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Old 2013-03-07, 00:31   Link #4461
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That anon translating the History of Senshado just finished the first page it seems.

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The theory that Senshadou directly originated in Japan from mounted naginatadou, and in Europe from jousting tournaments is influential. There is also an opposing theory that it originates from competitions which occurred in ancient Greece and Rome between horse pulled, two-wheeled sensha such as chariots and quadriga. It is said that female riders participated in these races, as a light body was advantageous and, while other ancient olympic events were normally held in the nude, clothing was permitted. Of particular interest is Cynisca, the daughter of the Spartan king Archidamus II, who became a champion of these ancient olympic sensha races (though as the owner of the horse, not as the rider), and in a single act increased the participation of females. Later, female gladiators existed in Rome who would hold exhibition races while wearing dazzling costumes. The suggestiveness of things like the costumes flipping up in the wind or being torn during crashes made these races extremely popular. Even after the collapse of the western Roman empire, sensha races remained even more popular than gladiatorial battles in the eastern Roman empire, but gradually, due steep jumps in the operation expenses of sensha teams and the increasing difficulty of maintaining the nation during its decline, with the eastern Roman empire's downfall sensha races also disappeared. Because of the fact that sensha races didn't spread into other countries afterward, the mainstream opinion is that they weren't the direct origin of Senshadou.
>Throughout the western world, in any given period, the ability to use the tools of combat developed from training, and so contests using them, like those with Sensha mentioned above, were carried out as a matter of course. Examples include kendou for kenjutsu, kyuudou and archery for kyuujutsu, judo for jujitsu, wrestling and boxing for unarmed combat, and even shougi and chess, contests which mimic what were originally combat formations.

It seems that jousting matches have been held since around the 12th century in Europe, the same time as when the knight social class came into existence. As the knights were absorbed into the courtly culture, they changed from simple warriors who existed for the sake of achieving deeds of combat, into persons who valued things like decorum and loyalty, but especially devotion directed toward a lady. Then, in England, Philippa of Hainault, who was King Edward the third's queen, acted as a member of the Order of Garter. This event was copied by various other countries, and female knights successively came into existence. These female knights seem to have also participated in jousting matches, but due to their inferior physical strength compared to males, special armor appears to have been made for female use in order to prevent injuries. In the end, female knights began fighting in armored two-wheeled coaches pushed from behind by horses, and this is said to be the origin of Senshadou in western countries. In Japan on the other hand, the advent of female naginatadou was brought about during the Edo period by the popularity of legends set in the Heian period featuring brave heroines, such as the legend of the beautiful female samurai Hangaku Gozen, or the legend of Tomoe Gozen, Minamoto no Yoshinaka's beloved concubine who served heroically along side him in the suppression of Taira, as well as legends set in the Sengoku era, such as those of Tachibana Ginchiyo, or Myourin'ni who sieged Tsurusaki castle. Naginatadou became set as something essential to practice, particularly for wives of samurai and females serving noble families. This serves as the basis of Senshadou in Japan.
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Old 2013-03-07, 04:53   Link #4462
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I'm STILL waiting on Mizushima's explanation regarding all-women Senshado, tanks and World War two, which I don't need to remind everyone featured famous melees like Arracourt, Kursk, and even El Alamein. Hopefully the next pages clear things up on that regard.
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Old 2013-03-07, 06:54   Link #4463
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And a hull made from neutronium!
Does that mean that people stopped fighting wars because of multiple casualties caused by exploding consoles?
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Old 2013-03-07, 14:29   Link #4464
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We've gotten the long past of why women in military sports before, but never anything on "why tanks?" and what lead to that in the 20th century. Especially with Yukari, the History Club and Pravda making references to World War II campaigns and personalities.
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Old 2013-03-07, 14:32   Link #4465
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My guess is that Hitler broke the taboo and used men on tanks.
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Old 2013-03-07, 18:28   Link #4466
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Does that mean that people stopped fighting wars because of multiple casualties caused by exploding consoles?
And it kills everyone within 20 feet who are wearing red shirts.
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Old 2013-03-07, 23:26   Link #4467
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My guess is that Hitler broke the taboo and used men on tanks.
So you're saying that the Germans lost because no-one else was foolish enough to put men in their tanks? That makes a lot of sense.
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Old 2013-03-07, 23:41   Link #4468
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Well considering that "Kelly's Heroes" was made, one can assume that the other counties followed suit, if that was the case.

Yet the Panzer IV manual has a woman on it instead of a man like the historical Tiger manual.
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Old 2013-03-07, 23:47   Link #4469
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Well considering that "Kelly's Heroes" was made, one can assume that the other counties followed suit, if that was the case.
What I was thinking.


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Yet the Panzer IV manual has a woman on it instead of a man like the historical Tiger manual.
Could be that in the beginning only women were used (Fall Weiss), which changed when Hitler began putting men into the machines latter in the war.
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Old 2013-03-08, 01:34   Link #4470
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Unless somehow World War II was a massive sporting event starting with the 1932 Olympics for Japan and China and moving on to the 1936 Olympics with Germany and others. The 1938 Winter Olympics had more counties take up the sport with Spain, Czechoslovakia and the Soviets joining in, and finally heading to full levels in the 1940 and 1944 Olympics where the whole world got into the spirit of things.

Plus the Winter Olympics of 1942 really hammer the German spirit against the Soviets on the Stalingrad arena.

The 1934 Winter Olympics were kind of dull though as it was still just Japan and China doing Senshado. Type 89s vs. FT17s, Panzer Is, and various tankettes.
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Old 2013-03-08, 07:24   Link #4471
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Old 2013-03-08, 11:15   Link #4472
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Uh oh, looks like something has happened with Mako.
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Old 2013-03-08, 12:39   Link #4473
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Uh oh, looks like something has happened with Mako.
You mean the first two screenshots? She looks fine to me for the most part. Maybe she overslept, didn't eat well, etc.. Maybe she's even faking illness (since Saori looks one smiling).
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Old 2013-03-08, 13:31   Link #4474
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So yeah, the entire bridge crew of the ship is made up of high schoolers. Also, Mako doesn't appear to be comfortable with heights or something.
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Old 2013-03-08, 14:05   Link #4475
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So yeah, the entire bridge crew of the ship is made up of high schoolers. Also, Mako doesn't appear to be comfortable with heights or something.
I think you're right. I knew something was wrong with Mako! Poor girl.

I don't care for the edges of roofs or high balconies myself. Oddly, I have no issues with sitting with my feet hanging out of a helicopter door.
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Old 2013-03-08, 15:50   Link #4476
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So yeah, the entire bridge crew of the ship is made up of high schoolers.
Apparently including some of their classmates.
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Old 2013-03-08, 20:18   Link #4477
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What I'd really like to see, just once, is Mako laughing. She's a very somber girl. Can't blame her though.
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Old 2013-03-09, 03:21   Link #4478
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But who is the captain of this giant city-vessel?
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Old 2013-03-09, 03:30   Link #4479
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But who is the captain of this giant city-vessel?
The principal. You see him with the student council. Also remember his car?
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Old 2013-03-09, 06:01   Link #4480
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We've gotten the long past of why women in military sports before, but never anything on "why tanks?" and what lead to that in the 20th century. Especially with Yukari, the History Club and Pravda making references to World War II campaigns and personalities.
To be fair, you have remember that all too many of the WWII "greats" didn't start out in armor. Guderian was Signals, Rommel was Infantry, Patton was Cavalry, and so on. It is not hard to believe even if men were banned from tanks interwar, these same people would reach high rank and in WWII would be leading formations that include tanks.

As for WWII, it probably looked like our own, with perhaps a higher percentage of female tankers. Tankery is an expensive sport (note how few schools are in this tournament) and I suspect that not that many girls are in it total even countrywide.

As the war starts that pool will quickly dry and then the next picks will be the ones with automobile or industrial experience. Since the world except for female Tankery and huge schoolships is similar to our own, we may suspect such people would mostly be ... male.
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