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Old 2012-09-30, 20:47   Link #481
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Old 2012-09-30, 20:49   Link #482
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Define war. Full-scale total war, or a limited regional war like the Falklands?
Something like the Falklands.
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Old 2012-09-30, 21:01   Link #483
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Something like the Falklands.
unless someone does something really stupid it won't get that far.
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Old 2012-09-30, 21:33   Link #484
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USS Enterprise is due to be decommissioned at the beginning of December. She was on her last tour and should be coming home soon, if not already on her way home.

But USS John Stennis was suppose to be the ship to relieve Enterprise, so if she's not in the Gulf, than Enterprise shouldn't be on her way home yet. If fact, the Stennis should have just relieved Enterprise a week ago, but if it is going to the Pacific instead of the Arabian Sea...where does Enterprise go? (Stennis left port a month ago)

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...ng-longer?lite

(USS Enterprise is confirmed to have still been in the Arabian Sea as of September 26th, 2012).
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Old 2012-09-30, 22:30   Link #485
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For those saying those Chinese missiles likely will not be as effective as the rhetoric will claim it to be -- will likely be absolutely right. But they're missing the point..

The point is that all of these missiles, carriers, etc. are all tools with which to nudge the political chess pieces minutely one way or another. Losing a single ship during "total war"time, even a carrier, is a tragedy.. One that will be avenged, replaced, blah blah blah.. During "peacetime" as it were, like now, or in a limited engagement .. would be a complete and utter disaster. It would never happen, no one would ever put it in any place where there would even be 5-10% chance.

Everyone is posturing, but don't presume that the U.S. is posturing any less than the Chinese are.
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Old 2012-09-30, 22:53   Link #486
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For those saying those Chinese missiles likely will not be as effective as the rhetoric will claim it to be -- will likely be absolutely right. But they're missing the point..

The point is that all of these missiles, carriers, etc. are all tools with which to nudge the political chess pieces minutely one way or another. Losing a single ship during "total war"time, even a carrier, is a tragedy.. One that will be avenged, replaced, blah blah blah.. During "peacetime" as it were, like now, or in a limited engagement .. would be a complete and utter disaster. It would never happen, no one would ever put it in any place where there would even be 5-10% chance.

Everyone is posturing, but don't presume that the U.S. is posturing any less than the Chinese are.
I understand your point....just wanted to point that technical bit out though.

It shouldn't come to blows unless a critical national interest is threatened.

In fact Taiwan reunification is more critical than Senkaku area
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Old 2012-09-30, 23:06   Link #487
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@Sumeragi,

In my opinion, DPJ is politically immature, and multiple examples of underestimate/overestimate their own or their opponents strength show an lack of the experience to handle crisis. That causes either impasse (like the US base) or confrontation (the current mess). That and what you mentioned.
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Old 2012-09-30, 23:08   Link #488
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Nah, I just see PRC taking advantage of the situation based on DPJ not being as hardline as LDP. Japan does not have the guts to use anything to its advantage unlike the resident fellow Red Giant which has always been nice enough to condemn other's protection of sovereignty as "inhumane provocation". I still remember how the PRC foreign ministry actually said the Koreans were at fault for arresting fishers who murdered a coast guard among accusations of human right violations (again, for arresting murderers). That is the true face of PRC: Hegemonist hypocrite.
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Old 2012-10-01, 07:24   Link #489
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That is the true face of PRC: Hegemonist hypocrite.
Omergerd!! xD

Wonder how the dispute is now. My personal news sources stopped talking about it now. (probably nothing interesting happened that is article-worthy).
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Old 2012-10-01, 13:38   Link #490
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That is the true face of PRC: Hegemonist hypocrite.
The same could also be said for US. But I would prefer US over China Russia by a long shot of course
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Old 2012-10-01, 13:45   Link #491
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Perhaps, but at least it doesn't support murderers by accusing the arresting party of human rights violation. There is a line between supporting national interests and being hypocritical, and PRC crosses it frequently.
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Old 2012-10-01, 13:48   Link #492
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Perhaps, but at least it doesn't support murderers by accusing the arresting party of human rights violation. There is a line between supporting national interests and being hypocritical, and PRC crosses it frequently.
the US has supported government who does so in the past. and the only reason it is in the past is because government has been overthrown.
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Old 2012-10-01, 13:56   Link #493
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Never said anything about supporting regimes. I'm talking about PRC fishers resisting arrest for violation of EEZ with axes, pipes, baseball bats, etc, and in the act murdering a coast guard, and all PRC says is for ROK to stop violating the human rights of the arrested fishers. If we apply the PRC case to the US, it's like the US accusing Iran of violating the human rights of Iraq after Iraq invaded Iran.
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Old 2012-10-01, 13:58   Link #494
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Never said anything about supporting regimes. I'm talking about PRC fishers resisting arrest for violation of EEZ with axes, pipes, baseball bats, etc, and in the act murdering a coast guard, and all PRC says is for ROK to stop violating the human rights of the arrested fishers. If we apply the PRC case to the US, it's like the US accusing Iran of violating the human rights of Iraq after Iraq invaded Iran.
didn't the US do that when Saddam was best friends with Reagan?
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Old 2012-10-01, 13:59   Link #495
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No, unless you're counting the US condemnation of Iran's mining of international waters.
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Old 2012-10-01, 14:35   Link #496
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Meh this is really a contest between the US and China and neither country is interested in war.

Japan in essence cannot do anything without authorization from the US so just like with Korea they'll be some saber rattling but the US will rein Japan in from doing anything rash. Likewise the Chinese party will do the same. Let their citizens let loose some steam as usual (really trying to clamp down on the protestors and the west will be complaining about human rights), move some military for show of force to show that they do something and then pull back once the storm settles.

End of story.

Aside from strong economic ties with the US China does a lot of business with Japan and to the Chinese Party money is far more important.
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Old 2012-10-01, 15:34   Link #497
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didn't the US do that when Saddam was best friends with Reagan?
Aren't those Proxy Wars great? Of course, when no longer useful, they get tossed to the side.
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Old 2012-10-01, 16:56   Link #498
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Somethings get overlooked when it is war as oppose to crime outside a war. I don't recall the US being happy about the chemical weapons used in the Iran-Iraqi War. Though at the time I believe we were much more upset with the Iranians after the hostage crisis and other things. Especially since before 1979 Iran was an ally of the US against the Soviets and we were giving them some top class military hardware (they are the only country other than the United States to have operated F-14 air superiority fighters and have Pheonix missiles).
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Old 2012-10-04, 01:31   Link #499
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Island plans by Tokyo's nationalist governor may stoke fresh China tensions

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(Reuters) - Tokyo Governor Shintaro Ishihara, a fiery nationalist whose failed bid to buy a group of disputed islands ignited a crisis with China, is pushing ahead with a plan to build structures there to hammer home Japan's claim, officials involved told Reuters.
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Old 2012-10-04, 15:35   Link #500
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Randolph Scott.

Though somehow I'd see a Japanese-Chinese verison of the "Great Pie Fight" evolve into one of those ackward Japanese game shows with messy challenges and a lot of embarrasment for the players.
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