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Old 2012-11-08, 23:10   Link #221
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I personally would like to see a Nolan directed SW7.
Nolan is good with everything except fight choreography. If he doesn’t get a good fight choreographer, the lightsaber fights in his SW will be as boring as the fight in Episode IV.
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Old 2012-11-09, 18:29   Link #222
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Steven Spielberg: I Will Not Direct A Star Wars Movie!:

"Steven Spielberg won't be going to galaxy far, far away.

After the announcement of a seventh "Star Wars" film in 2015, speculation has
run rampant about who might direct the massive project - with many high profile
names being thrown around - but Spielberg won't be in the running."

See:

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/steven-...145726563.html
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Old 2012-11-09, 18:41   Link #223
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Nolan is good with everything except fight choreography. If he doesn’t get a good fight choreographer, the lightsaber fights in his SW will be as boring as the fight in Episode IV.
Doubt it.

Nolan isn't a fan of CGI or at least in the special effects that Star Wars is heavy in. It's not his style.
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Old 2012-11-09, 19:28   Link #224
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Doubt it.

Nolan isn't a fan of CGI or at least in the special effects that Star Wars is heavy in. It's not his style.
Original Star Wars trilogy was not heavy in CGI at all. It's only the prequel trilogy that's so CGI heavy.
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Old 2012-11-09, 19:29   Link #225
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Space battle and other battles that are special effects heavy might be the issue more than CGI characters or green screen work. From what I understand Nolan likes realism or to make things look real or practical. Star Wars is quite the fantasy. Though I will give Lucas credit for having his worlds looked "lived in". With dirt, blast marks, and ware on everything that should be old and used (Tatooine), and clean and sharp where it should be new (Death Star).
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Old 2012-11-09, 19:41   Link #226
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Original Star Wars trilogy was not heavy in CGI at all. It's only the prequel trilogy that's so CGI heavy.
Ugh don't remind me. The fact that all the clone troopers were CGI and such...

But in any case it's still pushing too much into the fantasy realm which isn't Nolan's cup of tea.

I mean take a look at this Batman movies. As someone pointed out anyone could've mistaken them as another "The Departed" movie if it wasn't for a guy flying around in a bat suit.
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Old 2012-11-09, 20:15   Link #227
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Inception is pretty crazy, so was The Prestige, so Nolan can definitely do stuff on the fantastical side.
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Old 2012-11-12, 15:14   Link #228
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Old 2012-11-12, 15:19   Link #229
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Old 2012-11-12, 15:32   Link #230
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An iconic suit of armor. Does not need to be the same person inside of it to intimidate after over 20 year of tyranny. Especially if he has become a legend by the time of the new films.

Thus it does not need to be Anakin Skywalker. It could even be Luke Skywalker (though given his role is suppose to be the Master of the Jedi, shouldn't allow for that to happen).

Darth Vader, is a symbol. A symbol that could be invoked by any new Dark Siders or even the more oppressive factions of the old Galactic Empire. It will strike fear in their enemies and doubt in the older heroes. The children of Skywalker should know without any doubt that Anakin has passed on. Darth Vader died on the Death Star II when Anakin turned back to the light. But, that does not mean that someone in the future won't try to impersonate Lord Vader. If that person it least close to as capable in the Force, the Dark Side, and also can hold massive amounts of intimidation over his underlings? He can be "Darth Vader" as he was in the first film. The heavy in a suit. And even the Vader from the earlier parts of the Empire Strikes Back...the one in control of the Fleet...rather than the one obsessed with Skywalker.

He won't be the Vader from Return of the Jedi. That one was conflicted between Vader and Anakin.
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Old 2012-11-12, 15:39   Link #231
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It would be interesting if Vader became the same as Caesar; What was once a name became a leadership title. Maybe even a ceremonial crown that resemble the Vader helmet but without the mouthpiece.

I can see that happening.
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Old 2012-11-12, 15:48   Link #232
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The faceless evil is sort of a theme. It is invoked using Darth Vader and the stormtroopers originally.

The soulless droid armies for the Trade Federation and Seperatists were the next faceless enemy even though Count Dooku was quite the face of the Seperatists. His boss was hidden (in plain sight). The corruption of government.

Will the new Star Wars reflect US politics at least on a basic level again? (With Palpatine as Nixon in Lucas' eye). Will the reborn Republic or Alliance have troubles of its own in corruption? Or will they be dealing with an external threat, rather than another Galactic Civil War (which is what pretty much all the major wars in the film have been so far, with the Invasion of Naboo being different only that is wasn't a Civil War, but an internal problem between one Republic member and a corperation of the Republic).
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Old 2012-11-12, 17:09   Link #233
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I guess the question is this; with both of the trilogies it was all about Sith Powerplay. And in fact Palpatine was running the show in both cases.

This means with the new trilogy for the first time, we would need a new mastermind. Not necessary the one in the black suit and taking the PR time, but the one who actually run the place.

Now, keeping in mind at Palpatine was all about The Force and his position as a Sith, and that he is effectively doing this because of his identity as a Sith Lord, in order to dominate and wipe out his nemesis, he was only doing what he does for power.

To update to the modern times, could we have a villain who has more vulgar ambitions? Specifically, someone who focus not on domination, but his business plan. To destroy the world for profit. A villain who don't particularly want to murder puppies, but would do so if it would get him an advantage.

An apathetic villain in other words. One who doesn't care about feelings, who doesn't care about trying to BE evil like Palpatine does. One who did evil just because he doesn't see the difference.
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Old 2012-11-12, 17:31   Link #234
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I was under the impression that Star Wars had nothing to do with the USA, and everything to do with Germany (with a bit of the Roman Empire thrown in). Palpatine's rise to power is similar to Hitlers, while the main troops are called Stormtroopers, and the officer's uniforms have a bit of a Wehrmacht feel to them.
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Old 2012-11-12, 17:44   Link #235
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Techically Palpatine did use the corperate ambitions to drive the Seperatist military structure because the large corperation thought they would get a better deal outside the Republic (with its corrupt and basically deadlocked Senate combined with the later threat of Palpatine himself using varous crisis to remain in power over this term limits. The Trade Federation leadership, aside from their revenge thing against Amedala over the Naboo thing, was mostly just a corperate villian out for profit and lower taxes/tarrifs on their trade routes. Likely similar things for the Banking Clan, Commerce Guild and others.

The rest of the worlds that joined them were likely wanting to do way with the corrupt Senate and general lack of attention to their regional or even planetaty problems by the Republic. Or perhaps they wanted the Republic to do less in there sector (keep Big Government out of their lives?) The motives of the various worlds that broke away is not always clear in the Clone Wars. Usually the various series and authors they to keep them as the bad guys with some sort of meglomaiac as the ruler of whatever planet it is, or a greedy politician, or whatever. Yet sometimes we get glimpse of the idealists that joined the Seperatists because they thought they could start over with a better government rather than the decayed Republic.

Also Count Dooku is very charismatic when he needs to be.


The Galactic Civil War that follows the Clone Wars is more good verse evil as the Empire becomes more totalitarian over the decades.

What follows such a war though? The Republic just can't be reborn in a day just because the Palpatine and Vader are dead and one of the main fleets is destroyed or scattered. It will take time to rebuild the Republic. To reinstitute the Senate. A certainly a long time to rebuild the Jedi Order (part of the Judicial system in some respects). Plus how loyal are those that followed the New Order and how many fleets of loyal Imperial are out there with their Star Destroyers, TIE Fighters, and Legions of Stormtroopers?

Star Wars: Episode VII will hopefully provide some answers (if they don't follow the EU at all...because there are lots of answers there).

We know there will be a rebirth of the Sith somehow (balance of the Force). Just what shape will it be? Will the Republic fracture from all its various rebel parts over time? Will they have an entirely external enemy? Or will the puppet master be simply a corperate CEO type that wants what is good for him and him alone, and can manipulate things to go his way...even if the Galaxy erupts in war...there are profits to be made. (that sort of thing?)



(Star Wars was born during the end of the Vietnam War. The symbolism is more Nazi Germany as that invokes a lot more style than anything else. But Palpatine was suppose to be modeled on Nixon more so than Hitler. The Chancellor-Emperor is a schemer rather than an overly charismatic person. Nixon was more schemer (he did not photography well in the 1960 debate with Kennedy for example) and did a lot of things behind closed doors. Hitler was extremely charismatic and they didn't hide all that much. They just misdirected and used nationalism, propaganda, and pure oratory to inspire the German peoples. Palpatine isn't very inspiring of a person...in any form. He's a master manipulator though.)
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Old 2012-11-12, 18:37   Link #236
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Techically Palpatine did use the corperate ambitions to drive the Seperatist military structure because the large corperation thought they would get a better deal outside the Republic (with its corrupt and basically deadlocked Senate combined with the later threat of Palpatine himself using varous crisis to remain in power over this term limits. The Trade Federation leadership, aside from their revenge thing against Amedala over the Naboo thing, was mostly just a corperate villian out for profit and lower taxes/tarrifs on their trade routes. Likely similar things for the Banking Clan, Commerce Guild and others.

The rest of the worlds that joined them were likely wanting to do way with the corrupt Senate and general lack of attention to their regional or even planetaty problems by the Republic. Or perhaps they wanted the Republic to do less in there sector (keep Big Government out of their lives?) The motives of the various worlds that broke away is not always clear in the Clone Wars. Usually the various series and authors they to keep them as the bad guys with some sort of meglomaiac as the ruler of whatever planet it is, or a greedy politician, or whatever. Yet sometimes we get glimpse of the idealists that joined the Seperatists because they thought they could start over with a better government rather than the decayed Republic.

Also Count Dooku is very charismatic when he needs to be.
You can apply the same logic to Germany. The Nazis managed to bring many private interests into their fold in a similar manner to what you describe. In fact, it's just like how the Nazis manipulated the monied interests of Germany. Read up on it.

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(Star Wars was born during the end of the Vietnam War. The symbolism is more Nazi Germany as that invokes a lot more style than anything else. But Palpatine was suppose to be modeled on Nixon more so than Hitler. The Chancellor-Emperor is a schemer rather than an overly charismatic person. Nixon was more schemer (he did not photography well in the 1960 debate with Kennedy for example) and did a lot of things behind closed doors. Hitler was extremely charismatic and they didn't hide all that much. They just misdirected and used nationalism, propaganda, and pure oratory to inspire the German peoples. Palpatine isn't very inspiring of a person...in any form. He's a master manipulator though.)
Don't forget that the Emperor did not exist in the first movie, and was in a diminished form in the second movie. He did not appear as we know him until the 3rd movie in 1983.

Palpatine in the original trilogy is a relatively minor character, the public face of the Empire for viewers is Darth Vader, and he's a very charismatic figure, in his own way. He isn't really Hitler, but he does correspond to a stereotypically ordered "Nazi style" idea of power. All the aesthetics are very Fascist.

I personally don't see much of an analogue to Nixon in the Emperor, the Emperor is far too grand a character. The Emperor more closely matches one of the Caesars, and in the prequel films he matches fairly well with a fascist ideology (though he doesn't have the same personal style as Hitler/Mussolini, he uses the same kind of rhetoric). There might be a bit of the Nixon about him, but he's more closely like Julius Caesar, Napoleon Bonaparte, Joseph Stalin etc.

Also, the Nazis did do a lot of manipulation, they didn't get power by bluster and charisma alone, but by willing to do what others weren't.

Even if the Emperor was modeled after Nixon, the Empire bears no real resemblance to the United States. The Empire is aesthetically and functionally like a cross between the Roman Empire, and Nazi Germany.
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Old 2012-11-18, 19:02   Link #237
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Has anyone ever played this game called Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords??

I'm midway through this game right now I can say this is probably the best Star Wars story I have ever came across. And this is coming from someone who's read more than a few Star Wars novels.

This game has some of the best dialogue I've ever seen in a Star Wars story. They actually go in-depth into discussing what the "Force" really is, how it came about, what it represents. Also they go pretty deep into the Jedi's failings and why the Jedi Order is flawed and how they're not the saints that you see in the movies. Also, your mentor in the game is a Sith, and some of your party members are also Sith, but they are so different from the stereotypical-"evil"-Sith you see in the films I was really amazed.

The game represents a very different Star Wars never seen before.

One of the best examples is a Wookie in the game named Hanharr, who is unlike any other Wookie in the previous SW stories. This guy actually has eloquent dialogue, is extremely smart, has his own philosophies towards the world, he also cheats, lies, backstabs, has no loyalty, hates other Wookies, hates the Wookie life-debt nonsense, and has a controlled craziness about him. This is the type of stuff I want to see more in SW movies.


But unfortunately, I don't think Disney will allow archetype SW characters to derail...
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Old 2012-11-18, 20:28   Link #238
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I guess the question is this; with both of the trilogies it was all about Sith Powerplay. And in fact Palpatine was running the show in both cases.

This means with the new trilogy for the first time, we would need a new mastermind. Not necessary the one in the black suit and taking the PR time, but the one who actually run the place.

Now, keeping in mind at Palpatine was all about The Force and his position as a Sith, and that he is effectively doing this because of his identity as a Sith Lord, in order to dominate and wipe out his nemesis, he was only doing what he does for power.

To update to the modern times, could we have a villain who has more vulgar ambitions? Specifically, someone who focus not on domination, but his business plan. To destroy the world for profit. A villain who don't particularly want to murder puppies, but would do so if it would get him an advantage.

An apathetic villain in other words. One who doesn't care about feelings, who doesn't care about trying to BE evil like Palpatine does. One who did evil just because he doesn't see the difference.
The Hutts could be a viable villain, at least till the Sith have a chance to reform. And the possibility of splinter groups inside the Alliance is always possible and possibly other enemies looking for an angle to make a profit.
I think Ep.7 will deal more with what's going on now, and hint at possibilities of new baddies before getting into whatever their (Disney) planning.
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Old 2012-11-18, 21:43   Link #239
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So I take it from the ongoing speculative discussion that Disney's Episode 7 will ignore the Expanded Universe? No Thrawn no nothing?

That's fine too, I guess. Having hundreds of books and contradictory timelines to deal with would be a pain. Same as how Marvel & co. ignores the vast comic baggage material whenever they feel like making a superhero movie.

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Has anyone ever played this game called Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords??

I'm midway through this game right now I can say this is probably the best Star Wars story I have ever came across. And this is coming from someone who's read more than a few Star Wars novels.
LifeILL, if you're reading this in time, stop playing right now, install this mod (TSLRCM), and restart the whole game.

The game is unfinished without it. You need it, period.

(Unless of course you're already playing with it).

And yes, Kreia kicks ass. She laughs at the entire Star Wars canon and its fallacies.

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Old 2012-11-18, 21:56   Link #240
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At first maybe, but who knows which way Disney will go.
Like I said before, I'd love to see a big screen version of 'Splinter of the Mind's Eye'!
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