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Old 2013-03-05, 14:22   Link #2581
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I'm not exactly buying into the addiction angle for unohana not returning. but i do buy the reason that she wanted to die this way and that's it. because she was a healer and a pacifist for the bulk of the time we've known her character, it may be difficult to see her for who she truly is: a blood thirsty warrior. warriors of this caliber always want to die fighting a strong opponent. it's part of their narrative that they die this way in many stories. someone like her wouldn't want to come back to life and i think SS will honor that ideal. however, i agree that it is stupid...
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Old 2013-03-05, 18:34   Link #2582
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So I'd hardly consider Unohana's hypothetical return to the plot to be pointless. Nor would it have to be done in a way that makes it seem like she came back "just 'cause..." since she still has plenty to contribute. But to see her go out like this...it's just so...stupid.
Yeah, and Yamamoto still has plenty to contribute. Let's bring him back. Ulquiorria was starting to see the light there towards the end..he could become a good guy and fight. Let's bring him back to life too! And what about Gin?

Rezz's for everyone, yay!

I'm not mocking you here. It's not that I wouldn't want to see Unohana live to play a more active role, it's just that I thought her ending was written in such a way that seemed unmistakably final. Bringing her back would seem very forced to me now, though logically it could easily happen.

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Also, I just had a random thought. We keep going on and on about how Unohana's immediate revival could potentially prove detrimental for Kenpachi's growth. But couldn't it actually turn out to have the complete opposite effect? I mean if his underlying fear this entire time was the thought of not having a worthy rival anymore upon her death, then one could think that he'd have nothing to worry about anymore if he knew someone could just revive her as much as was necessary.
I don't think so. Because his fear is not killing her, but losing his ultimate opponent. While Unohana lives, Kenpachi finds a way to convince himself she's a worthy adversary. He does that by limiting his power though he doesn't realize it.

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I'm not exactly buying into the addiction angle for unohana not returning..
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Not like a chemical addiction, no. Kenpachi put Unohana on a pedestal, he idolized her. She became representative of his ultimate challenge. And for someone who loves the thrill of battle more than anything, he became attached to that idea. Childhood memory. Nostalgia. He needs to let go of those things permanently. But he's stubborn. He never even realized he was limiting his power and he'd probably tell anyone who mentioned it to f**k off. Still I don't think he would let go if Unohana lived, he'd temper his power again. But that's me.

I can't make sense of Kubo's trolling, but I can try :P
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Old 2013-03-05, 20:34   Link #2583
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Yeah, and Yamamoto still has plenty to contribute. Let's bring him back. Ulquiorria was starting to see the light there towards the end..he could become a good guy and fight. Let's bring him back to life too! And what about Gin?

Rezz's for everyone, yay!
At least all those aforementioned characters had ample time to fully show off everything they could do before dying against extremely relevant characters under circumstances that felt far less anti-climactic.

Unohana didn't die against a sworn enemy she hated during a battle where she was genuinely trying to end someones life for good. She died against a long time rival who one could argue she loved in a sick twisted sense. Despite the fact that she's been a part of this series for a very long time, once again, her only purpose turned out to be a stepping stone for someone else's improvement. And to top it off, we really didn't get to see much in the process. It all happened so fast that I think the only thing we learned about her combat style is that she's extremely strong and skilled with a sword. I don't even get what her bankai does TBH.

My point here is that Unohana doesn't just have more she could potentially contribute to the plot (as far as the war effort is concerned). She should also have more to contribute to the entertainment value of future battles as well. Take Byukuya for instance. A lot of fans seemed saddened, but yet okay with the prospect of seeing him gone for good because he's overused. As far as we know, we've seen everything he could do during battle time-and-time again. It felt like there was nothing left to show and therefore, it felt like he contributed almost nothing new to the battles he was in as of late.

On the other hand, Unohana should still have things left in her skill set to reveal or elaborate on at the very least--whether it be an appropriate demonstration of top-tier kido usage or an adequate opportunity to put her bankai to use where we get to understand exactly what it does.
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I'm not mocking you here. It's not that I wouldn't want to see Unohana live to play a more active role, it's just that I thought her ending was written in such a way that seemed unmistakably final.
I wouldn't argue against that either, as I can certainly understand why it comes off that way. However, I still don't think that makes it right.
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I don't think so. Because his fear is not killing her, but losing his ultimate opponent. While Unohana lives, Kenpachi finds a way to convince himself she's a worthy adversary. He does that by limiting his power though he doesn't realize it.
Fine then.

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Old 2013-03-05, 22:09   Link #2584
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Keeping Unohana would have helped to balance the fights since she is the most experienced one after Yamamoto's death. Byakuya and Kenpachi are pretty good but they could do almost nothing in the previous fight. I don't know about Ukitake and Kyoraku though.
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Old 2013-03-06, 03:33   Link #2585
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oh god, not the keikaku-Aizen again...
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Old 2013-03-06, 03:37   Link #2586
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oh god, not the keikaku-Aizen again...
Yes the keikaku Aizen again. Here come the giant wave of, he's the real mastermind behind the Vandenreich attack, among every single plot route they take, in Bleach, fandoms-v-.
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Old 2013-03-06, 03:40   Link #2587
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Keeping Unohana would have helped to balance the fights since she is the most experienced one after Yamamoto's death. Byakuya and Kenpachi are pretty good but they could do almost nothing in the previous fight. I don't know about Ukitake and Kyoraku though.
Byakuya I agree, Kenny? He DID off 3 ritters in his past power level. Let's hope that, by the next time the reich invades, he'll 12-tuple that amount.
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Old 2013-03-06, 03:50   Link #2588
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Old 2013-03-06, 03:51   Link #2589
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"Just as planned" seems to be the perfect anti thesis to Kubo's work ethic.... but gat damn this is fulla holes, i'll let yall point em out
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Old 2013-03-06, 04:48   Link #2590
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Old 2013-03-06, 05:06   Link #2591
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New chapter was also very lame its like they are making stuff up
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Old 2013-03-06, 06:57   Link #2592
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Old 2013-03-06, 07:32   Link #2593
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New chapter was also very lame its like they are making stuff up
Oh come on, first everyone goes whining and complaining that there’s too many lose ends in Bleach, and when a chapter like this finally puts the pieces together you complain that they are “making things up”.

This was a good chapter. It also confirms one of the most discussed myths about Kaien and Ichigo being related. Bleach needs more chapters like this!
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Old 2013-03-06, 07:35   Link #2594
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ok, isshin being a shiba i get. in fact, some people including myself, theorized that he might be part of the shiba clan which is one of the oldest and most powerful clans in soul society. him being a captain is also no surprise, but the part i don't get is if he was rangiku and toushiro's captain then how come they never showed any signs of recognizing him? nobody in soul society did actually, unlike urahara whom everybody knew and even considered a sort of legend.
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Old 2013-03-06, 08:03   Link #2595
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oh god, not the keikaku-Aizen again...
I love how he said "Just as planned" for something really simple.

Now that we learned that Isshin is a Shiba we could have this twist.
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Old 2013-03-06, 08:10   Link #2596
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It was hinted that Hitsugaya and Rangiku were aware that Ichigo was somehow related to Isshin.

When Ichigo first goes bankai fighting Buakuya, Hitsugaya and Rangiku are the first to react to the spirit pressure as if they knew it...Even tho at that time their characters had never seen ichigo and had nothing to do with his character.

So yes, i think everything is going according to plan.
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Old 2013-03-06, 08:16   Link #2597
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Karin can see shinigami just fine. That's how she knew Ichigo was one. Her spiritual powers right now are probably on par with Ichigo's at the beginning of the series. I wouldn't even be surprised if she revealed she became a shinigami during the time skip, though since it still hasn't happened, I guess it's unlikely.

Yuzu always had weaker powers. She can't even see ghosts IIRC.
Yuzu started to be able to see ghosts barely making out hollows around the time Ishida used the hollow bait. Karin has always been about as strong as ichigo she just ignored the ghost.

Isshin is confirmed a Shiba and captain of the 10th . If I,m not mistaken wasn't it said shiro has onlybeen a captain for 50 years?
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Old 2013-03-06, 08:29   Link #2598
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"Just as planned" seems to be the perfect anti thesis to Kubo's work ethic.... but gat damn this is fulla holes, i'll let yall point em out
The only possible hole I can think of is that Rukia never recognized Isshin even though she was already part of the Gotei 13 (or at least at the academy) when he was still a captain. Captain are well known, there's no way she didn't know what he looked like. The other shinigami never met him as far as I remember.

Another one would be that nobody ever commented on Ichigo using Getsuga Tenshou even though it was Isshin's technique. I could see Kubo retconing that by showing Hitsugaya or Matsumoto did that off-panel and just never told Ichigo.

It was to be expected Aizen would be involved in this. He claimed he knew of Ichigo since his birth after all.
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Old 2013-03-06, 08:53   Link #2599
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You forget peeps. He looks much diffrent when he got older. They can easily not recognize him. Ever know someone with a beard the whole time you known them then suddenly they shave it off l? Almost unreconizeable even more so with age and yeaars away from them.

And shame on anyone who thought kaien and ichigo werent related..... ITS SO OBVIOUS as obvious as naurto being the 4ths son.
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Old 2013-03-06, 10:26   Link #2600
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Aizen is back! ... in the flashback.
So the Shiba were still part of the 4 families when Isshin was captain, maybe what he did in the human world led to their exile? Like marrying a human, not to mention a quincy.

I enjoyed this chapter more than the invasion by the Reichritter (except Yamamoto's bankai scenes).
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