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Old 2013-05-04, 09:26   Link #981
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You do realize sports is a genre while Josei is a demographic so really its both.
a sports anime that is aimed at "onee-san"s? Never heard of it, I do remember that season 1 had problems because of that, it was from a josei magazine but was as intense as a sports anime, which are typically for shonen if I remember correctly.

anyway, as usual, this episode delivers, It really felt like only 5 minutes has passed and then suddenly the ED plays lol. for me, that's the best thing about chihayafuru, whether season 1 or 2. You couldn't care less about the pacing of each episode because its always over before you know it.
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Old 2013-05-04, 11:26   Link #982
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I'm curious who the episode director was this week. I really liked the shots that layered the sketch of Chihaya over the beautifully rendered backgrounds like this:



Overall I thought there was more artistry in this episode than in some of the other recent installments though it certainly conformed to the overall patterns.

This one was worth the extra week's wait. As ahelo says, it was once again over in an instant.

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a sports anime that is aimed at "onee-san"s? Never heard of it
I think a lot of girls and women watched Cross Game. It was sponsored in part by the Japanese Womens' Baseball League. There was also a promotional video that I cannot find any longer where that show's main female character Aoba "pitched" batting practice to one of the teams. My college-aged daughter has watched Cross Game twice, and she is not a baseball fan. And, while Shion no Ou was originally published as a seinen manga, I'm sure it had a lot of female viewers as well.

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Old 2013-05-04, 11:26   Link #983
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Superb episode. Like early rounds to a boxing match there are just light jabs and exploratory shots , the action is still calm and calculated, as each players try size up the competition. It won't be long whether it'll about it be going for the kill or hang on for long haul.

This game does goes like long size up between the characters. The story does move on a very leisurely but firm pace, as the viewers gets treated to more on their opponents and their ways in playing and to their personality which are reflected by it.

Mind you there is never a boring moment in this episode as us viewers gets bombarded with new minute information. Like the colors of the poems are as evident as to the tone of the words and the emotions of it's meaning. The Psychology of the play and the difference of approach of an experienced player against to one who isn't.

Love the slow mellowing of Shinobu as she is being drawn on the group tournament that she regularly dismiss. Chihaya sure does impress a sore spot to Shinobu's pride. Unless someone is a real challenge to her, all people she consider as just invisible. Chihaya magic is slowly drawing her in.

Next week is sure to be hailstorm as everyone finally gets serious.
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Old 2013-05-04, 13:40   Link #984
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a sports anime that is aimed at "onee-san"s? Never heard of it, I do remember that season 1 had problems because of that, it was from a josei magazine but was as intense as a sports anime, which are typically for shonen if I remember correctly.
But whether you never heard of it or not that is what it is. Genres can be targeted at any demographic.

Sports does not=boys and men only

Also I want to point out that manga itself is extremely diverse, more so than even anime. So just because you never heard of it doesn't mean Chihayafuru is the only sports series targeted at women out there.
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Old 2013-05-04, 14:19   Link #985
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I think a lot of girls and women watched Cross Game. It was sponsored in part by the Japanese Womens' Baseball League. There was also a promotional video that I cannot find any longer where that show's main female character Aoba "pitched" batting practice to one of the teams. My college-aged daughter has watched Cross Game twice, and she is not a baseball fan. And, while Shion no Ou was originally published as a seinen manga, I'm sure it had a lot of female viewers as well.
I've never really watched the series, as I'm not a fan of baseball or sports anime in general, but it's nice to know that there's a sports anime that's universally liked by both sexes, although from what I can remember that anime had a romantic subplot so that might've also helped.

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But whether you never heard of it or not that is what it is. Genres can be targeted at any demographic.

Sports does not=boys and men only

Also I want to point out that manga itself is extremely diverse, more so than even anime. So just because you never heard of it doesn't mean Chihayafuru is the only sports series targeted at women out there.
like I said, "typically". I'll have to admit I know almost nothing about sports anime, so whenever I hear a series being tagged as a sports anime I assume its targeted towards men in general, but that doesn't mean it won't be enjoyed by women as well, or that there won't be a sports anime for women ever.

What I really would've liked to address was the fact that chihayafuru was always (at least in my opinion) tagged as a josei series first and only as a sports anime after. From my experience most (male) people I know won't even look at it just because I mentioned that there's a love story involved, even though its as or even more intense as any other sports anime (prince of tennis comes to mind) I know, and that at this point the only "love story" element I can see is the face taichi makes whenever he hears arata's name.

oh well, its their loss anyway.
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Old 2013-05-04, 14:25   Link #986
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a sports anime that is aimed at "onee-san"s?
Here you go.
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Old 2013-05-04, 15:54   Link #987
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I'll definitely agree with you there that its aimed at girls. LOL.
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Old 2013-05-04, 19:18   Link #988
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Not to mention OoFuri, which is clearly aimed at a female audience. It's a Western misconception that the target demographic for a series is strictly limited by which magazine publishes it. You think WSJ doesn't know who most of the audience for Kuroko is?
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Old 2013-05-05, 16:41   Link #989
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This week's match is not as intense as the previous match. Chihaya is facing Rion-chan. Taichi and others are facing strong opponents. It's different case in Chihaya's case. Rion-chan has the potential to be the number one play, but she lacks the passion in the game. She can be a very strong player, but she can be a very weak player. Her only concern is about others' view point. Too bad, she is not in a good condition. Chihaya is gaining the experience from playing her.

For Taichi, he's having a tough match. His opponent is the best player in his team. As Rion, Taichi is a A level player stucked in B class. He has to adjust his mental state.
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Old 2013-05-05, 23:02   Link #990
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a sports anime that is aimed at "onee-san"s? Never heard of it, I do remember that season 1 had problems because of that, it was from a josei magazine but was as intense as a sports anime, which are typically for shonen if I remember correctly.


That's pretty much what this is. . .I just marathoned this show and it is full of unnecessary: "Drama for drams sake" which is pretty much full of fantasy stuff that would NEVER happen in real life which is basically porn for women
. i.e. there are 0 guys in mashima's position: hottest, smartest, famous guy in HIGH school and pretty much is trying to focus on the MC hoping "she realizes he loves her" etc etc. . .any HIGH school kid in that situation would not be wasting his time chasing one girl when there's hundreds that want him. ESPECIALLY after knowing that in Japan, junior high school forbidden students to have relationships with each other(and yes junior high schools do have strict involvement and say in their lives. . .but that's a different discussion)

Then the whole love triangle thing with Arata and Taichi that started. . .in grade school? and apparently Arata never bothered to find out what a girl was? yeaaa. . .no.

all this (and more but I dont feel like typing a lot) is pretty much soap opera chick crack. I"m not even going to get into some of the forced drama during the matches due to the whims of the Author. . .

that being said, I still like the show. I don't regarded on the likes of the greats but its still a good show. . .a bit predictable(for the above reasons)but still very entertaining. (although I just skip through a lot of the fluff)
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Old 2013-05-06, 06:37   Link #991
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Another great episode, although this one was particularly frustrating. I want to see the end of the match! But it was nice to have Shinobu there. I don't think the characters playing in the matches have noticed she's there, so they probably won't be extra fired up at seeing her, but it is very interesting to see things from her perspective.

The individual matches are the next day, right? I have to wonder whether Chihaya is going to be able to play. I expect her to win against Rion, but Rion's going to have to pick up the pace a bit more next episode.

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...porn for women .

...pretty much soap opera chick crack.
Not that Chihayafuru is above criticism or that everyone has to like the small quantity of romantic subplot that the series has - which is not much of a romantic subplot, given that Chihaya is so very focused on her karuta and quite possibly would not know romance if it bit her - but describing the series in the way above seems a bit...lacking in respect. So what if the series is aimed at women, that doesn't make that something to belittle it for.

Anyway, addressing your point about Taichi, there are plenty of "unrealistic" characters in anime. It's hard to find a series full of totally normal, average characters. Chihaya for one has "beauty in vain" gorgeous model looks, great fitness, uncanny hearing, and buckets of wholesome pure-hearted protagonist firey passion and dedication. Taichi "jack of all trades, master of none" is good looking/popular/intelligent, but he's also an example of a kid who's been suffering from pushy parental constant-winning expectations and is trying to find himself. Sure, he could have been and stayed a shallow guy who was content with never challenging himself with things he didn't know he could definitely win (whether in romance or in anything else), but...there wouldn't be much of a role in the series for him if that was the case, 'cause he'd never have come back to karuta.
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Old 2013-05-06, 08:08   Link #992
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Most of the characters in Chihayafuru are good looking but that is nothing new for anime. You get very few average looking characters in anime and even less so in lead roles.

I don't find anything overly unrealistic or fantasy like about Chihayafuru. Although the fandom is a bit annoying when it comes to the love triangle, I think it is a testament to the story that ALL 3 characters (Arata, Taichi, and Chihaya) are extremely likable. It is so easy to make one character in the triangle the bad guy but that is not the case in Chihayafuru (even if certain fans want to bash the characters).

As for the "drama" um I don't see anything overly dramatic about this story nor do I see anything all that predictable when you can never tell if characters will win or lose. Sure maybe the crying after matches might seem like a bit much but it's not like this is the same as angst. It's like Chihaya says you can be sad at losing and still have fun. I think this is the feeling I get from the series. I am sad when the characters don't win but I am still inspired by watching them play.

At times maybe Taichi's jealous looks are a bit much but they last a few seconds at most and is not really a part of the episode as a whole. And I don't think it is bad writing that a popular guy might actually be in love with the girl he might not be able to get. Maybe he cares more about Chihaya then just getting a pretty girl.

Calling this a soap opera and porn for girls is just stupid. I can kind if understand maybe people saying that about Free! (even though it is too early to judge it) because yeah I am sure most people are initially interested for the "cute boys".

But I am watching Chihayafuru for the story and characters, not because of how they look and the DRAMA.
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Old 2013-05-09, 09:32   Link #993
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The title poem for this episode is #22. Here is Joshua Mostow's translation:

As soon as it blows,
the autumn trees and grasses
droop, and this must be why,
quite rightly, the mountain wind
is called “the ravager.”

The card has a strong association with Chihaya. It is her "first card," the one she first takes as a kid at the Shiranami society, and which she names to herself as her "first card." It appears at various key moments: for instance, it is the first card she takes against Shinobu in their earlier match, where it is a promise of the unstoppable divine wind Chihaya will become when she finally defeats Shinobu to become queen. If Arata's karuta is water, then Chihaya's is wind: the ravager, the divine force signfied by Chihaya's namesake word "Chihayaburu," which Kana tells us "is a pillow word for gods that implies great force."

As far as I can tell, #22 does not appear in the episode. Instead, the title phrase--"Fuku Kara Ni," Crunchyroll's "Gust of Wind"--refers to Chihaya herself, when she refuses to give up against Rion, fights her way back into the match, and inspires the rest of her team to fight on as well. The phrase can refer to Chihaya's passion, "the passion [that] always come from Chihaya," as Taichi remarks. Or it can refer to the moment when the story shifts, when wind suddenly blows, to change the direction of the match. The amazing scene where all the guys rise as one and set their faces in determination is clearly that moment...

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If Taichi has an element, it must be fire: the burning magma inside, the determination not to give up, which Taichi feels within himself, and realizes is distinct from Chihaya's passion.

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This is the 17th episode of the second season, which matches the 17 of the Chihayaburu card. Coincidentally, the 17th chapter of the manga tells a similar story, about how Mizusawa refuses to give up against Hokuo in their first regional championship. There Chihaya fights back against Sudo, and then the other team members get inspired--this is when Nishida does his famous barrel roll.
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Old 2013-05-10, 16:07   Link #994
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Damn the suspense is killing me now... the best part is yet to come... Fujisaki leads 2:0 but the 3 best players from Mizusawa are still in play, but all are still behind.
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Old 2013-05-10, 16:08   Link #995
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Old 2013-05-10, 16:11   Link #996
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Wow the author is pulling off every trick in the 'let's make this as dramatic and tense as possible' in the sport tropes book.

I admit I was really laughing at the Gear second line.
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Old 2013-05-10, 17:24   Link #997
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Episode 18

They are torturing us!!! Please make Mizusawa win! If Chihaya isn't able to participate in the individuals at least make her win this!
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Old 2013-05-10, 18:44   Link #998
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Shinobu currently kinda makes the show for me.
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Old 2013-05-10, 19:45   Link #999
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Didn't know Shinobu and Arata have a telepathic connection lol.

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Shinobu currently kinda makes the show for me.
Oh yeah definitely. I remember Bakuman saying that a battle manga needs a good rival/antagonist, and Shinobu is by far the most interesting out of any character for me. Even back in S1 I kinda put Chihayafuru on hiatus partly because of the flashback episode and partly because it was the same old/same old, but once Shinobu got the proper spotlight, I marathoned the entire thing. XD

And now she's all tsun about team Karuta, and now she's showing more dere once seeing Mizusawa play? HHHHNNNNGGGG
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Old 2013-05-10, 20:29   Link #1000
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So much tension that'll take more than a sharp Katana to cut through this. The week can't go fast enough.

To me episode 18, whether team Mizusawa wins or loose will have a lasting effect on our shows ice-queen Shinobu. Seeing for herself the passion that all the team players give to the game and seeing really good players in them like Chihaya, Megumu, Rion ...etc really putting their all, it's no wonder the fire of passion is really lighting up in heart. It won't be long for it'll be fiery blaze.
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