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View Poll Results: Fate/Zero - Episode 22 Rating
Perfect 10 31 38.27%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 24 29.63%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 11 13.58%
7 out of 10 : Good 12 14.81%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 1.23%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 2 2.47%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2012-06-06, 02:33   Link #81
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Wonderful episode again. The scenery involving Irisviel and her descent and downfall was disturbing and the final part where she sinks into the darkness, really just drives the point home. Kotomine as well has continued his journey to the point of no return.
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Old 2012-06-06, 09:20   Link #82
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Wonderful episode again. The scenery involving Irisviel and her descent and downfall was disturbing and the final part where she sinks into the darkness, really just drives the point home. Kotomine as well has continued his journey to the point of no return.
That last smirk given by Iri was quite creepy. The whole corruption at the end was probably one of my favorite moments of the series so far.
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Old 2012-06-06, 16:52   Link #83
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Wonder what's up with the lower replies number for this episode.
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Old 2012-06-06, 16:53   Link #84
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Old 2012-06-06, 16:54   Link #85
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Wonder what's up with the lower replies number for this episode.
not much to discuss this ep.

now next ep, that give the people here plenty to discuss. Especially if it really is a double ep, i am predicting 4 - 5 pages just on Berserkers Id alone.
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Old 2012-06-06, 19:07   Link #86
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Both Saber's and Kiritsugu's wishes are pretty dangerous since one will erase over 1000 years of human history out of inability to get over your own fail and the other is a manchild's fantasy that can potentially destroy free will and humanity itself. Just as Kirei put it "any sensible adult" wouldn't do that. In the end, Caster team wishes were the more harmless looking despite all the appearances. While the 'protagonist' team has wishes that endanger the world, even if they look noble in theory.
I have to agree with you. While I certainly think that Kiritsugu's wish is well-intentioned, I don't know if he's really thought this through. The potential of his wish pretty much destroying human free will is very real.

Achieving world peace and a non-violent world through some combination of diplomacy and leading more people into freely choosing to adopt a more pacifistic philosophy would be one thing, but achieving that essentially through magic is another thing.

As vile a human being as Kirei obviously is, he's right on this particular point. Kiritsugu's desired wish is a real threat to free will, and possibly even our very sense of humanity itself.


If this Grail War was going on in the real world, I'd probably be rooting for Kariya/Berserker (if that's still an option; if not, I might have to pinch my nose really hard and root for Kirei of all people). As much as I like Saber and Waver/Rider, the desired wishes of Rider and Kiritsugu might be dangerous for us all.
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Old 2012-06-06, 19:13   Link #87
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If this Grail War was going on in the real world, I'd probably be rooting for Kariya/Berserker (if that's still an option; if not, I might have to pinch my nose really hard and root for Kirei of all people). As much as I like Saber and Waver/Rider, the desired wishes of Rider and Kiritsugu might be dangerous for us all.
But Kariya doesn't even intend to use the Grail's wish to save Sakura. His mind is so messed up, that his intention is to trade the Grail to Zouken in exchange for freeing Sakura. So by rooting for Kariya, you'd be accepting whatever wish Matou Zouken would have for the world.
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Old 2012-06-06, 19:15   Link #88
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But Kariya doesn't even intend to use the Grail's wish to save Sakura. His mind is so messed up, that his intention is to trade the Grail to Zouken in exchange for freeing Sakura. So by rooting for Kariya, you'd be accepting whatever wish Matou Zouken would have for the world.
Zouken is so far gone he can't remember why he is fighting anymore.
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Old 2012-06-06, 19:21   Link #89
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But Kariya doesn't even intend to use the Grail's wish to save Sakura. His mind is so messed up, that his intention is to trade the Grail to Zouken in exchange for freeing Sakura. So by rooting for Kariya, you'd be accepting whatever wish Matou Zouken would have for the world.
I thought it was established that Zouken was going to wish for immortality?

Granted, that bastard doesn't deserve it and likely will harm some people during his immortal life, but it likely won't have the universal repercussions that Kiritsugu or Saber or Rider's wishes would have (Rider's wish could cause a major war). As for Kirei, I don't really trust the guy (so Zouken's known wish is probably safer for humanity), but at least there's a chance Kirei won't make a harmful (to humanity) wish.
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Old 2012-06-06, 19:23   Link #90
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But Kariya doesn't even intend to use the Grail's wish to save Sakura. His mind is so messed up, that his intention is to trade the Grail to Zouken in exchange for freeing Sakura. So by rooting for Kariya, you'd be accepting whatever wish Matou Zouken would have for the world.
It's really a stupid deal. He should wish to kill Zouken... but I'm sure Zouken has thought of that. Either way, poor Kariya.
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Old 2012-06-06, 19:43   Link #91
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It's really a stupid deal. He should wish to kill Zouken... but I'm sure Zouken has thought of that. Either way, poor Kariya.
Well, the best wish for him would be that Zouken dies, for good, X years in the past. That way he can attempt to woo Aoi without fearing what Zouken would do to her, or allow her to continue as she has and give Sakura to a less demonic family. Plus, it would save his life.
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Old 2012-06-06, 19:44   Link #92
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Well, the best wish for him would be that Zouken dies, for good, X years in the past. That way he can attempt to woo Aoi without fearing what Zouken would do to her, or allow her to continue as she has and give Sakura to a less demonic family. Plus, it would save his life.
I wish that Zouken never existed!

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Old 2012-06-06, 19:49   Link #93
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I wish that Zouken never existed!

*Grail-kun drops knife*

Haha, only problem with that is that then neither does Kariya. If he had presence of mind, he'd at least keep himself in continuity.
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Old 2012-06-07, 16:05   Link #94
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I couldn't help but laugh at the Kiritsugu and Saber scene. Saber is depressed and doesn't know what to do and Kiritsugu basically just sits there looking sullen while pretty much telling her to F off.

Again though it was Kotomine who stole the episode. His scene with Iri finally seals the Kotomine vs Kiritsugu dynamic in full. As a man who went through a lot of toil to be pious, and an upstanding husband, son, and more, but could not get any joy out of it no matter what he did, there was absolutely no way he'd able to accept someone like Kiritsugu. A person who willingly became like Kotomine, throwing away his happiness and joy in order to pursue an ideal to its fullest. An ideal that is basically unattainable by normal means, a childish dream.

Kotomine obviously would feel anger and hatred towards this person who had everything he couldn't have but willingly became like his for such lofty ideals. Now his quest to destroy his dreams in turn begins. Delicious.

Can't wait for the showdown of Gil and Rider next episode.
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Old 2012-06-08, 05:57   Link #95
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Good news, episode 23 still airs tomorrow. Even I thought that it will be on hiatus because there were no usual previews on Wednesday/Thursday, but finally it released today:

Spoiler for Episode 23:


ufotable said in a recent interview that they had the best team for the Ionion Hetairoi for this episode, so that will be something to look forward for.
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Old 2012-06-09, 07:36   Link #96
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Spoiler for Episode 23:
bloody awesome. Can't wait to see it in action
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Old 2012-06-09, 10:03   Link #97
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As always, thanks for the preview screencaps&the info blue sora!!^_^ I'm totally physched for tonight/tommorow ep.
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