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Old 2013-07-05, 20:39   Link #281
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I would love to see a new antagonist who was the one who killed the previous Maou and God from the Bible. Having such a overpowered antagonist that is waaay superior than the MC and his allies brings more seriousness to the story. If I think about it, none of the good characters died yet. Well, Ise and Asia died during the story but they were resurrect.

I mean "die" permanently. Sometimes, or maybe most of the time, having a proper death for a major characters brings more impact and emotion to the story. Especially in a battling story. If you watch the death scene of Zack(FF7CC), Jiraiya(Naruto), Ulquiorra(Bleach), Ace(One Piece), White Beard(One Piece), Furuichi(Beelzbub...lol), Rider(Fate Zero), and Saber(FSN), its so emotional that it stays in you for a longtime.

Deathlists(named character in LN only); Viser(Stray Devil in Vol1), Raynare, Valper(the old guy), Katerea, Creuserey, Freed, Diodora, Shalba, and Siegfried.
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Old 2013-07-05, 20:48   Link #282
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I would love to see a new antagonist who was the one who killed the previous Maou and God from the Bible. Having such a overpowered antagonist that is waaay superior than the MC and his allies brings more seriousness to the story. If I think about it, none of the good characters died yet. Well, Ise and Asia died during the story but they were resurrect.

I mean "die" permanently. Sometimes, or maybe most of the time, having a proper death for a major characters brings more impact and emotion to the story. Especially in a battling story. If you watch the death scene of Zack(FF7CC), Jiraiya(Naruto), Ulquiorra(Bleach), Ace(One Piece), White Beard(One Piece), Furuichi(Beelzbub...lol), Rider(Fate Zero), and Saber(FSN), its so emotional that it stays in you for a longtime.

Deathlists(named character in LN only); Viser(Stray Devil in Vol1), Raynare, Valper(the old guy), Katerea, Creuserey, Freed, Diodora, Shalba, and Siegfried.
I have a feeling that either Azazel, Sairorge, Vali maybe even Sirzechswill die before the story is out. Their deaths will impact the world tremendously and would, in my eyes, lead to some very interesting character developement.

Also; Furuichi... lol
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Old 2013-07-05, 21:06   Link #283
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Well, if we're looking someone to kill that have quite an impact for Ise yet doesn't really affect the main plot ...

Azazel is one of the candidate, he has quite a relationship with Ise (in a way, he's like Ise's fun uncle), his role isn't that important anymore since someone else can handle Ise or the girls training, and he's definitely not in the harem.
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Old 2013-07-05, 21:32   Link #284
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True. Though he did say he will be stepping back from the front-line, he is still actively negotiating with their factions since he did go to Romania with Rias and Kiba.
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Well, if we're looking someone to kill that have quite an impact for Ise yet doesn't really affect the main plot ...

Azazel is one of the candidate, he has quite a relationship with Ise (in a way, he's like Ise's fun uncle), his role isn't that important anymore since someone else can handle Ise or the girls training, and he's definitely not in the harem.
That's the thing, I love it when the main story completely gets turned upside down due to a major event. Vali dying or Sirzechs dying would make the story sooo much more interesting and we as readers would benefit.
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Old 2013-07-05, 22:59   Link #286
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That's the thing, I love it when the main story completely gets turned upside down due to a major event. Vali dying or Sirzechs dying would make the story sooo much more interesting and we as readers would benefit.
The end of the story, i don't want to think about that, but i think that the clues are around of Sirzechs Lucifer comments in the light novel:

"The most important will be, What will happen after he get his harem?" I DONT REMEMBER IN WHAT VOL

I think that my era is going to end? VOL12
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The end of the story, i don't want to think about that, but i think that the clues are around of Sirzechs Lucifer comments in the light novel:

"The most important will be, What will happen after he get his harem?" I DONT REMEMBER IN WHAT VOL

I think that my era is going to end? VOL12
He already has his harem, it was confirmed once he acknowledged that the girls are all in love with him in vol. 10. He even accepted Koneko's marriage proposal. What Lucifer said was along the lines of "The era of one strong leader is over, it's now about groups of powerful people working together." What I think will happen is Sirzechs will fall and that will mark the beginning of a new era with new rookies taking the reins from the old generations.

The author stated that the story is reaching it's climax and after this arc we'll maybe get 1 or 2 more before it ends, the author wants to end it because he originally wanted Issei to begin unlocking [Crimson Cardinal Full Drive] when he had sex with Rias and finally reach it during his fight with Sairorge but the editor basically said "No, that's too much" and made it so he unlocked it when he was fighting Sairorge instead. He probably wants it to end so he can focus on his other novel or maybe go ahead and begin College DxD. Personally I'm tired of the high school scene and would like a more mature, less echi and more serious, themed story.
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Old 2013-07-06, 11:20   Link #288
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He already has his harem, it was confirmed once he acknowledged that the girls are all in love with him in vol. 10. He even accepted Koneko's marriage proposal. What Lucifer said was along the lines of "The era of one strong leader is over, it's now about groups of powerful people working together." What I think will happen is Sirzechs will fall and that will mark the beginning of a new era with new rookies taking the reins from the old generations.

The author stated that the story is reaching it's climax and after this arc we'll maybe get 1 or 2 more before it ends, the author wants to end it because he originally wanted Issei to begin unlocking [Crimson Cardinal Full Drive] when he had sex with Rias and finally reach it during his fight with Sairorge but the editor basically said "No, that's too much" and made it so he unlocked it when he was fighting Sairorge instead. He probably wants it to end so he can focus on his other novel or maybe go ahead and begin College DxD. Personally I'm tired of the high school scene and would like a more mature, less echi and more serious, themed story.
Personally, I prefer to see that this series "advance" to the next level creating an evolution of the story, as you said "College DxD", but i dont want this series "end", i desire to continue seeing Issei and Rias as the principal characters in the story, how they grow in the DxD Universe, and how the story develops.

About the harem, i think that the Raynare curse is not 100% removed yet.

And about the "College DxD", i think that there is a clue in some words that Azazel said at the begining os the story:

Issei: “…So it’s a war?”
Azazel: “No, it’s still at the skirmish level. You could say both they and us are in a preparatory period. Don’t worry, something like war won’t occur until you people graduate from university, let alone this school’s high school division. Enjoy your school life fully. —However, it is the long-awaited preparatory period. So you’ll be doing various preparations, right?”
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Personally, I prefer to see that this series "advance" to the next level creating an evolution of the story, as you said "College DxD", but i dont want this series "end", i desire to continue seeing Issei and Rias as the principal characters in the story, how they grow in the DxD Universe, and how the story develops.

About the harem, i think that the Raynare curse is not 100% removed yet.

And about the "College DxD", i think that there is a clue in some words that Azazel said at the begining os the story:

Issei: “…So it’s a war?”
Azazel: “No, it’s still at the skirmish level. You could say both they and us are in a preparatory period. Don’t worry, something like war won’t occur until you people graduate from university, let alone this school’s high school division. Enjoy your school life fully. —However, it is the long-awaited preparatory period. So you’ll be doing various preparations, right?”
So then why has Issei been taking the girls on dates, kissing the girls and accepted marriage proposals? The trauma he suffered is cured man he has his harem it's a fact, now what we've been reading is him navigating his way to make all the girls happy.

College DxD is what I'd like to see too, but you can't deny what he's said in his afterwords, he wants to end this series to either move on to a part 2 or focus on his other story.

You forgot about how Azazel has said many times that he apologized for the kids having to fight strong foes, the war has started and everyone has already participated. That was mostly speculation on Azazels part.
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Old 2013-07-06, 16:32   Link #290
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So then why has Issei been taking the girls on dates, kissing the girls and accepted marriage proposals? The trauma he suffered is cured man he has his harem it's a fact, now what we've been reading is him navigating his way to make all the girls happy.

College DxD is what I'd like to see too, but you can't deny what he's said in his afterwords, he wants to end this series to either move on to a part 2 or focus on his other story.

You forgot about how Azazel has said many times that he apologized for the kids having to fight strong foes, the war has started and everyone has already participated. That was mostly speculation on Azazels part.
About Issei been taking the girls on dates, I see them as normal dates, that dates began after Issei death in the end of Vol 12, and the author just mentioned the planification not the real romantic dates.

About the deep and romantic kisses, The ones are Rias and Asia, they 2 are the one who issei has accepted as future wifes. Akeno is beginning to improve her importance to Issei but she yet dont has a deep and romantic kiss moment of love alone with issei.

Xenovia and Irina desire babies, and the author said that they will improve their love relationship with Issei.

In general issei is just in the midle(mid class demon) of the harem, he even sleep with the girls but dont touch anything and in the end he wake up in the floor.

About College DxD, i also desire this story improve and continue, i hope with all force that the author inspires with all his fans.

For that reason i prefer dont see the terrorist attacks as the real war.
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About Issei been taking the girls on dates, I see them as normal dates, that dates began after Issei death in the end of Vol 12, and the author just mentioned the planification not the real romantic dates.

About the deep and romantic kisses, The ones are Rias and Asia, they 2 are the one who issei has accepted as future wifes. Akeno is beginning to improve her importance to Issei but she yet dont has a deep and romantic kiss moment of love alone with issei.

Xenovia and Irina desire babies, and the author said that they will improve their love relationship with Issei.
A date is a date. Rias, Asia and Koneko so far are already established as wives. Akeno has no desire to be a wife because in her words "she doesn't have to listen to Rias' rules if she's a mistress". All the girls have been responded to by Issei whether it's to marry them, have babies or go on dates with them. The harem is there what more do you want? All the girls are freaking waiting for Issei to have sex with them and get them pregnant, Issei has said he wants to have babies with all of them. Dragons naturally form harems unconsiously Issei is a powerful influential person and Rias' own mother told her that she has to "decide the order of the girls".

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For that reason i prefer dont see the terrorist attacks as the real war.
So what was the entire war when Diodora attacked the group? 10,000+ old maou devils vs 10,000+ devils? Not a war? Really? How about the invasion of the underworld? Or the fact that they've had open war with Khaos Brigade all over ther world? You do know Sairorge, Sona's, Agaress peerages plus many more unnamed devils have been fighting the Khoas brigade all over the world right? This is a war my friend. What Azazel said 8+ Volumes ago has no merit now, things change in a story.
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A date is a date. Rias, Asia and Koneko so far are already established as wives. Akeno has no desire to be a wife because in her words "she doesn't have to listen to Rias' rules if she's a mistress". All the girls have been responded to by Issei whether it's to marry them, have babies or go on dates with them. The harem is there what more do you want? All the girls are freaking waiting for Issei to have sex with them and get them pregnant, Issei has said he wants to have babies with all of them. Dragons naturally form harems unconsiously Issei is a powerful influential person and Rias' own mother told her that she has to "decide the order of the girls".


So what was the entire war when Diodora attacked the group? 10,000+ old maou devils vs 10,000+ devils? Not a war? Really? How about the invasion of the underworld? Or the fact that they've had open war with Khaos Brigade all over ther world? You do know Sairorge, Sona's, Agaress peerages plus many more unnamed devils have been fighting the Khoas brigade all over the world right? This is a war my friend. What Azazel said 8+ Volumes ago has no merit now, things change in a story.
You are saying it yourself (All the girls are freaking waiting for Issei to have sex with them and get them pregnant) that is the reason for the harem is incomplete, I see the harem as Issei being an Harem King, it mean married with all the girls who represent role importat for each "Fraction", Demons, Fallen Angels, Angels, Dragons, Youkai(Future) and Vampire(Maybe).
In this moment this is a High School Harem.

About the war, I see the terrorist actions as coup attempts, for me the a war is even more bigger, for example when all the pacifist fractions and the evil fractions will be completly defined,then will be the war.

About the story, i also remember some words of Grayfia:
"Once you become a University student, we need to prepare for the wedding quickly you know? You need to take in a husband right away when you become the heir after graduating from University."
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You are saying it yourself (All the girls are freaking waiting for Issei to have sex with them and get them pregnant) that is the reason for the harem is incomplete, I see the harem as Issei being an Harem King, it mean married with all the girls who represent role importat for each "Fraction", Demons, Fallen Angels, Angels, Dragons, Youkai(Future) and Vampire(Maybe).
In this moment this is a High School Harem.
I don't think he needs to have sex with them for them to be in his harem, but then again different attitudes. Sex, to me, isn't a catalyst for anything more like recreational fun you do so we'll agree to disagree on that. All the factions are already represented.
Devil: Rias, Asia, Xenovia and Kiba
Fallen Angels: Akeno(Barakiel and Azazel backing Issei)
Angels: Irina
Dragons: Tannin is Isseis mentor who is a mini true dragon and the "son" of Great Red and Ophis.
Youkai: Koneko
Vampire: Gasper
Norse: Rossweisse
That's pretty much every major faction represented. You want Issei to actually scream "LOOK AT ME I'M OFFICIALLY A HAREM KING WITH ALL THE FACTIONS REPRESENTED IN MY HAREM HAR HAR HAR"? It's implied.

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About the war, I see the terrorist actions as coup attempts, for me the a war is even more bigger, for example when all the pacifist fractions and the evil fractions will be completly defined,then will be the war.
Warfare now isn't like the old days with bulk army moving across the land smashing into other armies with battle formations, that is a really counter productive way to wage war. The last war like that was the American Civil War, look at WW2, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq 1&2 and Afghanistan. For all intents and purposes the author has been really good with portraying a modern warfare style consistent the lore in the story.


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About the story, i also remember some words of Grayfia:
"Once you become a University student, we need to prepare for the wedding quickly you know? You need to take in a husband right away when you become the heir after graduating from University."
Again, Grayfia said that like 6-7 volumes ago. BEFORE all the girls had been vying for Isseis affection.
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So then why has Issei been taking the girls on dates, kissing the girls and accepted marriage proposals? The trauma he suffered is cured man he has his harem it's a fact, now what we've been reading is him navigating his way to make all the girls happy.
First, I think this discussion needs to be taken to the appropriate thread.

We have discussion, many times before and many have pointed out that the trauma that was inflicted on Ise by Raynare (Yuma-chan) is not done and over with. Ise is currently in the processes of overcoming his trauma. It's not so easy to overcome something caused by your first love and girlfriend. Someone pointed out that Ise is currently in the first steps to over his trauma.
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First, I think this discussion needs to be taken to the appropriate thread.

We have discussion, many times before and many have pointed out that the trauma that was inflicted on Ise by Raynare (Yuma-chan) is not done and over with. Ise is currently in the processes of overcoming his trauma. It's not so easy to overcome something caused by your first love and girlfriend. Someone pointed out that Ise is currently in the first steps to over his trauma.
Where should this be discussed I'm new to this new layout of the high school dxd forum. I'll continue this over there.
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Where should this be discussed I'm new to this new layout of the high school dxd forum. I'll continue this over there.
Well, think about the question that @WILD_LION has posted, Speculation & Theories or Latest Release & Character Discussion. I'd say the former.
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Well, think about the question that @WILD_LION has posted, Speculation & Theories or Latest Release & Character Discussion. I'd say the former.
:3 didn't have to be so condescending there buddy >.>'
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:3 didn't have to be so condescending there buddy >.>'
I sorry, I didn't mean to sound like that and didn't mean to offend you or @WILD_LION.

I just think we should the discussion because it's only a matter of time before the MODS tells to move the discussion and or tell us that this discussion would be more appropriate on a another thread.
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I don't think he needs to have sex with them for them to be in his harem, but then again different attitudes. Sex, to me, isn't a catalyst for anything more like recreational fun you do so we'll agree to disagree on that. All the factions are already represented.
Devil: Rias, Asia, Xenovia and Kiba
Fallen Angels: Akeno(Barakiel and Azazel backing Issei)
Angels: Irina
Dragons: Tannin is Isseis mentor who is a mini true dragon and the "son" of Great Red and Ophis.
Youkai: Koneko
Vampire: Gasper
Norse: Rossweisse
That's pretty much every major faction represented. You want Issei to actually scream "LOOK AT ME I'M OFFICIALLY A HAREM KING WITH ALL THE FACTIONS REPRESENTED IN MY HAREM HAR HAR HAR"? It's implied.
I think i don't use the correct words to explain, my point is that the harem must be more serious, like Rias who is his legal wife in the underworld, Rias must decide the order of the other girls to make them ligal wifes, But Rias will have the control af all As no1. Like Venelana Gremory said.

For me this is the actual status of the harem and the Fractios:
Akeno Himejima(Devil/Fallen Angel Hybrid / Baraqiel(Vice Governor General) daughter)
Asia Argento(Devil Former Human / Twilight Healing)
Irina Shidou(Angel Former Human / Ace of Spades of Michael)
Koneko Toujou(Nekomata (Nekoshou / strong race)/Devil)
Ophis(Dragon God)
Ravel Phenex(Devil (Pure-Blooded) Princess)
Rias Gremory(Devil (Pure-Blooded) Princess)
Xenovia(Devil Former Human / Ex-Durandal User)


1 Fallen Angel
1 Angel Former Human
2 Pure Blood Devil Princess.
2 Devil Former Human
1 Nekomata Devil
1 Dragon God

Angel faction:1
Devil Fraction: 5
Fallen Angel Fraction: 1
Dragon Fraction: 1

But we must consider that Asia and Xenovia are believers in God of the Bible, so:
Angel faction:3
Devil Fraction: 3
Fallen Angel Fraction: 1
Dragon Fraction: 1

But Irina said that she can fall for Issei if he said, so:
Angel faction:2
Devil Fraction: 3
Fallen Angel Fraction: 2
Dragon Fraction: 1

The fractions Youkai, Norse and Vampire are not yet inside the harem to future wife's (Improve the Peace) Because Koneko is loyal to Gremory(Devils), Rossweisse has not fall in love 100% yet, and Gasper is a Man.

For me, the actual harem is OK, for now the author said the he will begin to concentrate in the subheroines(Le Fay, Kuroka, Sona), and in the future Rossweisse, Kunou and maybe Vampire.

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Again, Grayfia said that like 6-7 volumes ago. BEFORE all the girls had been vying for Isseis affection.
We must take clues in consideration to understand the way of the story in DxD Universe.
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I don't understand your reasoning. All the factions are represented in Rias Gremorys peerage. It doesn't matter who or what will be in Isseis harem even though all the factions are clearly represented, Ross WILL be in the harem, she's gone on a date with Issei and will probably be expanded upon and included officially as a girl vying for Issei in vol 17.
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