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Old 2013-04-13, 10:15   Link #6221
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So what are the chances of a season 2?

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Old 2013-04-13, 10:34   Link #6222
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So what are the chances of a season 2?

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i dont think there is reason for not to
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Old 2013-04-13, 11:15   Link #6223
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There's been no announcement, but considering how incredibly popular it became it would be very surprising if they didn't do more with the series.
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Old 2013-04-13, 14:00   Link #6224
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On a completely different topic... upon further investigation I think in general the girls are actually about as awesome shots as they are drivers.

I've been doing more research on the historical accuracy and hit rates for WWII and it seems that on average you could expect to expend somewhere between 10 and 30 rounds for each kill!

Part of the reason is stress and skill, but the biggest reason is that despite the optical range estimation aids, confirming range requires at least 3 shots.

If these numbers are anywhere near right, then I think I we have to revise our conventional thinking of "the shooting part of the combat seems realistic and the driving is god-like." I'd say driving speeds, driving skill, and shooting skill have all been amped up just about the same degree for dramatic purposes.

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Old 2013-04-13, 14:42   Link #6225
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I've been doing more research on the historical accuracy and hit rates for WWII and it seems that on average you could expect to expend somewhere between 10 and 30 rounds for each kill!
The biggest problem with your idea is that ... how many shooting attempts do you see on screen that looks like they were fired at distances long enough to require bracketing, or for the dispersion to take effect? You can't just look at the hit rate average without considering the distance!

Further, generally, we complain about the HIT rate, not the destruction rate, so you don't need to count the rounds from the hitting part to the destruction part.

I'll add to this a little table I found in Osprey's "T-34/85 vs M26 Pershing" about American statistics of first round hit probability in Korean War tank vs tank fighting (they were using Shermans and Pershings plus some M24s and the North Koreans are using the T34/85) - that is, what they and the NKs actually managed in combat (thus including all the dispersion, ranging and lead-estimating errors) rather than "doubling the recorded dispersion from a lab test" technique the Germans are using:
0-350yd: 84(US)/50(NK)%
351-750yd: 63/23%
751-1,150: 39/25%
over 1,150: 16/0%

Frankly, it'll be nice if the teams on average made the NK score - they were apparently given TWO practice rounds before being considered qualified.
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Old 2013-04-13, 15:49   Link #6226
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Except the M26 Pershings were shooting while stationary. Something every amateur "researcher" tend to forget.
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Old 2013-04-13, 17:25   Link #6227
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0-350yd: 84(US)/50(NK)%
351-750yd: 63/23%
751-1,150: 39/25%
over 1,150: 16/0%
Thanks for the table. Is that % shots that result in a kill or a hit? Also not very familiar with the Korean conflict. Are those gyro stabilized at that point?

It seems that everyone agrees that the "doubling dispersion" system does not reflect reality...

Specific numbers aside, I was just surprised to find that the historical record does reflect many shots fired for each hit, even in the best of scenarios. I guess I was so used to thinking "one hit - one kill" that I hadn't considered how many shots it would take to get that hit.
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Old 2013-04-13, 17:32   Link #6228
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Old 2013-04-13, 17:57   Link #6229
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I'm not sure why the GuP/Muv-Luv crossover also features Kyubey, but that's not even considering my dislike of Muv-Luv Alternative to begin with.
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Old 2013-04-13, 20:52   Link #6230
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Except the M26 Pershings were shooting while stationary. Something every amateur "researcher" tend to forget.
Probably most of their shots were made while stationary, but if our dear Senshado tankers want to ruin their accuracy by shooting on the move, their poor hit average should still count against them.

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Thanks for the table. Is that % shots that result in a kill or a hit? Also not very familiar with the Korean conflict. Are those gyro stabilized at that point?
Hit. But that's usually the point of complaint. We do notice when the poor Type 89 gets a hit even if it does nothing

Starting from Shermans, Americans do get some stabilization, but it is quite primitive and as Sumeragi said, they almost certainly were smart enough to just stay still while they shot most of the time.
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Old 2013-04-13, 23:47   Link #6231
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...why does that look like my Star Trek Online crew?

I kid, my uniforms are 25th century types, but the Task Force Seven skirt definitely takes a leaf from this image.
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Old 2013-04-14, 03:22   Link #6232
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Old 2013-04-14, 08:21   Link #6233
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Well this is interesting:



Apparently Nakagami Ikumi, aka Yukari's VA, will be doing commentary for a DVD about the JGSDF.
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Old 2013-04-14, 09:20   Link #6234
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Well this is interesting:



Apparently Nakagami Ikumi, aka Yukari's VA, will be doing commentary for a DVD about the JGSDF.
...the JSDF really are milking Girls to Sensha for all its worth.
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Old 2013-04-14, 09:45   Link #6235
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...the JSDF really are milking Girls to Sensha for all its worth.
I knew it! The entire Mo phenomenon was just setting the stage for this show, which is clearly a trojan horse intended to fan the flames of militant nationalism and recruit naive youth!!!

I'm joking of course, but don't hold your breath if you're hoping the Chinese won't milk that interpretation.

Actually come to think of it I wonder how entrenched anime style artworks and anthropomorphic representations are in broader Japanese culture. If the country ever was moved to a war footing I wonder how much cuteness we'd still see. I'm sure we'd see civilian training materials with anime style, but given that the original Tiger I manual was done in cartoon style because of it's appeal, I could even see military training material targeting a conscript (or much larger scale volunteer) army in "Yukari style".
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Old 2013-04-14, 10:41   Link #6236
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Old 2013-04-14, 10:52   Link #6237
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I knew it! The entire Mo phenomenon was just setting the stage for this show, which is clearly a trojan horse intended to fan the flames of militant nationalism and recruit naive youth!!!

I'm joking of course, but don't hold your breath if you're hoping the Chinese won't milk that interpretation.

Actually come to think of it I wonder how entrenched anime style artworks and anthropomorphic representations are in broader Japanese culture. If the country ever was moved to a war footing I wonder how much cuteness we'd still see. I'm sure we'd see civilian training materials with anime style, but given that the original Tiger I manual was done in cartoon style because of it's appeal, I could even see military training material targeting a conscript (or much larger scale volunteer) army in "Yukari style".
Funny, I was thinking about the intention to allow women into front-line combat roles in the US military, and how the moe approach... would really, really not work out as a selling point here.

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Old 2013-04-14, 11:13   Link #6238
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I knew it! The entire Mo phenomenon was just setting the stage for this show, which is clearly a trojan horse intended to fan the flames of militant nationalism and recruit naive youth!!!

I'm joking of course, but don't hold your breath if you're hoping the Chinese won't milk that interpretation.
They already did:
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On your second point, a while back, the SDF also used some ancient Brit show called "Thunderbirds" for a similar end.

Quite frankly, I much prefer they work with Girls und Panzer.
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Old 2013-04-15, 08:43   Link #6239
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Old 2013-04-15, 10:35   Link #6240
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They already did:
Bah, China is just bitter because they weren't included in the GuP lineup!

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