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Old 2012-10-11, 11:42   Link #1041
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Btw, the idea of taking out the 13 divisions sound nice and exciting but I much prefer if the enemy power is the real deal and we get to witness its awesomeness instead of what we are served so far..

what? a bankai stealing device, 1 slash/stab of a sword? fucking garbage that..
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Old 2012-10-11, 12:55   Link #1042
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Calling it now, silhouette on Yamajii's right in the gangster squad is Unohana

I liked the chapter. Nice drama imo. I actually felt some sympathy for Yama in the end, unlike every other character death (espada, Tousen, fullbringers) And Aizen is coming back soon
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Old 2012-10-11, 14:08   Link #1043
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yeah, agree with that.. it's also laziness from kubo.. he keeps mentioning sternitters are strong and can only be defeated with bankai but not even 1 evidence showing what kind of ability they have.. what we see here they just somehow managed to injure the captain with ease.. logically their speed and power should be shown in significant mode but did we witness it? no, just plain movement.. we just have to imagine it ourselves, eh..


most battles in bleach are so disappointing nowadays especially the ending..

It's just the same crap reheated, over and over again.
First Arc SS. Oh no! we have to save the girl and defeat 10 Shinigami Chaptians
Second Arc Mexico. Oh no we have to save the girl and defeat the 10 Espada/Shinigami
Last Arc No girl to be saved (YET) But we have to defeat 10 Stern Ritter/Shinigami


Btw Bleach is just Shinigami against Shinigami with Swords,Bows & Arrows and Mask. Their all the same race, same moves, same charters under different races, with the same clothes.

Think I'm wrong? Look at this
1. Ulquiorra/Byakuya
2.Starrk/Shunsui
3.Baraggan/Yamamoto
4.Nell/Yachiru
5.Szayelaporro/Mayuri
6.Harribel/Hitsugaya
7. Kukaku/Yoruchi
8.Aizen/Hidetomo/Tsukishima
9.Nanao/Lisa
10.Kensei/Renji/Gingo
11.Rojuro/Jushiro
12.Jackie/Sui-feng
13. Riruka/Hiyori

Way too many more, but not enough time in the day..

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Old 2012-10-11, 14:48   Link #1044
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Probably a mix of both. The Quincy were pushed to the brink of extinction by Soul Society, which according to Bach, and implied by others in the story, used to be ruthless in their judgment.

It's probably fairly close to the truth that the initial forming of the divisions was the result of the strong banding together in a warped sense of justice. Just look at how poor the various districts are, and how characters like Zaraki and Yachiru lived. Outside the walls of SS, existence is brutal. If you can't fend for yourself, it's even worse.

So the divisions are tasked, or choose to task themselves, with preserving order, and the Quincy were literally unbalancing it. I doubt diplomacy was used much - just look at how they treated Ichigo before he saved their asses a bunch of times. He might have been the agent of change that helped SS become better, but they still have a lot of demons in their history that have come back to bite them.
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Calling it now, silhouette on Yamajii's right in the gangster squad is Unohana
Holy s***!!! Good call! Before the days of the braid, I could totally see that being her. Imaging her as once being part of Yamamoto's murderous goon squad sounds like it would be the perfect way to start doing justice to the name "Retsu".

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Old 2012-10-11, 17:00   Link #1045
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Hahahaaaa, seeing that old, incompetent fool Yamamoto getting pwned made my day!! Truly well deserved imo.
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Old 2012-10-11, 18:31   Link #1046
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Looking back, i really wish the anime only 'Zanpaktou rebellion' arc never happened, that way the Quincy's 'stealing' of the zanpakyou/bankai would be... I dunno, for lack of a better word... 'better'. Dunno, it makes more sense to steal the whole power of the sword to me, than just one state of it. Eh
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Old 2012-10-12, 01:35   Link #1047
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Calling it now, silhouette on Yamajii's right in the gangster squad is Unohana
ha! good call even if it doesn't pan out. let me up the stakes and call that one of the other members of the old squad who is behind the dialogue bubbles is juha bach

and just for fun... anyone know how old mayuri is? he was just sitting in prison when we were introduced to him in the pendulum arc and we know he doesn't give a crap about his allies

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Looking back, i really wish the anime only 'Zanpaktou rebellion' arc never happened, that way the Quincy's 'stealing' of the zanpakyou/bankai would be... I dunno, for lack of a better word... 'better'. Dunno, it makes more sense to steal the whole power of the sword to me, than just one state of it. Eh
there's no way for the stealing of bankais to make any sense... much less the idea that the one who steals it can use it instantly... it's pure unadulterated nonsense
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Old 2012-10-12, 02:10   Link #1048
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there's no way for the stealing of bankais to make any sense... much less the idea that the one who steals it can use it instantly... it's pure unadulterated nonsense
It's as if Kubo has completely discounted (or really forgotten) the fact that zanpakutos are souls in and of themselves and are not just 'special powered swords' unique to each wielder. But, then again, maybe those badges (they are badges right?) somehow mind control the spirit within the sword, and force the 'bankai of the zanpakuto' to do the users biding. But if that were the case, how would the regular powers of the zanpakuto still work if someone else were controlling the bankai? Oh wait, we'll just kill off the characters with shikai remaining so it doesn't become as complicated. Now, I see whatcha doin'.
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Old 2012-10-12, 11:03   Link #1049
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The badges basically steal "your soul" since the zanpaktou and you are pretty much one and the same.

Yes, it's bullshit.
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Old 2012-10-12, 14:28   Link #1050
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ha! good call even if it doesn't pan out. let me up the stakes and call that one of the other members of the old squad who is behind the dialogue bubbles is juha bach

and just for fun... anyone know how old mayuri is? he was just sitting in prison when we were introduced to him in the pendulum arc and we know he doesn't give a crap about his allies

there's no way for the stealing of bankais to make any sense... much less the idea that the one who steals it can use it instantly... it's pure unadulterated nonsense
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It's as if Kubo has completely discounted (or really forgotten) the fact that zanpakutos are souls in and of themselves and are not just 'special powered swords' unique to each wielder. But, then again, maybe those badges (they are badges right?) somehow mind control the spirit within the sword, and force the 'bankai of the zanpakuto' to do the users biding. But if that were the case, how would the regular powers of the zanpakuto still work if someone else were controlling the bankai? Oh wait, we'll just kill off the characters with shikai remaining so it doesn't become as complicated. Now, I see whatcha doin'.
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The badges basically steal "your soul" since the zanpaktou and you are pretty much one and the same.

Yes, it's bullshit.
Yeah, it's bullcrap now, that's why I was saying that idea in the Rebellion filler arc would make a bit mroe sense with it. If the soul of the sword chose to stop working for its user and even left to side with someone else, as its own being, I could buy that over 'HEY, check out this gizmo that snatches something that's supposed to be connected to you!'
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Old 2012-10-13, 12:55   Link #1051
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It gets better. The one guy we know who's ATM disconected from his sword (Ichigo) is the one they can't steal it from. WTF!?
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Old 2012-10-13, 14:42   Link #1052
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What do you mean he's disconnected from it?
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Old 2012-10-13, 21:22   Link #1053
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Technically, Ichigo's weapon is completely different from his Shikai and Bankai because Mugetsu supposedly destroyed his bond with Zangetsu. IIRC.
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Old 2012-10-13, 23:39   Link #1054
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Technically, Ichigo's weapon is completely different from his Shikai and Bankai because Mugetsu supposedly destroyed his bond with Zangetsu. IIRC.
So this could be the real reason Ichigo's Bankai can't be stolen?


I MUCH PREFER THIS.
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Old 2012-10-14, 08:29   Link #1055
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Sounds like a nice theory. But I don't recall anyone in the manga stating such a thing to explain the cause of his zanpakuto's new appearance. Besides, I wonder how his bond with zangetsu could currently be destroyed since he's able to once again use zangetsu and all his special abilities.
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Old 2012-10-14, 08:40   Link #1056
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We're not sure if it's truly Zangetsu we're seeing. His Shinigami forms post-Fullbring were much different (though similar appearance-wise), and the "Getsuga Tenshou" we saw may not be the one Zangetsu granted to him, but rather a similar ability Ichigo "learned" after unlocking his Fullbringer potential.

My theory is that the abilities of Ichigo were unlocked by his exposure to Zangetsu through countless fights plus the base abilities of a Fullbringer. Basically, Ichigo "has Zangetsu despite not having Zangetsu". Maybe that's the "potential" that has him targeted by the Shitritters?
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Old 2012-10-14, 11:24   Link #1057
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So what you're essentially claiming is that Ichigo can now use zanpakuto related forms and abilties without the need for his zanpakuto spirit because he's currently just using fullbring as a base to manifest it all? In other words, Ichigo still hasn't really gained his shinigami powers back?

Well I suppose its possible. I admittedly have trouble believing that for a lot of reasons. But its also not something I feel up to debating. It'd probably be easier to just wait and see.
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Old 2012-10-14, 11:29   Link #1058
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UGH. In the end, Kubo can't even give the strongest character a decent death, even though it was coming.

I've never, never NEVER read a series in which the author hates their side characters as much as Kubo does. Ichigo will save the day afterall, but not before having a hugeass breakdown since pretty much everyone he knows is either dead or near death.

I'm seriously praying for Kubo to kill off someone I like just so I can legititamely drop this series for good. Only good thing is at least we get to see what Squad 0 looks like now....especially Hikifune.

Otherwise, Kill this bitch already, WSJ. I think Kubo just wants it to end too.
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Old 2012-10-14, 19:26   Link #1059
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Old 2012-10-14, 19:45   Link #1060
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Yeah, it's bullcrap now, that's why I was saying that idea in the Rebellion filler arc would make a bit mroe sense with it. If the soul of the sword chose to stop working for its user and even left to side with someone else, as its own being, I could buy that over 'HEY, check out this gizmo that snatches something that's supposed to be connected to you!'
Huh. I just thought they were ripping the abilities straight from the zanpakuto. It's like Ichigo getting his fullbring stolen by Ginjou, the power was just ripped out of his body, his soul wasn't taken. So the swords also got their abilities stolen, but their souls remained in the weapon. Bankais are just a manifestation of the zanpakuto's full power, it's not the actual soul of the zanpakuto fighting right?
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