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Old 2012-07-31, 05:29   Link #321
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LOL at this article:http://news.yahoo.com/f-22-fighter-l...opstories.html
I think it was posted before, but here are some key highlights I found interesting.

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"The Air Force said the planes flew 80 missions during the event "with a very high mission success rate." However, a new report from Combat Aircraft Monthly revealed that in a handful of missions designed to test the F-22 in a very specific situation - close-range, one-on-one combat - the jet appeared to lose its pricey advantages over a friendly rival, the Eurofighter Typhoon, flown in this case by German airmen."

""But as soon as you get to the merge…" Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dog fighting, "in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn't necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects."
So Walken vs Sagiri wasn't so far fetched after all.

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""They are different kinds of airplanes to start with," he said, according to an Air Force Print News report. "It's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula 1 car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance.""
This seems perfect for those still asking about why Yuuya cannot pilot Japanese TSFs properly.

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""[Red Flag was] a mission to get to know each other, the first contact by German Eurofighters in the continental U.S.," Grune said of mock-fighting the F-22s. "We are not planning on facing each other in combat. We want to work together but it was a starter for us to work together. They were impressed, as we were impressed by them.""
LOL at this considering TDA02


Its almost as if Muv Luv Chronicles and TE predicted this article. Fact is stranger than fiction.
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Old 2012-07-31, 05:34   Link #322
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(these coordinates.....bearing 304....North West......... They are coming in from inside the Hive?!?!)
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Military planners are able to plot a fast and safe route through a BETA Hive to Exit directly behind the BETA formation, where the Laser class are mostly positioned perfect for a long range kill using the type-02 SSG.
That's a pretty good tactics there. Because the BETA won't adapt to humanity's tactics anymore, this tactics should be pretty useful in a long-term.

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OH wow,for this to be asked at a time like this. Truly a coincidence.
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Old 2012-07-31, 06:06   Link #323
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"Valkyrie data"
Is that what I think it is from?
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"HQ to Skuld 1, I confirm your units signal. data link reestablished.......Congratulations, you guys are the first Humans to ever attempt and complete such a journey within a hive , not to mention the first single unit to breach 2 different Hive gates in one operation, with the 2nd gate being breached from the inside no less.
The BETA's reaction:
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"Skuld 1 rogers! Alright you fucking lazy bums , time to earn your pay and booze. BUT NO ONE here is partying until that Reactor room wall is painted in BETA blood to my satisfactions! All units prepare to commence long range support fire. These will be our targets...."
Saying things that a teenage girls really shouldn't be saying, the squadron obeyed nonetheless.12 type-02 Squad Support Guns(SSG) were deployed simultaneously. Better known with its European designation as the Mk57 SSG.
Prepare to engage!!!! GAR levels at over 9000!!
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Old 2012-07-31, 06:20   Link #324
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Is that what I think it is from?

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Its explained in that article already. It is the combined data gathered from all the hives assaults done during ouka to keep the BETA distracted and occupied. as for the data concerning the original hive.The Xg-70 had data-link with the rest of the A-01, so when Takeru, sumika and Kasumi escaped in the escaped pod shuttle thing i assume that pod also carried the computer that stored all the data recorded by the team during the assault.

Not to mention
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also nice wh40k reference.
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Old 2012-07-31, 06:52   Link #325
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Its explained in that article already. It is the combined data gathered from all the hives assaults done during ouka to keep the BETA distracted and occupied. as for the data concerning the original hive.The Xg-70 had data-link with the rest of the A-01, so when Takeru, sumika and Kasumi escaped in the escaped pod shuttle thing i assume that pod also carried the computer that stored all the data recorded by the team during the assault.

Not to mention
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Actually I was thinking something deeper.
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also nice wh40k reference.
Thanks, lol. Its time humans get the upper hand.
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Old 2012-07-31, 10:36   Link #326
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That's a pretty good tactics there. Because the BETA won't adapt to humanity's tactics anymore, this tactics should be pretty useful in a long-term.



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There's nothing keeping the BETA from growing another Superior though. Although the Objective 1 was the oldest Hive on Earth, there were a number of other hives close to evolving to a Stage 6. And what's to keep a Superior on the moon or Mars from asserting emergency control over Earth operations if it senses multiple "system" failures on the planet. What good is a interstellar automated mining operation without backups; in real life, most space missions have a substantial amount of fail-safes, especially those aiming for deep space, where there won't be any humans to repair them. It can be presumed that this may be also the case for the BETA as well.
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Yuuko did say that Takeru bought humanity three decades, she didn't say that he let humans definitively defeat the BETA, I believe.

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Old 2012-07-31, 11:01   Link #327
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There's nothing keeping the BETA from growing another Superior though. Although the Objective 1 was the oldest Hive on Earth, there were a number of other hives close to evolving to a Stage 6. And what's to keep a Superior on the moon or Mars from asserting emergency control over Earth operations if it senses multiple "system" failures on the planet. What good is a interstellar automated mining operation without backups; in real life, most space missions have a substantial amount of fail-safes, especially those aiming for deep space, where there won't be any humans to repair them. It can be presumed that this may be also the case for the BETA as well.

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Yuuko did say that Takeru bought humanity three decades, she didn't say that he let humans definitively defeat the BETA, I believe.
Actually she mentioned that it would take humankind 20 years to wipe BETA off Mars... Mentioned as well in the TSFiA and other side stories, post MLA humans have been able to take out at least 3 hives two years later. Do remember we still do not know what is in the Valkyrie Data, but it is quite likely that Yuuko has based her estimates off this. She might even have coordinates of the home-world.... Time to Return to Sender the BETA with express delivery.
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Old 2012-07-31, 11:03   Link #328
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There's nothing keeping the BETA from growing another Superior though. Although the Objective 1 was the oldest Hive on Earth, there were a number of other hives close to evolving to a Stage 6. And what's to keep a Superior on the moon or Mars from asserting emergency control over Earth operations if it senses multiple "system" failures on the planet. What good is a interstellar automated mining operation without backups; in real life, most space missions have a substantial amount of fail-safes, especially those aiming for deep space, where there won't be any humans to repair them. It can be presumed that this may be also the case for the BETA as well.
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Yuuko did say that Takeru bought humanity three decades, she didn't say that he let humans definitively defeat the BETA, I believe.
I don't think so. If they want to call reinforcement, they should've done it after America bombed the original hive in Canada. The fact that there's only 1 original hive in the planet probably means that they don't have any communication skills for each others. The BETAs that were launched from the moon might only be one-time only after they reached a certain phase. After they launched their BETA to neighboring planets, they probably think that their job is over and continue mining in their respective planets.

They also survive for 2 years. In the past 2 years, the BETA doesn't change much at all and there's no info of any reinforcement coming from outer space... the way I'm seeing it, they're totally safe for any upcoming dangers. Though it probably because the command center in their home planet are still receiving their resources from earth so they think their miners are still doing fine there..
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Old 2012-07-31, 11:06   Link #329
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Did Munakata and Touku recover from the injuries and survive ?
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Old 2012-07-31, 11:11   Link #330
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They participated in Operation Sledgehammer, so I'd say so.
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Old 2012-07-31, 11:12   Link #331
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still sore, raging and depressed after the ending of Alternative

After so many agonizing plea form Shirogane, Takeru, a force finally hears his desperate cry, a force that is loved by all that good it was so GAR it was feared by evil

Enter Super Coordinator/ Newtype / Time Driver/ Ace Attacker Takeru

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Old 2012-07-31, 11:20   Link #332
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I don't think so. If they want to call reinforcement, they should've done it after America bombed the original hive in Canada. The fact that there's only 1 original hive in the planet probably means that they don't have any communication skills for each others. The BETAs that were launched from the moon might only be one-time only after they reached a certain phase. After they launched their BETA to neighboring planets, they probably think that their job is over and continue mining in their respective planets.

They also survive for 2 years. In the past 2 years, the BETA doesn't change much at all and there's no info of any reinforcement coming from outer space... the way I'm seeing it, they're totally safe for any upcoming dangers. Though it probably because the command center in their home planet are still receiving their resources from earth so they think their miners are still doing fine there..
Well, losing one hive would barely qualify as something worth mentioning , as its' quite foreseeable. Its' like losing contact with a probe, sure it could have been blown up by a sentient race, or it could have landed in a lava flow. The BETA have only lost a few Hives since their introduction, the ones intercepted in space could be easily inferred to be a result of a dangerous orbit around the planet instead of being actually blown up by space defenses.

There's no reason for the BETA to contact their creators or ask for reinforcements if their losses are within acceptable rates that one would expect from operating in a hostile and alien environment. The problem now arises from if those losses, start accelerating at a unusual pace. Those Hives have been on Earth for awhile, most "intelligent" systems would eventually notice a pattern once losses have exceeded certain parameters, a global-wide counterattack by "a intelligent force" included. Blowing up the planet as a whole would be more realistic and within the BETA's expectations; to have Hives popping offline one by one in a recognizable pattern, such as patterns derived from military operations, would be something of concern.
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Old 2012-07-31, 11:28   Link #333
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IMHO those So called "Superior" doesn't care about carbon base life from, we just ants/materials at the receiving end of the boot
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Old 2012-07-31, 11:30   Link #334
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Assuming that the creators are still alive at this time. The BETA are kinda like the brooms in Fantasia, the ones that kept filling water until the whole house is flooded. With 10 to the power 8 planets worth of G-elements being sent to one place, how long would it be before it explodes?
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Or they some kind of storage plant/space like frigging black hole which space and time do not exist
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Old 2012-07-31, 11:42   Link #336
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Assuming that the creators are still alive at this time. The BETA are kinda like the brooms in Fantasia, the ones that kept filling water until the whole house is flooded. With 10 to the power 8 planets worth of G-elements being sent to one place, how long would it be before it explodes?
Your presuming they're not using up all those G-elements as they come, it takes a lot of energy to power a interstellar empire .

I also doubt all the BETA are sending their resources to one place, there are most likely multiple central hubs to which they send their resources to be processed. Think of the BETA as operating as we would when it comes to resource extraction, we don't cram all of our ore into one huge warehouse.

In fact, just think of the BETA and their creators as one big galactic-sized mining corporation.

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Old 2012-07-31, 11:46   Link #337
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They participated in Operation Sledgehammer, so I'd say so.
They did ?
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Old 2012-07-31, 12:35   Link #338
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They did ?
Someone on /m/ mentioned that they board Silent Eagle TSF since the operation itself was to test the capability of 2 new TSFs... though I don't know for sure

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There's no reason for the BETA to contact their creators or ask for reinforcements if their losses are within acceptable rates that one would expect from operating in a hostile and alien environment. The problem now arises from if those losses, start accelerating at a unusual pace. Those Hives have been on Earth for awhile, most "intelligent" systems would eventually notice a pattern once losses have exceeded certain parameters, a global-wide counterattack by "a intelligent force" included. Blowing up the planet as a whole would be more realistic and within the BETA's expectations; to have Hives popping offline one by one in a recognizable pattern, such as patterns derived from military operations, would be something of concern.
Yeah, this might happen too If the home planet doesn't receive any more materials from earth because all the hives on earth had been destroyed, then they might send someone to investigate..

Though since there are so many BETA in the universe, losing just one unit might not seem worth the trouble to investigate what happened too. Not to mention that if the reinforcements are sent after they manage to eradicate BETA on earth, humanity might have invented better weapons at that time too. They could've just shoot those BETAs down when they're still on space.
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Old 2012-07-31, 12:52   Link #339
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or maybe they can be like "oh, our mining machines were destroyed, they might have encountered intelligent life, I guess the intelligent life can take care of our minning machines without breaking a sweat, it's not like we sent military equipment".
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In fact, just think of the BETA and their creators as one big galactic-sized mining corporation.
It would seriously suck if the "Superiors" were just a mining corporation for the rest of the universe. Humans "defeat" the BETA in Mars only to find out there was an inter-universal federation out there of sentient beings hahahahaha. XD

That's gotta send the rest of humanity into a RAEG depression. xP

"We've been fighting pre-programmed Miners for decades and it turns out they're just grunts?!?!"

Off topic, but has anybody written a fanfic depicting the coming of BETA in the early-21st century? Like how modern military tactics would be used against BETA, because IIRC naval warfare nowadays depends heavily on light cannon armaments, guided cruise missiles and Aircraft Carrier groups.
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