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EmperorIceBerg · 2004-04-12, 19:25

Why don't major fansub groups (AonE, a-s, A-Keep, Lunar, ect) communicate and have each sub a different series?

Wouldn't , for one, cut back on the time it takes them to sub a new episode? I mean they wouldn't have to take time away from one show to sub another.

Second, wouldn't make farless work for them knowing they don't have to sub a certain series because another, reliable, group is on the job.

Feel free to discuss so I can get some feedback on both your positive and negative views, on this subject.

Sergejack · 2004-04-12, 19:30

^^

It's sad to be said but : It's just a matter of fame.

To bad there is so much waste.

***NightWish*** · 2004-04-12, 19:33

I would say it has something to do with what shows they enjoy... after all why would they sub something they don't enjoy just because no one else is subbing it?

It comes down to their motivation for producing the translations. If there were an organizational structure governing the subbing of different shows (to cover the whole range of those available) it would be more akin to a bootleg operation than something done in spare time for enjoyment.

Superchop · 2004-04-12, 19:45

Well, i don't mind having different groups subbing the same show...it makes it interesting...you get more then 1 choice which can be a good thing...different fonts/colors/karaoke etc etc so if you don't like one...you have another to go to...and having different groups also means you have someone to fall back on if the group your d/ling from decides to drop a project cause of complications

but most of the time i think groups are fairly good with their release speeds...so i can't complain about that...

complich8 · 2004-04-12, 20:42

to be perfectly honest, there is a degree of communication between groups on who's subbing what. That's why joint projects exist, actually ... two groups that like each other decide it'd be duplication of effort for both to do a series they both want to do, so they do the project together, split the effort and produce a result that hopefully both are happy with.

Ultimately what groups will work together boils down to their pasts and their attitudes toward each other. Bigger, older and more famous groups are harder to do joints with, usually because they tend to get kind of egotistical. Other times (more frequently) the groups just have incompatible personalities. This isn't to say that one group or another is better or worse than the other .... just that they have trouble working together.

In fact, from my own group's history, our personalities and akeep's clashed, so we decided not to work together anymore on dnangel (back when dnangel was first airing). We both wanted to do it, so we both did it, and we realized that doing it together wasn't working, so we split apart. I know I personally still watch a lot of akeep releases, but I still find I like my own group's releases more than theirs on stuff we're "competing" on. That's just my extremely biased personal opinion, but extremely biased personal opinions are why multiple groups sub the same things.

You'll see a lot of groups that tend to gravitate toward each other. Usually that's an indicator that the groups have found working combinations that get along ok. Like aone and anbu, or anbu and hqa, hqa and r-b did some stuff together that seemed to work, a-e and e-f did a few things together in the old days, the groups that grew into triad used to work together so much they spit off their parent groups (or something like that). ae and akeep tend to work together, akeep and anbu too. It's all about group compatibility and staff personalities.

"Just because you can guess turkey volume doesn't mean I can't go ahead and guess turkey volume too" so to speak.

CompShrink · 2004-04-12, 20:45

Wow, how many times have I heard this question... I know I've heard it at least once before on these forums.

SergeJack and NightWish are both right, some people sub for fame. Generally, people like recognition, but some are almost wholely motivated by it. On the other hand, this is a hobby, and while some people do sub primarily for fame, some sub primarily for the love of a show. I don't think there are many, if any fansubbers who aren't into fansubing for a mix of loving anime and wanting fame.

Honestly, I believe you will do a better job on something you like, doing something just because it's not done by anyone else is a bad idea if no one in your group is more than mildly interested in it. You won't be very motivated to do a good job.

There's also an advantage to multiple groups, as Superchop said, if one group stops, it's good to have another already working on a series. Also, some groups liek to go for a very close almost direct translation, while others try to make it sound as much like a natively English script as possible. Neither way is necessarily better, it's a matter of taste, so it's good to have a choice.

brood-faun · 2004-04-12, 20:59

Can someone explain me what fame does one gain from (free)fansubbing? I keep hearing people saying some do it for fame. The amount of time this groups put through is insane compared what they gain. Most just do it for the love of anime and for the fans. Heck, most won't even able the name the translator of a large fansub group. I sure won't call that a fame.

zalas · 2004-04-12, 21:02

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Originally Posted by brood-faun

Can someone explain me what fame does one gain from (free)fansubbing? I keep hearing people saying some do it for fame. The amount of time this groups put through is insane compared what they gain. Most just do it for the love of anime and for the fans. Heck, most won't even able the name the translator of a large fansub group. I sure won't call that a fame.

But then what if you say you are the translator for a large group, like say "ANBU?" I'm sure a lot of people will at least recognize the group name. If a lot of groups weren't doing it for fame, then we wouldn't see all those fansub staff credits smeared all over the place.

Lucier · 2004-04-12, 21:10

We do it for ANIME... period...

If we wanted fame, I'm sure we'd all be working on something else XD
We don't even put credits on our work (out of respect for the anime)... (So it's certainly not for recognition...)

And actually this season I see *ALOT* more teaming up going on...

I'm personally against oversubbing, as I know many are... but as stated earlier... who wants to work on a project you don't like!!
Thus joints are the key ^^;...
Of course, as complich explained, joints don't always work out... but it's still a good goal...

I say as long as we're having fun, it's all good ^_^
If it's not fun, you'll probably do a poor job, and thus disrespect the anime itself =/...

CompShrink · 2004-04-12, 21:14

What zalas said, if you say "I'm translator for BIG NAME FANSUBS" people will respect you(or at least some people think so). But also, some people just like to feel famous, to know that they did something so many people are watching.

Some people are also in denial and think that the credits are actualyl paided attention to. They are a little, by some people. I would occationally pay attention to credits in series, but generally, they are ignored.

zalas · 2004-04-12, 21:19

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Originally Posted by CompShrink

Some people are also in denial and think that the credits are actualyl paided attention to. They are a little, by some people. I would occationally pay attention to credits in series, but generally, they are ignored.

If something strikes me about a certain fansub, like how well or how poorly one aspect was done, I really pay attention to the credits. Kind of like... "I'm staying away from this guy..."

EmperorIceBerg · 2004-04-12, 21:22

Thanks for all the replies everyone.

LordBrian · 2004-04-12, 22:04

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Originally Posted by complich8

the groups that grew into triad used to work together so much they spit off their parent groups (or something like that).

Close, but Triad maintains friendly relationships with the old parent groups, and has not once spit on any of them. (Though the splitting was due to one of the most perfect joints I have yet to take part in.)

XxNarutoFanxX · 2004-04-12, 22:13

To be off topic

Actually I love the AnimeOne and Anbu joint on Naruto. Best Quality ever and pretty much the first BT download I ever expeierienced with. Of course I am not a biased asshole who only likes thier quality because of Naruto. I also like other joints such as AE and Akeep. This is what i call United We Stand! Joint projects also encourage people to download subs from either group because of thier quality on thier joint project. But usually a dilemma comes when lets say Akeep and AE does the same series and yata yata yata...

Quote:

Why don't major fansub groups (AonE, a-s, A-Keep, Lunar, ect) communicate and have each sub a different series?

Wouldn't , for one, cut back on the time it takes them to sub a new episode? I mean they wouldn't have to take time away from one show to sub another.

Second, wouldn't make farless work for them knowing they don't have to sub a certain series because another, reliable, group is on the job.

Feel free to discuss so I can get some feedback on both your positive and negative views, on this subject.

Many people have different styles and tastes. Lets say Sub group A has a better translation than Sub group B that many people tends to like. That person will dl Sub Group A's subs. Also people tend to like accurate timing and stuff like that. These are probaly the many factors in how a sub group gets popular.

Long long time ago in a present day not so far away.................( enough with the StarWars Crap) There was this particular group(i am not naming them) made a translation error that screwed up thier rep. But that didnt stop them. They corrected thier mistake and now they seem to be a player in one of the more popular anime. More people are downloading that anime from that group from a certain well named group. Probaly because they were fast. WHo knows?

JAppi · 2004-04-12, 22:16

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Originally Posted by XxNarutoFanxX

Actually I love the AnimeOne and Anbu joint on Naruto. Best Quality ever and pretty much the first BT download I ever expeierienced with. Of course I am not a biased asshole who only likes thier quality because of Naruto.

It's pretty sad how people think any group who subs Naruto is an amazing sub group.

XxNarutoFanxX · 2004-04-12, 22:23

Hold down on the flamewars Jappi I asked permission to put that sig up from you!

Besides i just said i was not a biased asshole who favor thier group just because of Naruto.

Strato · 2004-04-12, 22:26

How about "why would a group be so desperate to compete that they release episode 2 before episode 1?"

XxNarutoFanxX · 2004-04-12, 22:35

Easy. The group wants a good impression. Say the Anime is halfway done. The group who wants a good rep would have no time to release the starting half of the series. If a group does, the series would be done and not many will download thier subs and evaluate thier quality. Thus the group will release episodes of where it is currently at. People will download. See if its to thier tastes. And if it is, they will stick to it for a while until they make a final desicion to keep the sub or not. Also to that note most sub groups that do that will usually complete the other half later.

Impression wise is one reason gaining fame from us leechers is another. One example is BakaFansubs who is currently releasing Naruto episodes. It will be hard to catch on but it is possible. Most people love thier speed and thier quality is comparable to Anbu Aones subs.

Some sub groups also start late. It doesnt matter to me. I usually download the fansub groups anime that impressed me the most with thier work. Also with what anime they are subbing too.

Right now i am facing a dilemma on the newly released Baku Ten. Aone or Lunar. Both have extremly great quality and translation work. Right now I might have to dl both for evauation.

lomeando · 2004-04-12, 22:41

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Originally Posted by Lucier

We don't even put credits on our work (out of respect for the anime)... (So it's certainly not for recognition...)

And this is something people should respect you for. A simple note with the group name and the IRC channel/webpage (so fans can find more episodes if they get one from somewhere else) is all that's required.

I should note that not everyone ignores the credits. At our local anime club, people seem to get a kick out of laughing at some of the stupid nicks people use.

XxNarutoFanxX · 2004-04-12, 22:47

Actually IMO you should credit it. Hey who knows? Maybe ADV or Geneon would want to hire you for thier company. I know thier company DL your subs and probaly thier executives spend thier time just to download off BT, like you and me, to find some good anime. Once they seen the amount of leechers and how good the anime is they license it. If not for BT we would not have as much DVD's and anime merchandise than before. If not for you fansub groups, we the leechers would not have a great selection to watch from. Also to the fact that when a animecon comes look at the biiiiig license list. Its huge.

Hope you guys do get hired. I hear you get payed big and have niiiice benefits. Only if the anime sells though^_^

2004-04-12, 19:25	Link #1
EmperorIceBerg Member Join Date: Apr 2004	Why Do Fansub Groups 'Compete'? Why don't major fansub groups (AonE, a-s, A-Keep, Lunar, ect) communicate and have each sub a different series? Wouldn't , for one, cut back on the time it takes them to sub a new episode? I mean they wouldn't have to take time away from one show to sub another. Second, wouldn't make farless work for them knowing they don't have to sub a certain series because another, reliable, group is on the job. Feel free to discuss so I can get some feedback on both your positive and negative views, on this subject.

2004-04-12, 19:30	Link #2
Sergejack Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Above Age: 30	^^ It's sad to be said but : It's just a matter of fame. To bad there is so much waste. __________________ Fansub can be so cool when it doesn't get showy.

2004-04-12, 19:33	Link #3
*NightWish* …wait for the ricochet AnimeSuki Site Staff Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: U.K. London Age: 30	I would say it has something to do with what shows they enjoy... after all why would they sub something they don't enjoy just because no one else is subbing it? It comes down to their motivation for producing the translations. If there were an organizational structure governing the subbing of different shows (to cover the whole range of those available) it would be more akin to a bootleg operation than something done in spare time for enjoyment. __________________ From the look on a tiger's face one would imagine that he could do without a stick. ? ?

2004-04-12, 19:45	Link #4
Superchop Lord Sesshoumaru Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: "Post a Photo of Yourself!" Thread	Well, i don't mind having different groups subbing the same show...it makes it interesting...you get more then 1 choice which can be a good thing...different fonts/colors/karaoke etc etc so if you don't like one...you have another to go to...and having different groups also means you have someone to fall back on if the group your d/ling from decides to drop a project cause of complications but most of the time i think groups are fairly good with their release speeds...so i can't complain about that... __________________ SENIOR MEMBER 2 OF "The so exclusive club, you cannot join, umm err, club!"® -established Oct 26, 2003- Hate goes out to any imitations, relation, or blatant wanna-be of stated club - The ONE and ORIGINAL -

2004-04-12, 20:42	Link #5
complich8 Fansubber Emeritus Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rockville, MD Age: 29	to be perfectly honest, there is a degree of communication between groups on who's subbing what. That's why joint projects exist, actually ... two groups that like each other decide it'd be duplication of effort for both to do a series they both want to do, so they do the project together, split the effort and produce a result that hopefully both are happy with. Ultimately what groups will work together boils down to their pasts and their attitudes toward each other. Bigger, older and more famous groups are harder to do joints with, usually because they tend to get kind of egotistical. Other times (more frequently) the groups just have incompatible personalities. This isn't to say that one group or another is better or worse than the other .... just that they have trouble working together. In fact, from my own group's history, our personalities and akeep's clashed, so we decided not to work together anymore on dnangel (back when dnangel was first airing). We both wanted to do it, so we both did it, and we realized that doing it together wasn't working, so we split apart. I know I personally still watch a lot of akeep releases, but I still find I like my own group's releases more than theirs on stuff we're "competing" on. That's just my extremely biased personal opinion, but extremely biased personal opinions are why multiple groups sub the same things. You'll see a lot of groups that tend to gravitate toward each other. Usually that's an indicator that the groups have found working combinations that get along ok. Like aone and anbu, or anbu and hqa, hqa and r-b did some stuff together that seemed to work, a-e and e-f did a few things together in the old days, the groups that grew into triad used to work together so much they spit off their parent groups (or something like that). ae and akeep tend to work together, akeep and anbu too. It's all about group compatibility and staff personalities. "Just because you can guess turkey volume doesn't mean I can't go ahead and guess turkey volume too" so to speak. __________________ http://www.complich8.net

2004-04-12, 20:45	Link #6
CompShrink getting in comps' heads Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: #ToTan @ irc.chatsociety.net	Wow, how many times have I heard this question... I know I've heard it at least once before on these forums. SergeJack and NightWish are both right, some people sub for fame. Generally, people like recognition, but some are almost wholely motivated by it. On the other hand, this is a hobby, and while some people do sub primarily for fame, some sub primarily for the love of a show. I don't think there are many, if any fansubbers who aren't into fansubing for a mix of loving anime and wanting fame. Honestly, I believe you will do a better job on something you like, doing something just because it's not done by anyone else is a bad idea if no one in your group is more than mildly interested in it. You won't be very motivated to do a good job. There's also an advantage to multiple groups, as Superchop said, if one group stops, it's good to have another already working on a series. Also, some groups liek to go for a very close almost direct translation, while others try to make it sound as much like a natively English script as possible. Neither way is necessarily better, it's a matter of taste, so it's good to have a choice.

2004-04-12, 20:59	Link #7
brood-faun Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003	Can someone explain me what fame does one gain from (free)fansubbing? I keep hearing people saying some do it for fame. The amount of time this groups put through is insane compared what they gain. Most just do it for the love of anime and for the fans. Heck, most won't even able the name the translator of a large fansub group. I sure won't call that a fame.

2004-04-12, 21:10	Link #9
Lucier Lunar Translator Join Date: Mar 2003	We do it for ANIME... period... If we wanted fame, I'm sure we'd all be working on something else XD We don't even put credits on our work (out of respect for the anime)... (So it's certainly not for recognition...) And actually this season I see ALOT more teaming up going on... I'm personally against oversubbing, as I know many are... but as stated earlier... who wants to work on a project you don't like!! Thus joints are the key ^^;... Of course, as complich explained, joints don't always work out... but it's still a good goal... I say as long as we're having fun, it's all good ^_^ If it's not fun, you'll probably do a poor job, and thus disrespect the anime itself =/...

2004-04-12, 21:14	Link #10
CompShrink getting in comps' heads Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: #ToTan @ irc.chatsociety.net	What zalas said, if you say "I'm translator for BIG NAME FANSUBS" people will respect you(or at least some people think so). But also, some people just like to feel famous, to know that they did something so many people are watching. Some people are also in denial and think that the credits are actualyl paided attention to. They are a little, by some people. I would occationally pay attention to credits in series, but generally, they are ignored.

2004-04-12, 21:22	Link #12
EmperorIceBerg Member Join Date: Apr 2004	Thanks for all the replies everyone.

2004-04-12, 22:23	Link #16
XxNarutoFanxX Nancy forever! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Monterey Park, CA Los Angeles County Age: 23	Hold down on the flamewars Jappi I asked permission to put that sig up from you! Besides i just said i was not a biased asshole who favor thier group just because of Naruto. __________________ Thanks Kira_Naruto and Mr. Hawq for your efforts!

2004-04-12, 22:26	Link #17
Strato Sunshine-Rainbows Join Date: Dec 2003	How about "why would a group be so desperate to compete that they release episode 2 before episode 1?"

2004-04-12, 22:35	Link #18
XxNarutoFanxX Nancy forever! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Monterey Park, CA Los Angeles County Age: 23	Easy. The group wants a good impression. Say the Anime is halfway done. The group who wants a good rep would have no time to release the starting half of the series. If a group does, the series would be done and not many will download thier subs and evaluate thier quality. Thus the group will release episodes of where it is currently at. People will download. See if its to thier tastes. And if it is, they will stick to it for a while until they make a final desicion to keep the sub or not. Also to that note most sub groups that do that will usually complete the other half later. Impression wise is one reason gaining fame from us leechers is another. One example is BakaFansubs who is currently releasing Naruto episodes. It will be hard to catch on but it is possible. Most people love thier speed and thier quality is comparable to Anbu Aones subs. Some sub groups also start late. It doesnt matter to me. I usually download the fansub groups anime that impressed me the most with thier work. Also with what anime they are subbing too. Right now i am facing a dilemma on the newly released Baku Ten. Aone or Lunar. Both have extremly great quality and translation work. Right now I might have to dl both for evauation. __________________ Thanks Kira_Naruto and Mr. Hawq for your efforts!

2004-04-12, 22:47	Link #20
XxNarutoFanxX Nancy forever! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Monterey Park, CA Los Angeles County Age: 23	Actually IMO you should credit it. Hey who knows? Maybe ADV or Geneon would want to hire you for thier company. I know thier company DL your subs and probaly thier executives spend thier time just to download off BT, like you and me, to find some good anime. Once they seen the amount of leechers and how good the anime is they license it. If not for BT we would not have as much DVD's and anime merchandise than before. If not for you fansub groups, we the leechers would not have a great selection to watch from. Also to the fact that when a animecon comes look at the biiiiig license list. Its huge. Hope you guys do get hired. I hear you get payed big and have niiiice benefits. Only if the anime sells though^_^ __________________ Thanks Kira_Naruto and Mr. Hawq for your efforts!