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Old 2013-04-26, 14:14   Link #6361
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Than there are what a half dozen Maus around the world if you managed to use all the bodies under construction as full tanks?


Also that means Black Forest Peak and/or Miho's family has got some big buck and influance to get that many high profile tanks.

Tiger IIs, Tiger Is, jadgtiger, Ferdinand, and Maus are not common. Panthers and jadgpanzer IV, sure, but those other six tanks? No. Panzer IIIs are fairly common as well.


Ooarai having Tiger (P) is uncommon as all getout. Either they have the only combat model, or a converted recovery tank or a Ferdinand converted back to a Tiger (P). The StuG III, M3 Lee, and Panzer IV are common. The Char B1 and Type 3 might be uncommon. The Type 89 is probably common and unpopular. The Panzer 38(t) seems common enough for the conversion kit to be popular.
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Old 2013-04-26, 20:11   Link #6362
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Also that means Black Forest Peak and/or Miho's family has got some big buck and influance to get that many high profile tanks.
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Interesting info there, though yes also wondering why they can't just make replica tanks with the same specs as the originals, modernization improvements for safety notwithstanding.
To be fair, they didn't exactly rule out all possibility of replicas, just that second handers and restorations are the rule (主流). Further, those buyers able to get any tank really makes you wonder...

Nevertheless I have mixed feelings over this solution to the problem. It is canonically consistent - Yukari won't be quite so moved to see rare tanks like M4A4 (only 75 made!) and Maus if they can just be "punched out" new from a factory. However, it doesn't make a lot of sense to have tanks of "genuine lineage" as the norm. Sure, it might be a plus point for mania or "high class" Senshado clubs like a pedigree dog, and I can understand a market where they are sold for tens of times of a "replica tank", but for the public high school level certainly this is un-necessary and replica tanks are good enough.

One must turn to rather dark theories involving certain people who want to protect their trade, to include the second-hand dealers and old-time Senshado organizations wanting to preserve their superiority by keeping a hold-down on the more powerful tanks (they can't stop the Shermans but at least they can keep people from getting large numbers of higher tiered vehicles to challenge them).
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Old 2013-04-26, 21:07   Link #6363
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Some vehicles would still be rare; it would be easier to find replacement parts for the more commonly-used Sherman variants versus the rare ones like the A4s. It's possible to reverse-build parts (and possibly in the GuPverse people have done a better job of preserving blueprints than in our world), but there's still the matter of scale; turning out highly-specific individual pieces is extremely expensive compared to just running a line.

That said, this is a world with city ships half the length of Manhattan, so why wouldn't they have a CNC plant doing random tank parts for little more than the cost of electricity and materials?
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Old 2013-04-26, 21:19   Link #6364
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Even if they did make replica tanks for sports, some would be high price item just to be high price. A company that makes new replica tanks would have to have massive factories to keep up with demand of new tanks for world coverage and spares for all the existing tanks that get beat up each battle.

You'd run production lines for the common and/or popular tanks, but the others would be specialty items. I can't see anyone setting up a production line for Maus and keeping the price within a profit margin. But as a specialty item, you can charge a lot for one Maus. Assuming it isn't one of the few existing hulls. Even then, you'd have to make parts and a turret for any others save the one complete Maus in the world.

Also makes you wonder what the Automotive team did to their own tank. The speed demon Tiger (P).
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Old 2013-04-27, 01:07   Link #6365
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Industrial replicators, dood?
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Old 2013-04-27, 01:13   Link #6366
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Yeah, but then everyone would have good tanks.
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Old 2013-04-27, 04:54   Link #6367
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Technically, it is entirely possible for a scratch-build tank based off of to be admitted, as long as a prototype exist or that there's plans for it. An extreme example that I have used before would be that a 38(t) mounting the Panzer IV turret with the 8cm PAW 600 hi-low pressure gun, which would utilize planned and existing parts, or that of the Adlerturm E-100.

Modifications such as the Vampir night-vision system on the Panther or the Schmalturm turrets would be fair game.

Building a whole new tank is essentially what many restorations ended up being, as Myssa Rei has said. There is nothing that would prohibit the construction of a reproduction vehicle, as long as the said vehicle is certified by the Senshado association.

I can actually picture Ooarai going the full 9 yard and scratch build their very own IS-3 with sand casted turret...

@arkhangelsk:
Can I use your translation as a source? Would you mind if I repost this onto 4chan and the /ak/ wiki? You've already done such a nice work with it...
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Old 2013-04-27, 05:52   Link #6368
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Can I use your translation as a source? Would you mind if I repost this onto 4chan and the /ak/ wiki? You've already done such a nice work with it...
Go right ahead, Panzerfan. Refine it and post it everywhere.

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Modifications such as the Vampir night-vision system on the Panther or the Schmalturm turrets would be fair game.
But is there not already a dedicated active-IR night vision system for Panther? Why use an infantry set?

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Old 2013-04-27, 09:39   Link #6369
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I thought that Naomi was a pettanko, not... this... NSFW.

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Old 2013-04-27, 10:29   Link #6370
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Than there are what a half dozen Maus around the world if you managed to use all the bodies under construction as full tanks?


Also that means Black Forest Peak and/or Miho's family has got some big buck and influance to get that many high profile tanks.

Tiger IIs, Tiger Is, jadgtiger, Ferdinand, and Maus are not common. Panthers and jadgpanzer IV, sure, but those other six tanks? No. Panzer IIIs are fairly common as well.


Ooarai having Tiger (P) is uncommon as all getout. Either they have the only combat model, or a converted recovery tank or a Ferdinand converted back to a Tiger (P). The StuG III, M3 Lee, and Panzer IV are common. The Char B1 and Type 3 might be uncommon. The Type 89 is probably common and unpopular. The Panzer 38(t) seems common enough for the conversion kit to be popular.
Ooarai's Leopon is the prototype,chassis is different from Ferdinands and recovery vehicles as some details are different from the only production vehicle who served in the Eastern Front.

Just to avoid common and dispersive links

http://henk.fox3000.com/maus.htm
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Old 2013-04-27, 12:41   Link #6371
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@Silverkite, Ithekro: GuP universe seems to be a place where these tanks may have been in low level volume production after the war. From the OVA material, it seems to me that the Japanese issue is really in that the country is not the center of tank production and refits, so it must compete in an international market for high-profile tanks such as the German animal series.

@arkhangelsk: my bad. Nachtsichtgeraten is what I ought to have said.

This is an excerpt from the Missing Lynx:
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Minor alterations were made to the Panther G to accommodate this solution. A battery stand and electric generator were mounted in the right rear of the crew compartment by removing the three round ammunition bin stowed there. Also, the right rear external stowage bin was replaced with an armored bin for the FG1250 auxiliary equipment.


MNH were ordered to convert 50 Panthers in September, 70 in October, 80 in November and 100 in December of 1944. In November, MNH received orders to not convert any more Panthers. However, a month later, they received new orders requesting 30 more IR equipped Panthers.

Did they see action remains a constant source of controversy. In Culver & Feist's excellent reference Panther in Detail on page 138 is the following text: "In early 1945, one Panther (Ausf. A) fitted with 'Uhu' and 'Biwa' was ordered to the front at Stuhlweissenburg in Hungary. It was accompanied most probably by a Sd.Kfz. 251 fitted with 60cm 'Uhu' IR searchlight and a Sd.Kfz. 251 'Falke' support vehicle. It is reported that the 'Uhu'/'Biwa' combination worked successfully."
Something like this would've been immensely useful in Senshado matches, since they can continue well throughout the night. Having 700m visibility at night is a massive advantage.
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Old 2013-04-27, 14:20   Link #6372
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That Bento looks yummi.
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Old 2013-04-27, 16:59   Link #6374
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@Silverkite, Ithekro: GuP universe seems to be a place where these tanks may have been in low level volume production after the war. From the OVA material, it seems to me that the Japanese issue is really in that the country is not the center of tank production and refits, so it must compete in an international market for high-profile tanks such as the German animal series.
well I build models,so since I have some spare kits I'm planning to make some GuP 1/72 models,as for now I just write down a list of what I need for the Hetzer,noticed that I need both Dragon's and whatever maker was for the Maus,Trumpeter Stug Ausf. F with after market winter ketten and T34/76 '42 Cast Turret from Dragon and some other stuff here and there.

Still I have to ask if someone can print me GuP school and individual tank markings,but is on hold cause I need a good scan of Schokolade can as a base for this Panther ,once I get that I'm going to ask to some decal guys to print me them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzjT8rCAfhk
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Old 2013-04-27, 17:14   Link #6375
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"Schokolade tin" in google might get you something.
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Old 2013-04-27, 18:26   Link #6376
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Still I have to ask if someone can print me GuP school and individual tank markings,but is on hold cause I need a good scan of Schokolade can as a base for this Panther ,once I get that I'm going to ask to some decal guys to print me them
I tried some printable decals for my 15mm models, but they didn't come out well at all. :-(

Ended up doing straight adhesive labels.

Lemme know if you need the high rez markings, I have a PDF I put together.
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So we get a new character in the vein of Earl Grey it seems:

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Old 2013-04-28, 02:25   Link #6378
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This anime is not only good, its a marketing genius on par with the N7 logo.
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Anime News Network: Girls & Panzer Anime Gets 2014 Film, New OVA, Fan Disk

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Sunday's Girls und Panzer event revealed that production on an all-new film has been green-lit. Tsutomu Mizushima is once again directing the project for a 2014 opening. In addition, production on an original video anime about the battle against Anzio Girls High School has been green-lit. Finally, a fan disk with footage from Sunday's event will go on sale in September.
So instead of S2, we get MOVIE
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