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Old 2013-01-27, 10:56   Link #1121
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o Demon Queen is off. Where are her self-doubts and worries? Hero is off. A particularly wimpy version. Female Knight is completely off. Where is her positive disposition and humor? Big sister maid is off. She wants to run and fight? Are you kidding me?? Having prior knowledge of the material hurts, because what I know (and hold dear) is incompatible with the anime version. Not knowing the show might be much better.
I think you're suffering too much from foreknowledge.
DQ self doubts and worries don't really start creeping in until the effects of what she is doing has a much wider scale and repercussions aren't easy to see as being purely positive.

Hero is comes off as very naive and at times childish with hints of deeper waters worrying if he is useful in helping people in the LN and Manga He's the same in the anime the only difference is we haven't seen just how overwhelmingly powerful he is.

Given so far 80% of the time we have seen Female Knight she Had been in Drill Sgt mode or having her Berserk buttons spammed there haven't been a real chance to see those sides of her (and as far as I can remember only parts of her training the boys was cut) but it is there during her talk with BSM along with her big old ball of Hero abandonment issues that is even more of the core of her character.

The core of BSM is her fear that she still isn't human, it's driven home in the novel, it's driven home in the manga, and now surprise it's being driven home in the anime. She's asking to learn to run (not run away) and fight like the boys because she sees it as yet another poof she is human and not a bug.
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o Completely omitting the Hero's efforts as Dark Knight? Seriously? By stripping this, they fail to make the viewers understand the nature of the demon world.
We can't say they are Completely omitting the Hero's efforts as Dark Knight, I can see why the Fairy rescues was cut as the only things that show up there that aren't illustrated else where in more central parts of the story is that he save the queen and got word that Witch Girl was in the library. The fight with Fire dragon is also kinda pointless story wise as the letter hits all the important parts of it . As for Gateway it's clear Hero hasn't been there yet because if nothing else it would have been covered in a letter.

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Sorry. This one is a failing grade for me, because I don't want this anime to pollute my own impression of the MaoYuuverse any more. I hope that in 3-4 years someone competent with a proper budget and at least 2 seasons makes another attempt.

With a heavy heart: *Drop*
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Old 2013-01-27, 11:12   Link #1122
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The negotiations with the Merchant's Alliance were treading into a narrow and uneasy path; the assassins were ready, but the Ghosts were ready as well to counter them.

Maou delivered a very tactical speech of reasoning to the Merchants, appealing to their sense of economy. First and foremost, they are Merchants before being representatives of the Church, and/or administrators of the Central countries.

With the cards well played by Maou she finally opened the Merchants' view to seek a covenant with her and the ideas she has to offer to enrich the nations and ending the war in a stalemate: Win-2-Win scenario, no winners and no losers.

Now, moving next with Yuusha.
Well, the mansion has who knows how many ghosts patrolling the surrounding vicinities and courtyards from the outside and roaming the inside of the property.
They alerted Head Maid about Yuusha's return.

Head Maid let's on that feelings from Maou to Yuusha and Yuusha to Maou should be treated by the two of them on their own and stop beating unnecesarily around the bush.

Mmhhh, Maou pouting that she's never heard of Maou for about six months, and she's worrying anxiously. Next time she gets him on sight she's going to nab him and take a bite out of the Yuusha.

Finally, the scenario doesn't bode with the Southern Nations being forced to mobilize for war.
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Old 2013-01-27, 18:12   Link #1123
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Zetman sucked because it was %70 bad anime-original ideas. They never intended to be faithful to the source material like Maoyu is doing.
And where do you think the anime-original ideas come from? Those come from the need to squeeze all those materials in just 12 episodes.

(If you like to talk more about this, just PM me before a mod warns us for being off-topic)

That said, I already stopped comparing Maoyuu anime with the Kotowaru manga since episode three. I based my judgement each episode solely from the value of the anime itself (eg. story, animation, score, pacing, VAs, etc) and some comparison with what I know from the source novel.
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Old 2013-01-27, 18:45   Link #1124
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Does anyone know if the symbols in the ed (that was deciphered some time ago) ever become a full font that one can download (ala arial, times new roman, and etc.)?

Would very much want that font!!
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Old 2013-01-27, 19:18   Link #1125
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The fight with Fire dragon is also kinda pointless story wise as the letter hits all the important parts of it . As for Gateway it's clear Hero hasn't been there yet because if nothing else it would have been covered in a letter.
Wrong, the fight with the Fire Dragon, and heck all of the Hero's fights in the Demon World give us a REAL idea of just how powerful he is, which prior to this point of the story we've never actually seen first-hand. The Fire Dragon Lord in particular lasted for several hours, and he pretty much made the guy give up in frustration.
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Old 2013-01-27, 19:28   Link #1126
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Wrong, the fight with the Fire Dragon, and heck all of the Hero's fights in the Demon World give us a REAL idea of just how powerful he is, which prior to this point of the story we've never actually seen first-hand. The Fire Dragon Lord in particular lasted for several hours, and he pretty much made the guy give up in frustration.
It's worth noting that
Spoiler for technically manga spoilers, I guess.:
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Old 2013-01-27, 22:51   Link #1127
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Wrong, the fight with the Fire Dragon, and heck all of the Hero's fights in the Demon World give us a REAL idea of just how powerful he is, which prior to this point of the story we've never actually seen first-hand. The Fire Dragon Lord in particular lasted for several hours, and he pretty much made the guy give up in frustration.
We've Known from the start that Hero is capable of soloing the demon world. The fight adds nothing but a bunch of flashy filler as none of his fighting moves are useful in the plot at large as last I checked he doesn't have moves like "feed the poor slash", "literacy improving kick" or "open lines of diplomacy strike". Ok maybe he has the last one.
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Old 2013-01-27, 23:19   Link #1128
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We've Known from the start that Hero is capable of soloing the demon world. The fight adds nothing but a bunch of flashy filler as none of his fighting moves are useful in the plot at large as last I checked he doesn't have moves like "feed the poor slash", "literacy improving kick" or "open lines of diplomacy strike". Ok maybe he has the last one.
You see what I think here is that we have a different definition on what is "important". I'm not sure if I'm alone here in thinking that we actually have to SEE the Hero being the unstoppable powerhouse he's supposed to be. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer seeing stuff like that displayed, because I'm less inclined to believe it when I'm just told about it.
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Old 2013-01-27, 23:20   Link #1129
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We've Known from the start that Hero is capable of soloing the demon world. The fight adds nothing but a bunch of flashy filler as none of his fighting moves are useful in the plot at large as last I checked he doesn't have moves like "feed the poor slash", "literacy improving kick" or "open lines of diplomacy strike". Ok maybe he has the last one.
Still, that bit with Fire Dragon worth more screentime than Hero unintentionally building a harem of Cow-girl, Slime-girl and Harpie-girls . Instead of cementing him as a powerful swordman (which he is), the anime chose to make him more like a dumb harem lead. And this is not even comparing it with the manga.
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Old 2013-01-27, 23:20   Link #1130
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We've Known from the start that Hero is capable of soloing the demon world. The fight adds nothing but a bunch of flashy filler as none of his fighting moves are useful in the plot at large as last I checked he doesn't have moves like "feed the poor slash", "literacy improving kick" or "open lines of diplomacy strike". Ok maybe he has the last one.
The hero's power has a certain significance in the nature of his personality.

As for what we "know" about him, yeah we were told that he left the party and went on through the demon lands alone, but that's telling, not showing. That doesn't make it "real" to the viewer. To understand who and what the hero is, it's important to see just what he is capable of.

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You see what I think here is that we have a different definition on what is "important". I'm not sure if I'm alone here in thinking that we actually have to SEE the Hero being the unstoppable powerhouse he's supposed to be. Call me old fashioned, but I prefer seeing stuff like that displayed, because I'm less inclined to believe it when I'm just told about it.
Yes. That.
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Old 2013-01-28, 01:39   Link #1131
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Not all studios are good at action anime. A certain studio tried it, and it didn't turned out as fans expected. Then, it would be better to show the stage drama instead.
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Old 2013-01-28, 04:22   Link #1132
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Being rather new to the series, I'm just going to list a comparison of what abilities I have seen the anime Hero did so far that I can remember or left an impression:

1. Reach the Demon lords castle without a fight.
2. Teleported around both worlds (Between worlds?).
3. Killed a giant Boar (Bear? Don't remember the details) in the background of the teatime with little sister.
4. Dress up in Dark Knight armor
5. ... (cant think of anything else important)

I was wondering if the reason why he wonders whether he was doing anything of worth is because he really wasn't doing anything in the first place...

So from the discussions there were suppose to be a lot more Hero Action?

To compare the Maoh's achievements:

1. Got the Hero to side with her
2. Introduced the potato to suspicious villagers
3. Introduced new method of 4 crop rotation
4. Created a break of a few months at least in the war between the Humans and Demons
5. Got the church to support the spread of her ideas
6. Got the merchants to support the spread of her ideas
7. Invented the gyro-compass
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Old 2013-01-28, 05:28   Link #1133
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Being rather new to the series, I'm just going to list a comparison of what abilities I have seen the anime Hero did so far that I can remember or left an impression:

1. Reach the Demon lords castle without a fight.
2. Teleported around both worlds (Between worlds?).
3. Killed a giant Boar (Bear? Don't remember the details) in the background of the teatime with little sister.
4. Dress up in Dark Knight armor
5. ... (cant think of anything else important)

I was wondering if the reason why he wonders whether he was doing anything of worth is because he really wasn't doing anything in the first place...

So from the discussions there were suppose to be a lot more Hero Action?
See? This kind of reaction is a clear example why I dislike the anime’s take on Hero. Many anime-only watchers will/already think that Hero is a useless wimp because of that (even though he is not). By this point in the novel & manga, we already know how powerful and resourceful Hero is when doing his duty before coming back and complaining to the Head-maid that Maou only treat him like a precious treasure to keep out of danger.

PS: This is not an attack on your comment, grevierr. In fact, I strongly agree with you about the depiction of Hero in this anime so far. I just make your post an example of an impression from an anime-only watcher.
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Old 2013-01-28, 06:39   Link #1134
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See? This kind of reaction is a clear example why I dislike the anime’s take on Hero. Many anime-only watchers will/already think that Hero is a useless wimp because of that (even though he is not). By this point in the novel & manga, we already know how powerful and resourceful Hero is when doing his duty before coming back and complaining to the Head-maid that Maou only treat him like a precious treasure to keep out of danger.
No. You comparisons are so biased that you are saying things that are factually wrong.

Read the manga, read the novel, watch the anime, hear the DramaCD. Hero being useless compared to Maou is the whole point of his character development during the early part of the story.
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Old 2013-01-28, 06:57   Link #1135
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No. You comparisons are so biased that you are saying things that are factually wrong.

Read the manga, read the novel, watch the anime, hear the DramaCD. Hero being useless compared to Maou is the whole point of his character development during the early part of the story.
Read my post again. I never stated that I want Hero to be more useful compared to Maou. I just want the anime to show how Hero done his job properly like in the source material which makes him look more useful than what we actually get in the anime (so far). I never compare the accomplishment between Hero and Maou since we all know that Maou has done more at this point in the story.
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Old 2013-01-28, 07:03   Link #1136
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You "strongly agreed" to a comment that was comparing their actions.

Also, even if they skimmed through it, the anime showed that Hero was doing his job just fine. Anime Hero is the same as all the other takes on the story. They just skipped the chuuni segments.
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Old 2013-01-28, 07:15   Link #1137
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You "strongly agreed" to a comment that was comparing their actions.

Also, even if they skimmed through it, the anime showed that Hero was doing his job just fine. Anime Hero is the same as all the other takes on the story. They just skipped the chuuni segments.
Thus I only qouted the Hero list part.

Like I said, it's not the matter of facts presented. It's a matter of how Hero looks. In other words, it's about impression. Like they say, "show, don't tell". If you're satisfied with split-second slide-show and narration, then fine. But I'm not. Is my post that hard to understand? I thought it was pretty simple.
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Old 2013-01-28, 09:00   Link #1138
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You "strongly agreed" to a comment that was comparing their actions.

Also, even if they skimmed through it, the anime showed that Hero was doing his job just fine. Anime Hero is the same as all the other takes on the story. They just skipped the chuuni segments.
So just what was the Hero's job? Since you feel so strongly that the anime version of the Hero is doing more than just being out of the Maoh's way, could you explain, in terms of what is shown in the anime, pretending you are like me, a newcomer to this series who is observing from a anime only view, just what does the Hero do that is pivotal to the plot, at this time of the current episode?

I understand that knowing more about the series from the original sources can make you feel strongly about the comments, and I do agree that events in the plot should show how the Hero eventually fits in (I would like to wait for how the anime shows this though) rather than as more than a placeholder. In fact I strongly suspect the Hero is the Stick to the Maoh's Carrot, on a global scale... which most likely will have the Hero shine when war inevitability breaks out.

I also suspect that the Hero. viewing the comparison between what he has accomplish and what Maoh did, would be the plot point of his change in thinking. So far all I can see in the anime is him muscling his way through things, and starting to wonder if there can be something more than muscle.

In anycase the feeling I get is that like most adaptations out there, quite a few of the character building plot points get left out as unimportant by the producers who have to meet a 20 min anime timing, and this serves to detracts from the enjoyment of those who were looking forward to those points which would build the emotional suspense. SAO is one recent case in point.

Me, I'm still laughing at the similarities with the costumes and Dragon Quest, lol. Will there white mage class as well?
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Old 2013-01-28, 09:19   Link #1139
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Even with zero knowledge of the source material, I can tell that the anime rushed through a lot of content in this episode.
I was very disappointed because I was waiting for the Hero, clad in black armor, to finally kick ass in the demon world. Instead we got only a 10-seconds montage.
It's not that I want to see blood but at least make the Hero be useful for once!

The episode in itself wasn't bad, especially the negotiation between Maou and the merchants, but the pacing is completely off. I can't grasp the character of Female Knight because they showed so little of her.

I really wanted to like this anime, since it comes from such a popular LN series, but sadly I am on the verge of dropping the series already. I will probably stick with it because it's 12 episodes only, but my expectations have been largely reduced.
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Old 2013-01-28, 10:26   Link #1140
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So just what was the Hero's job? Since you feel so strongly that the anime version of the Hero is doing more than just being out of the Maoh's way, could you explain, in terms of what is shown in the anime, pretending you are like me, a newcomer to this series who is observing from a anime only view, just what does the Hero do that is pivotal to the plot, at this time of the current episode?

I understand that knowing more about the series from the original sources can make you feel strongly about the comments, and I do agree that events in the plot should show how the Hero eventually fits in (I would like to wait for how the anime shows this though) rather than as more than a placeholder. In fact I strongly suspect the Hero is the Stick to the Maoh's Carrot, on a global scale... which most likely will have the Hero shine when war inevitability breaks out.

I also suspect that the Hero. viewing the comparison between what he has accomplish and what Maoh did, would be the plot point of his change in thinking. So far all I can see in the anime is him muscling his way through things, and starting to wonder if there can be something more than muscle.

In anycase the feeling I get is that like most adaptations out there, quite a few of the character building plot points get left out as unimportant by the producers who have to meet a 20 min anime timing, and this serves to detracts from the enjoyment of those who were looking forward to those points which would build the emotional suspense. SAO is one recent case in point.

Me, I'm still laughing at the similarities with the costumes and Dragon Quest, lol. Will there white mage class as well?
Hero kept the Demon World under control. That fight with the Archduke Fire Dragon wasn't for the lulz, or an excuse to introduce his daughter. The Archduke had been planning to lead an assault on the only human city in the Demon World, and Hero stopped him.

Also, remember the single scene where Hero "helped the fairies"? He did so by defeating an entire race of werewolves in a week. Said werewolves had locked up the Fairy Queen and were raiding other races without restraint. So Hero shut them down and stripped the clan of its powers.

Maou has done far more than Hero, that can't be denied. However, that is partly because the Human World has far more problems (at the moment) than the Demon World. And Hero is far more suited to dealing with the Demon World problems than Maou is. Kind of ironic when you think about it.

I will admit a lot of complaints so far are basically that Hero, who was an overwhelming god of destruction in the manga, seems like a boring loser in the anime so far. I don't like that either. However, Hero did have several important accomplishments that were ignored. And those accomplishments later become extremely relevant later on.
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