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Old 2014-03-26, 15:58   Link #5341
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I'm questioning that guy's power. I'm not sure of how great of an effect on reality he has on an opponent with just his imagination. When Yachiru succumbed to "cookie bones", he may have started with her arm, but with the way he was talking to Yachiru, it's like he needs her to believe the effect to come true. So he may have some influence, but he gives his opponents the suggestion ("you just imagined...", "you imagined this, too, am I right?") which causes them to believe also.

With that basis, I'm thinking the Kenpachi fighting is a product of Yachiru's imagination. Whenever she was in trouble, Kenpachi was there to save her. To her, Kenpachi is invincible. From today's chapter, I kinda feel Kenpachi's subordinates questioning why they didn't notice Kenpachi's reiatsu until then, Kenpachi just brushing off the guy's abilities, and Yachiru just sitting there staring as further support that it's Yachiru's imagination of the invincible Kenpachi becoming reality. Even that last statement, "that you can't even give Yachiru a second thought", gives me the feeling that the guy is a fool for not focusing on Yachiru.
If Kenpachi isn't real, this fight is pointless. Two whole chapters of a new villain fighting a creation of his own imagination? And there will be more. If that is indeed what Kubo is doing, this is the most tasteless way to waste his time, effort, paper and ink.

In the previous chapter, Kenpachi made it clear that he has finally earned the right to bear his name. Why give such important character development to an illusion, when the one who needs it is the real deal? No way Kenpachi is a fantasy.
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Old 2014-03-26, 16:29   Link #5342
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It's taken a while to read something that gets me to post but I really hope this Kenpachi fight will be awesome, started reading manga with Bleach music in the background again

edit: damn, reading back a few pages seems like some people are slating this manga now. Still top of my reading list each week, even if there are 'better' manga around.
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Old 2014-03-26, 17:46   Link #5343
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I dont get it, someone with this type of power can instant KO anyone he wants.. how about really imagining kenpachi's belly cut open and his guts falling out followed by his head rolling off... or even spikes exploding from inside his body...... inb4 being Kenpachi, probably some BS excuse that his reiatsu is so power it nullifies the boy's power..

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Old 2014-03-26, 19:13   Link #5344
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Jesus this guy is even more OP than Aizen, why doesn't he just use that *imagination* of his and kill Ywach and become king of the sternshitters?
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Old 2014-03-26, 20:06   Link #5345
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Impressive idea, Velvetj.

I'd laugh if this guy ends up being killed by his own imagination.
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Old 2014-03-26, 20:49   Link #5346
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I seriously hope it's not the real Kenpachi. It'd be really sweet for Yachiru to have that kind of dream and from that finding the strength and independence to wreck that guy's shit personally.
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Old 2014-03-26, 22:34   Link #5347
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I'm questioning that guy's power. I'm not sure of how great of an effect on reality he has on an opponent with just his imagination. When Yachiru succumbed to "cookie bones", he may have started with her arm, but with the way he was talking to Yachiru, it's like he needs her to believe the effect to come true. So he may have some influence, but he gives his opponents the suggestion ("you just imagined...", "you imagined this, too, am I right?") which causes them to believe also.

With that basis, I'm thinking the Kenpachi fighting is a product of Yachiru's imagination. Whenever she was in trouble, Kenpachi was there to save her. To her, Kenpachi is invincible. From today's chapter, I kinda feel Kenpachi's subordinates questioning why they didn't notice Kenpachi's reiatsu until then, Kenpachi just brushing off the guy's abilities, and Yachiru just sitting there staring as further support that it's Yachiru's imagination of the invincible Kenpachi becoming reality. Even that last statement, "that you can't even give Yachiru a second thought", gives me the feeling that the guy is a fool for not focusing on Yachiru.
Good idea. Kubo did trick quite of a few of us into believing Byakuya was going to fight Rukia's battle for her so he could be doing similar with Yachiru.
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Old 2014-03-26, 23:50   Link #5348
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that would be a good idea, and that would be a fair fight, and what makes it more awesome we see yachiru in battle
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Old 2014-03-27, 01:53   Link #5349
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I'm questioning that guy's power. I'm not sure of how great of an effect on reality he has on an opponent with just his imagination. When Yachiru succumbed to "cookie bones", he may have started with her arm, but with the way he was talking to Yachiru, it's like he needs her to believe the effect to come true. So he may have some influence, but he gives his opponents the suggestion ("you just imagined...", "you imagined this, too, am I right?") which causes them to believe also.

With that basis, I'm thinking the Kenpachi fighting is a product of Yachiru's imagination. Whenever she was in trouble, Kenpachi was there to save her. To her, Kenpachi is invincible. From today's chapter, I kinda feel Kenpachi's subordinates questioning why they didn't notice Kenpachi's reiatsu until then, Kenpachi just brushing off the guy's abilities, and Yachiru just sitting there staring as further support that it's Yachiru's imagination of the invincible Kenpachi becoming reality. Even that last statement, "that you can't even give Yachiru a second thought", gives me the feeling that the guy is a fool for not focusing on Yachiru.
Interesting, I was also wondering if the power of imagination might require the opponent to do the imagining rather than just V doing it. However, it raises one question, how was V able to use his power on the unconscious captains?
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Old 2014-03-27, 12:33   Link #5350
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Interesting, I was also wondering if the power of imagination might require the opponent to do the imagining rather than just V doing it. However, it raises one question, how was V able to use his power on the unconscious captains?
Well, if the theory that he needs his opponents to do most of the imagining work for him is true, it could be that he killed them via implanting the idea in Unohana's Lt's mind.

Remember he said he killed them, and then she ran up to check and was like "no way, they really are dead!"

It might have been at that moment that the fear of imagining that what he said was true...actually made it true.
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Old 2014-03-27, 13:07   Link #5351
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So this current fight is Yachiru's imagination...?
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Old 2014-03-27, 23:36   Link #5352
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Well, if the theory that he needs his opponents to do most of the imagining work for him is true, it could be that he killed them via implanting the idea in Unohana's Lt's mind.

Remember he said he killed them, and then she ran up to check and was like "no way, they really are dead!"

It might have been at that moment that the fear of imagining that what he said was true...actually made it true.
So does that mean that even if Ken isn't actually there, if anyone imagines him at risk of dying, then the real Ken dies? This is making the power absurd all over again. If the imagination power can use anyone's imagination to affect anyone, then couldn't this guy just have himself a companion to imagine whatever he wants?
"Minion, imagine this guy dead."
"Yes sir!"
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Old 2014-03-28, 04:31   Link #5353
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Interesting, I was also wondering if the power of imagination might require the opponent to do the imagining rather than just V doing it. However, it raises one question, how was V able to use his power on the unconscious captains?
Maybe he didn't. We don't have access to their perspectives. For all we know, they're still dreaming peacefully. Isane might just think they're dead due to his effect on her.

Don't know the reality of the situation, but the "fake Kenpachi" theory does have a truthy feel to it. Whatever is going on, the odd reiatsu conversation the Squad 11 grunts had is the key.
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Old 2014-03-28, 05:56   Link #5354
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I always used to be wrong when predicting fights but I think people are over analysing this 'imagination' ability, I think it's just going to come down to stronger willpower. Zaraki, after defeating Unohana, now fully remembers and knows he is the ultimate badass with a sword, I doubt anything this guy can imagine could shake his absolute knowledge of this fact. Also the pipsqueak Hitsugaya easily beat the last guy who had a similar ability with his virtual computer skills, that Yukio fullbringer guy, so it would be a travesty (being a Zaraki fan) if the one true Kenpachi fails.

Of course I also would like to believe in the theories that this may be Yachiru's power but don't forget she is still just a vice captain, one who hasn't been through the 'levelling up' experiences that Rukia has had for example.
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Old 2014-03-28, 10:17   Link #5355
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Of course I also would like to believe in the theories that this may be Yachiru's power but don't forget she is still just a vice captain, one who hasn't been through the 'levelling up' experiences that Rukia has had for example.
But we've never really had a set "level" for her to go "up" from. We just know she's more powerful than her demeanor and appearance would suggest, powerful enough that Kenpachi's ludicrous reiatsu doesn't even seem to register with her, when even other Captains are affected by it. But whether that level is "more than Ikkaku" (the absolute bare minimum, IMO) or current Rukia, or even higher, is the question that will hopefully be answered in the next few chapters. She should at least have the capacity to go Bankai, if not already a solid grasp on it.

I can't see her not figuring into the end of this battle one way or another, though. She's had too much of an appearance since Kenpachi drew first blood for her not to.
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Old 2014-03-30, 19:01   Link #5356
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Fingers crossed anyway Would be interesting to find out more about her.
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Old 2014-04-02, 03:07   Link #5357
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And this chapter once again disappoints.
Halfway through before the fight even starts
Practically no plot movement
Nothing of substance

Chalk up another week in which Naruto was [marginally] better
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Old 2014-04-02, 03:10   Link #5358
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At least the art looked nice.
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Old 2014-04-02, 03:20   Link #5359
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well.. the art is too big.. which makes the chapter become very short

at least we could see Kenpachi slicing a missile...
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Old 2014-04-02, 04:40   Link #5360
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*reads the chapter*

Wow, so Gremmy never had to kill anyone because no one ever challenged him outright, his reputation scared people away. But now, he's facing someone who isn't afraid of him, who actually dares him to go all out. Now Gremmy's intent on putting Kenpachi in his place, or dying in the attempt. I guess we'll soon see, if Kenpachi's strength truly is beyond imagination. Until then...
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