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Old 2013-04-15, 02:03   Link #621
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Uub caused Goku to ditch his family and friends at the end of the series without a care in the world, thats not the kind of guy I'd like as the next main character.
Goku decided that himself. It's not Uub's fault Goku was being himself.
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Old 2013-04-15, 02:54   Link #622
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Goku decided that himself. It's not Uub's fault Goku was being himself.
Yes, however he didn't ask if that was a good idea or not and was fine with Goku just leaving his family and friends behind to train for many years, if you count GT.

Man, when you look at Dragon Ball to GT Goku really did change a lot, not in a good way in my opinion, sure he got strong and acts like he cares for his family. I remember in Dragon Ball and the early half of Z thinking "What a great guy" Than that happened and I really didn't understand what happened, I know the guy likes to fight and train but even Vegeta knows what its limit is when it comes to that it seems
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Old 2013-04-15, 03:40   Link #623
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Yes, however he didn't ask if that was a good idea or not and was fine with Goku just leaving his family and friends behind to train for many years, if you count GT.
Does not changed the fact that Goku thought of it himself and was eager to train him. And Goku is known to make questionable decisions even before the end of DB/Z. I don't think it's fair to put the blame on Uub or his character when Goku is the one being stupid here.
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Old 2013-04-15, 04:11   Link #624
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Yes, however he didn't ask if that was a good idea or not and was fine with Goku just leaving his family and friends behind to train for many years, if you count GT.

Man, when you look at Dragon Ball to GT Goku really did change a lot, not in a good way in my opinion, sure he got strong and acts like he cares for his family. I remember in Dragon Ball and the early half of Z thinking "What a great guy" Than that happened and I really didn't understand what happened, I know the guy likes to fight and train but even Vegeta knows what its limit is when it comes to that it seems
I actually looked up to Goku and admired him. But after the Cell Saga I felt that the power he attained got to his head. And IMHO, he became a bit arrogant (which is Ironic since I've long felt now that Superman has this similar problem). I'll admit that the Funimation dubb did make Goku more arrogant than how he really was, but even when I rewatched the DBZ series (the Japanese versions this time rather than the english dubbs) his arrogance rubbed off of me the wrong way as I got further into the series (and a few characters got unbearable for me, sch as Kuririn and his mouthy android wife. IMHO she should have been terminated.). Even though I disliked the DBGT series overall, the one thing I liked about the series was that they toned down Goku's arrogance alot.

By the way, I may as well ask this before I forget. My brother in law, yesterday, told me that he's heard that because of the popularity of this new DBZ movie there are plans for a new DBZ movie. I thought this was a bit too.....'incredible' to believe. But I thought I'd go ahead and ask people here if there is any truth to this rumor, or if he heard wrong.
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Old 2013-04-15, 09:06   Link #625
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I'd say his arrogance really begins when he turns Super Saiyan. That's also when he starts not really caring about his family (staying in space for a year to train).

As far as another movie/series goes, there's nothing about it on ANN, Kanzenshuu, or any other news site. As far as I'm concerned, that makes it as credible as "my father's cousin's daughter's tax attorney heard..."
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Old 2013-04-16, 11:19   Link #626
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That Dragon Ball Z movie sounds like its making a lot of money. I'm curious though, how does it compare to One Piece Z? Money I mean, I forget how much that film made but I know the One Piece films keep breaking records.
Dragon Ball battle of Gods: 22 million dollars after 16 days
One piece film Z: 36 million dollars after 10 days
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Old 2013-04-18, 00:00   Link #627
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By the way, I may as well ask this before I forget. My brother in law, yesterday, told me that he's heard that because of the popularity of this new DBZ movie there are plans for a new DBZ movie. I thought this was a bit too.....'incredible' to believe. But I thought I'd go ahead and ask people here if there is any truth to this rumor, or if he heard wrong.
Here you go:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/04/15...-episode-0330/

(The disclaimer was added after illiterate people on the Internet started linking to it as "proof" of the rumor. How a thorough debunking passes for validation, I have no idea. Perhaps merely speaking its name gives it power. )

Also here:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/view...642665#p642665
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Old 2013-04-18, 21:12   Link #628
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Here you go:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2013/04/15...-episode-0330/

(The disclaimer was added after illiterate people on the Internet started linking to it as "proof" of the rumor. How a thorough debunking passes for validation, I have no idea. Perhaps merely speaking its name gives it power. )

Also here:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/view...642665#p642665
I'm not surprised to read that a misunderstanding turned into a rumor, such a thing tends to happen frequently. In fact, this isn't the first time that I've read about a rumor of a new Dragonball series. Hell, remember the rumors of Dragonball AF (and the fanart that was passed off as "conecpt art")?
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Old 2013-04-18, 21:41   Link #629
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Super Saiyan power has always been based on anger. The best this does is say that Vegeta can still be relevant in short bursts.
It's because of plot armor, fan favorite rivals always get second place imho.

He's kept around because he's useful as Akira Toriyama says it, which means Vegeta though he hates the character, he's the one giving the big bucks due to popularity.

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Dragon Ball battle of Gods: 22 million dollars after 16 days
One piece film Z: 36 million dollars after 10 days
Not surprise since One Piece is indeed more popular in Japan
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Old 2013-04-18, 22:30   Link #630
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Not surprise since One Piece is indeed more popular in Japan
And in the US?
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Old 2013-04-18, 23:20   Link #631
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Super Saiyan God... Ugh.

Huge disappoint. It was just a pink Kaio-ken and didn't even amount to anything in the end... The movie was also way too much Goku Time though I'm not really surprised as that's what DBZ ended up being because fans refused to let Goku pass on the torch to Gohan. That villain was also terrible and his reason for wanting to kill everyone later on was lame too.

I'm not looking forward to that rumored new DBZ series even if it gives us an idea what everyone was doing during the long timeskip and before GT.
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Old 2013-04-18, 23:22   Link #632
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And in the US?
DBZBOG 2 more years before it gets published.

One Piece is hot in Japan, DB is more of a hit in the US
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Old 2013-04-19, 08:51   Link #633
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It's because of plot armor, fan favorite rivals always get second place imho.

He's kept around because he's useful as Akira Toriyama says it, which means Vegeta though he hates the character, he's the one giving the big bucks due to popularity.
This is most likely the reason Vegeta has become #2 again.

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And in the US?
One Piece isn't really popular in North America primarily because of how 4Kids handled it prior to Funimation taking over. It was originally a terrible, censored mess, with atrocious voice acting, that really turned people away from it. Now, it's a really good dub. And the manga volumes are being released shortly after their japanese counterparts. It's unfortunate, because One Piece is a very well-written story. It's easily surpassed Dragon Ball for me.
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Old 2013-04-19, 08:55   Link #634
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It's because of plot armor, fan favorite rivals always get second place imho.

He's kept around because he's useful as Akira Toriyama says it, which means Vegeta though he hates the character, he's the one giving the big bucks due to popularity.
I doubt he hates Vegeta. After all, he gave Vegeta the final panel in the Z manga. If he hates anyone at this point, it's probably Goku, since he's seemingly not allowed to write a story where Goku isn't the ultimate champion.

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I'm not looking forward to that rumored new DBZ series even if it gives us an idea what everyone was doing during the long timeskip and before GT.
And you shouldn't be, since it's not real. It's just a rumor, and a bad one at that. And bad rumors need to just die off.
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Old 2013-04-19, 08:57   Link #635
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Good.

Dragon Ball Z has been milked for so long... I mean, sure it turns a profit still and these new Movies and stuff give them new shiny broken characters for the fighting games... But it seems to be way too much.

I don't blame him if he hates Goku. He wanted to pass down the torch so many times but he just wasn't allowed to which in turn forced him to change plans as he had wanted characters like Gohan to take the lead there after.
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Old 2013-04-19, 08:58   Link #636
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I doubt he hates Vegeta. After all, he gave Vegeta the final panel in the Z manga. If he hates anyone at this point, it's probably Goku, since he's seemingly not allowed to write a story where Goku isn't the ultimate champion.
Toriyama said in some interview that he hates Vegeta as a character. And although that was some time back, that may very well still be the case, and it's all we have to go by concerning this.
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Old 2013-04-19, 08:59   Link #637
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I wouldn't be surprised if they end up doing more movies or OVAs, but they definitely won't do another series. Kai proved to them that no one will buy blurays or dvds, despite massive ratings. In other words, everyone wants to see it, no one cares enough to shell out money for it. Thus, they will likely go with avenues where money must be paid to see it: movies and OVAs.

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Toriyama said in some interview that he hates Vegeta as a character. And although that was some time back, that may very well still be the case, and it's all we have to go by concerning this.
He probably already forgot he hated him. He couldn't even remember things from the finale of Z (SSJ3 != SSJ2).
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I worry about that as the later Movie plots have been pretty bad and they really can't make something awesome or thought out due to the time constraints on a Movie compared to a series.
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Old 2013-04-19, 09:10   Link #639
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He probably already forgot he hated him. He couldn't even remember things from the finale of Z (SSJ3 != SSJ2).
Good point .

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I worry about that as the later Movie plots have been pretty bad and they really can't make something awesome or thought out due to the time constraints on a Movie compared to a series.
Honestly, they have a great source material to work with. They just need to find competent and passionate writers for such a project. Even if it's just movies or OVAs from now on, they same still applies. We don't want shoddy products just for the sake of milking the franchise.
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Old 2013-04-19, 09:14   Link #640
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The main thing they need to do is stop having Gohan get punked in two hits. Let him be the one to get the drawn out battle while Goku gets his power-up before ultimately beating the boss. They kind of did this in the Dragon Fist movie, though he still got punked at the end (should've had them explain that Gohan's lack of any technique fancier than a Kamehameha or Masenko is what kept him from being able to beat Hirudegarn).

Maybe showcase Vegeta's tactical mind some more, since it seemingly disappeared from his character after Namek.

And, of course, bring in Future Trunks!
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