or the ability to or will be able to ever control that power. And anyway, I consider Life force as Ki. Azazel makes the comment that Ise's life force goes back between Zero and Infinite. If he were to control it he would have to learn to use Ki from koneko's sister or Biku. And if he were able to control it, that would mean hes able to control how long he lives for(since the Zero and Infinite represents his "Life Force") which intern would mean theres no point in having Akeno and Rias give his finger a magical bj, or Koneko hugging him naked using senjutsu to stabilze his life. Which he would most likely me sad about lmao
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Old 2013-02-14, 15:31   Link #1373
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Then if ISE use his Life force as Ki to attack or to be stronger, he will die?
Then he just must learn how stabilize his life to normal?
For that i see, ISE is in a corner without any hope to be stronger, like all his friends who are improving.
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Old 2013-02-14, 15:58   Link #1374
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Then if ISE use his Life force as Ki to attack or to be stronger, he will die?
Then he just must learn how stabilize his life to normal?
For that i see, ISE is in a corner without any hope to be stronger, like all his friends who are improving.
You joking right
He improve soo much until now and now that he need to solve some other problem(like always) you already count him without hope to become stronger?
I think is a good thing that his friend have begun to become stronger and Isse still can fight.
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Old 2013-02-14, 16:00   Link #1375
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^re-read vol14 again azazel was talking with him about his life force once it is zero once infinities but if he still receives treatment from akeno/rias and koneko it is back to normal. for the moment we dont know more what will happen with his life.
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~Lion
well no not exactly. Even if he can't control the Zero and Infinite, he has his new Dragonafication. As you recall in volume 14, when the magicians first came to the school and engaged Ise, Ise changed one of his arms into that of a dragon and smashed the wizards defensive magic.
My theory about this is~ Dragonafication, increases his power to much of like the boosted gear's boost does. If he can combine that with the regular "Boost" from the SG then his power will be double. If he can control and use dragonafication with the triana Rook and CCQ Rook then hopefully he will be able to obtain a brand new power thats above his current CCQ and rivals Valis Overdrive. So instead of being gifted with Magic power like Vali, Ise is gifted with a Dragons "Body" that has dragons powers in it. SOOOOOOOOOOO~~~ Being a dragon himself, and using Ddraigs dragon powers combining the two, will reach that power thats like Vali's Overdrive. His overdrive being above the Heavenly Dragons Jugg Drive (what he used to completly OWN that Ultimate class grim-reaper).
just my theory on Ise's next power up. He also shows an interest in learning magic so theres a possibility there to

personally I'm looking forward to volume 15's short stories. I'm hoping that one of the short stories are about his dragonafication. also hoping theres the date with rias and the other girls stalking them lmao.
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What do you mean Ise is in a corner without any hope of getting stronger? At the moment Ise is "weak" because Ddraig is a sleep but even without Ddraig Ise can become stronger. For example he can start learning how to use ascalon, he can train his flying with devil wings. He can train his new dragon abilities. Then there is magic. The question about the life force is one which will be resolved in time until then he can have his moments with koneko and Akeno.
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What do you mean Ise is in a corner without any hope of getting stronger? At the moment Ise is "weak" because Ddraig is a sleep but even without Ddraig Ise can become stronger. For example he can start learning how to use ascalon, he can train his flying with devil wings. He can train his new dragon abilities. Then there is magic. The question about the life force is one which will be resolved in time until then he can have his moments with koneko and Akeno.
dam right :P
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Old 2013-02-14, 16:17   Link #1379
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Wysth@ Totally agree with you .
And he still have the power from Vali/Albion as well.
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The only thing with the new dragon power is the after affects. I don't feel like re-reading volume 14 life 3 to find out what happened after it. but other then that, I'm really curious as to what magic ise might learn in the near future.
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