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Old 2013-08-05, 17:44   Link #861
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Who cares about named-characters’ deaths when you have an enjoyable story and one of the best CGI mecha-fights in anime history? In fact, named-characters' deaths have become so common in mecha anime that it's nothing special anymore. Plus, if you don't execute it properly, named-character's deaths and the angst caused by them won't help the show, just look at Gundam AGE .
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Old 2013-08-05, 18:18   Link #862
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Is not necessary to kill a main characters, but this series has the issue that all this grandiose battles are costless. Nobody dies, nobody suffers. Just a bunch of nameless people that are there to be killed in a massive explosion. The 5 fail dont feel a thing fighting and killing, they dont even get tired, besides their particular personal issues, but its all almost comic relief.

So this series suffers from it, all in all the story is not that bad. It has cool moments. But a little compromise of the main characters would have make it a killer one.
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Who cares about named-characters’ deaths when you have an enjoyable story and one of the best CGI mecha-fights in anime history? In fact, named-characters' deaths have become so common in mecha anime that it's nothing special anymore.
Of course named-characters' death has become common in mecha anime. Because without it, viewers start to notice what Irenesharda, dmaxzero, and myself have noticed for this show. And that's that named-character plot armor is rather thick, so why care about the fights when nothing is likely to change with them anyway?

Let me use a point of comparison here. I think you've seen Valvrave.

Spoiler for Major Valvrave spoilers, for comparison purposes:
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Old 2013-08-05, 18:33   Link #863
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Of course named-characters' death has become common in mecha anime. Because without it, viewers start to notice what Irenesharda, dmaxzero, and myself have noticed for this show. And that's that named-character plot armor is rather thick, so why care about the fights when nothing is likely to change with them anyway?

Let me use a point of comparison here. I think you've seen Valvrave.
It took you this long to notice it? I think, by the end of episode 5 or so, I already noticed that this series ainít gonna hammer their named-characters so easily . In fact, now that Iíve look at it, I think itís their aim not to kill named characters during the first cour. That said, I already enjoy this show as is (so far) without named-characters deaths. But this is a war-set mecha show, thereís bound to be some named casualties in the end, so I wonít complain about it at least until weíve arrived near the finale of the series.
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Old 2013-08-05, 18:35   Link #864
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Let me use a point of comparison here. I think you've seen Valvrave.

Spoiler for Major Valvrave spoilers, for comparison purposes:
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No doubt, Majestic Prince really fails at that part. But comparing it to Valvrave... No matter how Valvrave does some things right, I'd take Majestic Prince over it.



Anyway, seeing a lot of people talk about this, makes me wonder if Majestic Prince will continue at its "leisurely" and "safe" pace or if it'll pull something surprising towards its last episodes....
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Old 2013-08-05, 18:37   Link #865
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It took you this long to notice it?
Well, I figured from the overall tone of the show that the likelihood of a Team Rabbits member dying was very close to 0, but I'm honestly surprised that Team Doberman and all the named antagonists are all still with us. I will give the show some props, though, for having fun with Team Doberman getting angry over (and overcoming) a death flag being thrown at them.

Anyway, we'll see how the next few episodes go.
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Old 2013-08-05, 20:17   Link #866
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I don't think Team Doberman will get themselves killed, maybe out of action but not killed. When I watch this show and compare it to other series that involve mechas like Gundam or Valvrave, I don't see the drama that appears in the other two. This show doesn't present a very serious tone when concerning the war with the Wulgaru.
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Old 2013-08-06, 02:26   Link #867
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I don't think Team Doberman will get themselves killed, maybe out of action but not killed. When I watch this show and compare it to other series that involve mechas like Gundam or Valvrave, I don't see the drama that appears in the other two. This show doesn't present a very serious tone when concerning the war with the Wulgaru.

A majority of your mecha series pillars such as Gundam, Robotech, etc. would have killed about two or three named characters at this point and hundreds of crew, civilians and soldiers. They are more serious when it comes to the war aspect and the drama and stakes of the series, almost to the point of taking it to melodrama.

However, there is a few like MJP that are leaning to the lighter side of thing in a war, which is okay for what it is. Unfortunately it usually has a smaller audience interest, but there are definitely some like it, and there are some like me think it's okay as it has it's interesting moments and good animation, but it definitely feels like it's lacking something somewhere.
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Old 2013-08-06, 03:28   Link #868
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A majority of your mecha series pillars such as Gundam, Robotech, etc. would have killed about two or three named characters at this point and hundreds of crew, civilians and soldiers. They are more serious when it comes to the war aspect and the drama and stakes of the series, almost to the point of taking it to melodrama.
DO NOT mention the name of Robotech when we’re talking about anime . It’s a bastardized version of SDF Macross blended with other series and resulted in a puke-juice of a show. Oh, and like you said, MJP has its own approach, clearly not the same with Gundam or Macross .
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Old 2013-08-06, 06:14   Link #869
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I have no problems with killing off the cast, but it wouldn't really make an impact.
In order to have an impact you have to actually care for the characters.
You have to be invested.

Are you?

The only intriguing character is Izuru, Asagi and Jiart.
Keyword: intriguing. I'm not emotionally invested in them yet. I'm starting to feel sorry and empathize with Asagi, and I think Izuru got into more trouble than he realized when he awakened Red Five. But, I'm not yet invested.

But they're much better than the rest.

I mean. look at this

Tamaki flirting and gag jokes are plain out painful
Kei is a half assed love interest that does nothing but throw sour looks at Izuru and act jealous towards Teoria
Suruga is just.. there
Ange kinda seems interesting, but they're not going anywhere with her so far
Teoria.. she's even more boring than Kei

But at least they're going to kill Klein next Thursday. God was he annoying.

Edit: I highly suspect the drama will not come from killing off people, though.
I suspect the drama will come from clone angst.
There are already signs that they're use and scrap clones. Not much different from Wurgur foot soldiers.

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Old 2013-08-06, 09:06   Link #870
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That should be drama enough. Doing too much just makes for clunky writing.
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Old 2013-08-08, 08:51   Link #871
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Ep.18:

Spoiler for first half:

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Next ep:
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Viewers will probably love this ep just for the sleek Klein vs Izuru+Asagi+Tamaki fight on earth.
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Old 2013-08-08, 10:10   Link #872
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this episode sated my thirst for blood
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Old 2013-08-08, 11:45   Link #873
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After 18 episodes some "part of the cast character dies in cataclysmic battles".

This is the thing, you could say that this particular type of show does not need to go on the route of killing and murdering. To which I could agree, but what gets me enough to point it out, is that the battles are usually catastrophic in scope, ship after ship after ship destroyed, entire locations decimated, stakes as high as "we dont do this right we are screwed up". Yet it doesnt matter, none of the characters has nothing to lose, the death of others means nothing. That is the thing, all their actions are repercussion free. I am not asking for a Gundam Unicorn type of seriousness or a Macross level of grittiness. But just to know that even in all that mess they are human, that what they do matter, being good or bad.

The only thing that has me curious now is Izuru and Jiart thingy. I think all the rest that is happening is just distraction because it does not matter at all.
That and the mecha porn battles, are well made and cool, no questions there.
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Old 2013-08-08, 14:38   Link #874
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...Gundam unicorn seriousness... Macross grittiness.... I didn't laugh that much a while.

But aside of these (hilarious) jokes. you ask for characters to be human and stuff which is exactly what is this show do best and that was case in this episode as well. It's truth that Team Rabbits have very little to loose, but that's exactly reason why they have to fight even harder to protect that little.

PS: You also contradicting yourself when you ask for Death meaning something while you would like spam with it in "Kill them all" Tomino style. If there will be death it will bear far more significance than any of these gundamesques ones.
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Old 2013-08-08, 15:19   Link #875
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Old 2013-08-08, 15:24   Link #876
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Wow, two villains died and for different reasons. Looks like something big is happening in the next ep since we're about to enter the final quarter and the previews are giving us nothing special.
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Old 2013-08-08, 19:01   Link #877
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The mecha fighting porn in Episode 18 is wonderfully delicious.
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Old 2013-08-08, 19:12   Link #878
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All the hype for Blue Full Burst this week...

Next time, I suppose, next time. A little worried though since there are only six episodes left.
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Old 2013-08-08, 20:50   Link #879
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Well, named character death has finally happened, almost right on cue.

Episode 18 was definitely a great episode.

The mecha action was fantastic. And the contrast between the humans and Wulgaru continues to be compelling and well-developed.
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Old 2013-08-08, 21:03   Link #880
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Together with Yamato that makes 2 series this season where the villains did most of the dying from internal strife.
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