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Old 2012-06-21, 18:59   Link #141
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So there's no new chapter out this week??
apparently not. but the debates here make a pretty good read too. the next best thing after reading the actual manga, is reading other ppls thoughts on it. but who am i telling this...
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Old 2012-06-22, 11:22   Link #142
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You're missing my point.
I said "retrospect".

Meaning, Japanese fans thoght the term was used generic at the time, but after haki was introduced into the story, we can recall back to when the term was used in the past.
But to non-Japanese, since the term didn't even EXIST (through translation), they aren't given that option.

Ah, my bad. But yeah, that does make sense since the meaning of haki was (and technically still is) lost in translation for us English-speakers....


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I, too, believe that Oda conceived of these things well in advance before those events unfolded in the story. It's just that in retrospect, some feel that the "they" comment was referring to BB having an "abnormal" body (something additional/different that allows him to house more than one DF in his body). In this particular case, Luffy and Zoro referring to BB's crewmates makes a lot more sense and is much more logical.


I agree. I also figured that Luffy and Zoro were referring to Teach's crew as a whole. But now that this was brought up, I'm now reminded of something else: I remember something about a line from Ace in chapter 440 where he mentions something about Blackbeard being around "twice as long" as him or something like that. Most of us figured that he was referring to Blackbeard's age, but I recall someone else (I think it may have been Aohige, but I'm not sure about this) making a correction on that line. I think it was supposed to be something about Teach having "twice the life" or something like that instead. So that right there may have been an earlier indicator of Teach having an abnormal body (though again, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken here).....
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Old 2012-06-22, 14:48   Link #143
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I agree. I also figured that Luffy and Zoro were referring to Teach's crew as a whole. But now that this was brought up, I'm now reminded of something else: I remember something about a line from Ace in chapter 440 where he mentions something about Blackbeard being around "twice as long" as him or something like that. Most of us figured that he was referring to Blackbeard's age, but I recall someone else (I think it may have been Aohige, but I'm not sure about this) making a correction on that line. I think it was supposed to be something about Teach having "twice the life" or something like that instead. So that right there may have been an earlier indicator of Teach having an abnormal body (though again, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken here).....
Pre-time-skip Teach was 38, whereas Ace was 20. Ace's line about Teach having been around "twice as long" falls in line perfectly with their respective ages. Furthermore, I don't see why Ace would allude to BB having an "abnormal" body when that had nothing to do with the death of Thatch. Really, Ace was essentially telling a veteran like Teach to stop playing ignorant.
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Old 2012-06-22, 20:17   Link #144
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I have said this again and again.

When Ace said that sentence, it was not structured normally.
It was oddly strengthend "living double the life of a person", and not "me".

Again, I stress, it was NOT WORDED NORMALLY, strongly implying something abnormal.
This has been a long speculation in Japanese community of what it meant, and furthermore, One Piece Green book confirmed truth about Teach's abnormality lies in this phrase.

I have been saying this for years, arguing that translators, who do not catch the small nuances of Japanese laguage, have mistranslated this line making assumption like yours.
In a few years, you will all come back to me and I will cry yet another "I TOLD YOU SO" rant. Again.

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Old 2012-06-22, 21:29   Link #145
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One Piece Green book confirmed truth about Teach's abnormality lies in this phrase.
That's all I need to know then. Thank you, Aohige .
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Old 2012-06-22, 23:09   Link #146
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Huh, I wasn't aware that even Green pointed out how odd Ace's line was. Well nonetheless, I also offer my thanks to you for clearing up the confusion around that line, Aohige.
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Old 2012-06-24, 01:51   Link #147
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Any one think maybe the mystery person might be Dragon?

Maybe Law was overwhelmed by his haki or maybe something to do with his possible DF powers.

I am saying this because Law looked to have problem breathing. If Dragon had air/wind powers maybe that could be a reason he couldn't do anything.
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Old 2012-06-24, 02:49   Link #148
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Any one think maybe the mystery person might be Dragon?

Maybe Law was overwhelmed by his haki or maybe something to do with his possible DF powers.

I am saying this because Law looked to have problem breathing. If Dragon had air/wind powers maybe that could be a reason he couldn't do anything.
dragon? anything is possible at this point. but my money is on that joker persona.
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Old 2012-06-24, 17:21   Link #149
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dragon? anything is possible at this point. but my money is on that joker persona.
I personally think it is too cliche for it to be joker and In my personal opinion Oda's writing style doesn't usually follow the cliche path ( at least on cliffhangers). He just introduced Joker and usually when he does introduce some one, it takes some time before we get to know them.

Few examples are Jinbei and Whitebeard. They were introduced early but took a while before they actually took the spotlight. Just my personal opinion .

If i had to guess who it is, it would be in this order for me,

Aokiji, Dragon, Akainu, Kaidou, joker and lastly Shanks ( low chance but small possibility)

But i can see why so many people are betting on joker. I personally want to know who this Joker character is as well . More than that as many are already contemplating Joker is most likely a code name. I wonder if it is a new character or an already known one.
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Old 2012-06-24, 22:36   Link #150
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Aokiji, Dragon, Akainu, Kaidou
There is no reason for any of these to appear here at this time.

For starters, we know that X is someone Law knows (and presumably fears) from before. There is no indication that Law knew Aokiji or Akainu personally during the war.

Throwing Kaidou in the middle of an arc would not make any sense at all, especially since Luffy already has unfinished business with Big Mom.
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Old 2012-06-25, 04:08   Link #151
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But i can see why so many people are betting on joker. I personally want to know who this Joker character is as well . More than that as many are already contemplating Joker is most likely a code name. I wonder if it is a new character or an already known one.
joker could be just a code name. for all we know he is already a known character. as to who he really is, now that's the mystery. oda might actually spring a surprise by making him turn out into a character we all know but the least likely we thought would appear.
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Old 2012-06-25, 10:04   Link #152
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I personally think it is too cliche for it to be joker and In my personal opinion Oda's writing style doesn't usually follow the cliche path ( at least on cliffhangers). He just introduced Joker and usually when he does introduce some one, it takes some time before we get to know them.

Even if it is "too cliche", it's still the most logical and likely guess at this point. And it's not like Oda hasn't introduced new characters a mere few chapters after their names are first mentioned. If we exclude new villains, the most recent examples I can think of are Ivankov (who was introduced a few chapters after Bon Clay first mentioned him in ID), and Sabo (who appears in Luffy's flashback just a few chapters after Ace mentioned him in his dying speech). That being said, if Joker IS a preexisting character, I'd also guess that he was the guy that Doflamingo was chatting with before the timeskip (when he reported Moria's escape).



Anyways, before anyone else asks: YES, THERE WILL BE A CHAPTER THIS WEEK. So expect the new thread to be up around early Wednesday morning....
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Old 2012-06-25, 20:46   Link #153
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There is no reason for any of these to appear here at this time.

For starters, we know that X is someone Law knows (and presumably fears) from before. There is no indication that Law knew Aokiji or Akainu personally during the war.

Throwing Kaidou in the middle of an arc would not make any sense at all, especially since Luffy already has unfinished business with Big Mom.
Since when Oda has always been so Logical ? As for reasons, There could be many . The Incident 4 years ago, the fight 2 years, The thing that Law is currently after, ... . He could also make new reasons as why they are there and if they knew each other before.


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Even if it is "too cliche", it's still the most logical and likely guess at this point. And it's not like Oda hasn't introduced new characters a mere few chapters after their names are first mentioned. If we exclude new villains, the most recent examples I can think of are Ivankov (who was introduced a few chapters after Bon Clay first mentioned him in ID), and Sabo (who appears in Luffy's flashback just a few chapters after Ace mentioned him in his dying speech). That being said, if Joker IS a preexisting character, I'd also guess that he was the guy that Doflamingo was chatting with before the timeskip (when he reported Moria's escape).



Anyways, before anyone else asks: YES, THERE WILL BE A CHAPTER THIS WEEK. So expect the new thread to be up around early Wednesday morning....
I am not saying it can't be joker, just mentioning other strong possibilities . It could very well be Joker. However a lot of writers do this too: They drop in a hint or word to distract others from what they are about to introduce. Joker could very well be a distraction that Oda just put there ( for now) for him to surprise us.
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Old 2012-06-25, 23:54   Link #154
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However a lot of writers do this too: They drop in a hint or word to distract others from what they are about to introduce. Joker could very well be a distraction that Oda just put there ( for now) for him to surprise us.
Since when was Oda so predictable?
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Old 2012-06-26, 01:10   Link #155
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Since when was Oda so predictable?
I am suggesting he isn't . Because at times he does use a hint to distract us and at other times he is so cliche that you are surprised of what happens.

He isn't always predictable. Actually most of the time he isn't. That's why i am saying there could be all these options ( or even more) for the mysterious person.
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That's why i am saying there could be all these options ( or even more) for the mysterious person.
There's no more reason for your suggestions than others.

Then why don't you allow me a few more:

It could also be:

1) the bear (i.e. his crewmate).. now with new footwear!
2) Sabo
3) Kidd
4) Big Mom
5) Magellan
6) Kuma
7) Doflamingo
8) Vivi (..cos why the fuck not right?)
9) Hell it might as well be someone who we thought dead.. how about Whitebeard?

There you go, I hope I have enlightened your day with my 'insights'.
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Old 2012-06-26, 02:23   Link #157
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There's no more reason for your suggestions than others.

Then why don't you allow me a few more:

It could also be:

1) the bear (i.e. his crewmate).. now with new footwear!
2) Sabo
3) Kidd
4) Big Mom
5) Magellan
6) Kuma
7) Doflamingo
8) Vivi (..cos why the fuck not right?)
9) Hell it might as well be someone who we thought dead.. how about Whitebeard?

There you go, I hope I have enlightened your day with my 'insights'.
Well Oda is the writer here not me. I mentioned those that i thought have a good chance of being there.

Aokiji= mainly because from the drawing the mysterious person does look like him.

Akainu= Again really from the outfit and his personality in general. I am not the first to suggest he might be the person( less likely person).

Dragon= He is the revolutionary leader who is trying to change the whole government in one piece. We don't know what kind of man he is nor his methods. He might be after the weapon/unknown thing that Law is after in that Island. That could have been one of the reasons he was after Robin too ( to get info and find the weapon).

Kaidou= Unknown person. He might have been the Yonkou that Law is after. For all we know he could have been defeated by him and his crew missing can have something to do with him. Or maybe he is blackmailing Law to defeat another Yonkou. He seemed to have used some cheap trick against Moriah and only challenged Whitebeard when he was at his most vulnerable. Or It could be him because Oda just wanted us to know more about him. We already know about other Yonkous, it wouldn't be odd that his turn has come.

Well to be honest i am just stating on my opinion on who it could be. I reasonably believe it could be any of the guys that i mentioned ( including joker)

Also i think you misunderstood my " ( Or even more)" part. I meant it could be some else beside what i mentioned. It could be some one completely new that we have never heard about before ( thus i said " even more" ).

P.S. Although I enjoyed this conversation with you, i think we should just wait and see who it is while reserving the right to state our opinion. Cheers .

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Old 2012-06-26, 02:36   Link #158
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It's hilarious that, you know, ENTIRELY NEW CHARACTER YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN does not seem to even be an option for these.... "theorists".
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It's hilarious that, you know, ENTIRELY NEW CHARACTER YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN does not seem to even be an option for these.... "theorists".
it's possible that it could be someone new as well. it could be someone connected to the yonkou that law wants to defeat. after all, law had to have a reason why he wanted that particular yonkou destroyed. just saying.
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It's hilarious that, you know, ENTIRELY NEW CHARACTER YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN does not seem to even be an option for these.... "theorists".
I agree with the possibility of entirely new Character part of your post .

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