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Old 2013-01-04, 17:22   Link #61
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IMHO the bolded ones are deserving..

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Old 2013-01-06, 09:09   Link #62
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Again, never put too much a value in a list you see in East Asia. Many important anime works from 70s and 80s are missing as well.
wtf.....






What has region got to do with this?
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Old 2013-01-06, 10:47   Link #63
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What has region got to do with this?
I'd imagine the moon. so as to equally please everybody
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Old 2013-01-06, 16:09   Link #64
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No Rurouni Kenshin? FAIL.

In terms of the last decade, as much as I can't stand the series, I'd say Naruto probaly would have more of an influence than Bleach has.

Azumanga Daioh is the reason why K-ON and Nichijou exist. So much fail....
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Old 2013-01-06, 23:29   Link #65
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It's interesting that, right after the list in the original article, the author provides their own sort of explanation for their choices, which addresses some of the criticisms expressed in this thread. Some highlights:

1. As a general rule, the author picked representative works that started a series or trend (with some exceptions). (This would explain, for example, why Air and not Clannad.) He also said later that he considered series that had enduring popularity/notoriety, where sequels were still being produced today.

2. He acknowledged that, though he tried to be objective and consider journalistic ideals of fairness, in the end some of it is subjective.

3. He said that he's prefer people who disagree with the choices to focus more on what they'd add and what they'd take away from the list.

4. He also said that, given the large increase of productions starting in 2000, he really struggled with what to leave in and what to take out. (And I think that, given the familiarity most of us here have with anime in the last decade, that's probably going to be the most controversial here. It may still be too soon to get a clear picture.)

As a point of interest, to prepare the article, the author conducted an interview with Masaki Tsuji, the 80-year-old veteran anime scenario and scriptwriter who worked on a lot of famous anime from the 60s, 70s, and 80s (including many of Tezuka's early works).

He also addressed how the concept of "50 anime for 50 years" ended up with a list of 104 anime.

Anyway, the list probably makes more sense in the context of the article from which it was lifted, rather than just taken standalone without any explanation. It's not necessarily claiming to be the be-all end-all.
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Old 2013-01-07, 00:37   Link #66
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What has region got to do with this?
Because you will likely see a different list if you asked someone from the USA, or Mexico, or Spain or France or the Phillipines, etc...

We are ALL biased, depending on the place where we grew because our importers filtered series to cater to the local markets and tastes.
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Old 2013-01-07, 05:12   Link #67
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Because you will likely see a different list if you asked someone from the USA, or Mexico, or Spain or France or the Phillipines, etc...

We are ALL biased, depending on the place where we grew because our importers filtered series to cater to the local markets and tastes.
Precisely....so why should a list from East Asia be treated as of less value? Because only what the complainer deems is important has merit?


Every list regardless of region of origin should have zero influence on your tastes and views
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Old 2013-01-07, 17:04   Link #68
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Precisely....so why should a list from East Asia be treated as of less value? Because only what the complainer deems is important has merit?


Every list regardless of region of origin should have zero influence on your tastes and views
The biggest reason is that rules, culture, and etiquettes that governs journalism and publishing is different in East Asia ( mainly China, Korea, and Japan ) compared to English speaking regions ( mainly USA, UK, and Canada ) is different. Some of the important difference involves reviews of methodology, disclosure of conflict of interest, and willingness to ensure objectivity. While good number of good and bad examples can be found anywhere in the world, on average, East Asian media is worse than English speaking media in the disclosures and quality of methodology employed in making of so called "Top XX" lists.(numbers that can partially back up my claim comes from http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2012/results/ and http://www.globalintegrity.org/report/findings ) Many lists you see Japan anime magazines is heavily tainted by commercial interest of that magazine. The problem usually extends to more serious matters in all 3 big East Asian countries as far as I know, for often lists and numbers were deliberately "cooked" up to serve the political interest of the people in the power of the publication. Another key difference I notice between the 2 region is that when the methodology involved in making a list is questioned, while English media tends to adjust for it by improving their methodology in the next try, rarely you see East Asian media even acknowledge existence of the question. It is as if English media seeks to attain air of credibility in order to further its commercial interest, while East Asian media is more focused on imposing its views upon the readers.

Again, you will find exceptions in East Asian media as well as English media. Still, you will likely find the prevailing attitude towards making and presentation of list to differ between them. Unlike most people here, I find some head-scratching omissions of many very influential series that also was popular in its day from the list for the 60s and 80s. Curiously, the list does well for the 70s, in my opinion. I will leave it up to the readers to decide how or why the following series was omitted . For the disclosure purpose, I admit the choice can't be backed up by many objective standard, as I lack the resources to do broad survey of "experts" of the subject, but can say these series did make big "splash", some even to the mainstream mass media outlets, when they first appeared.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsujin_28-go

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Knight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y%C5%8Dkai_Ningen_Bem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_No._1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutie_Honey

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Adv...h_the_Honeybee

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getter_Robo


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical...ess_Minky_Momo <- TV-Asahi's 2005 list have this above Creamy Mami ( http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-top-100-anime , )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_%28manga%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimagure_Orange_Road

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbine <- This needs to be seen in order to understand where all the "gimmicks" of mid and late 1980s anime came from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_Gundam <- There are good enough number of new aspects of this series compared to the First Gundam series to make it considered as separate entity for creation of such list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruits_Basket

The series that I have the some bones to pick with is Creamy Mami. Whatever the novelty that can be attributed to that series is better attributed to Macross and Minky Momo. Still, I find enough Japanese to remember the series to not argue against its selection.
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Old 2013-09-07, 01:04   Link #69
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WTF @ Berserk not being on the list?
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Old 2013-09-07, 01:57   Link #70
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Replace 00 with Zeta (although I love the former), add Kenshin, Gunbuster and Martian Successor Nandeshiko. and Naruto. Oh, Inazuma Eleven is kind of popular only in Spanish and Portugal-speaking countries (maybe Vietnam too).
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Old 2013-09-09, 00:24   Link #71
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For the most part, this is a list of anime that had a big fanbase.

Weither it's a masterpiece or whatever is debatable and frankly a waste of time as a debate.

I think from the 90s onward it's naturally more debatable because the shows in question strike closest to the demos of the forum...........The Anime Fan.............whereas, most stuff from at least the mid eighties and earlier were sizable mainstream hits or are remembered by many people.
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Old 2013-09-09, 01:05   Link #72
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Hey, have anyone try the blog "The Golden Ani-versary of Anime?"
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Old 2013-09-11, 06:22   Link #73
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Yes, Tatami Galaxy made it!!

No Berserk, Lain starting the whole mindf*** anime and Death Note makes me question the list but good enough.
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Old 2013-09-11, 07:31   Link #74
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Lain starting the whole mindf*** anime
As much as I like lain there were mindfucks before it.
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Old 2013-09-12, 11:53   Link #75
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No Kenshin, no Berserk. Seriously?
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Old 2013-09-13, 16:45   Link #76
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It seems to me that this list is a mix between "anime relevant for their artistic and influential value" and "anime relevant for their outstanding popularity", with a very strong focus on the latter really.

When you consider the popularity factor it is not strange that anime like "Shana", "Pokemon", "Yu-gi-oh", "Pretty cure" and so on are there in place of "Seirei no Moribito", "Mushishi" and "Kino no tabi".

The latter are absolutely beautiful but not popular enough by a long shot, sadly.


I'm still baffled like everyone else at "strike witches" and "zero no tsukaima" though. Are they significantly more popular than the plethora of other similar anime that were left out?
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Old 2013-09-13, 19:05   Link #77
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I'm still baffled like everyone else at "strike witches" and "zero no tsukaima" though. Are they significantly more popular than the plethora of other similar anime that were left out?
As a representative title for 2008, Strike Witches is an easy pick. It dominated online activity during its broadcast and popularized a new brand of military moe.

Zero no Tsukaima was also big, particularly as an earlier success at promoting light novels as merchandising franchises. It's frequently cited as a representative work for the companies and personnel involved. However, I agree that it doesn't stand out as much, apart from its longevity (multiple sequels over several years) and timing (not the trendsetter but an early hit that solidified a trend).
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Old 2013-09-13, 19:16   Link #78
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Whatever one thinks of Strike Witches, it was pretty influential.

I have my doubts that Symphogear, VRO, or Girls und Panzer would even exist if not for the success of Strike Witches.


I don't fully buy the ZnT defense though. I think that Shana and Haruhi had much more to do with the popularization of light novel adaptations than ZnT did. ZnT is one of the more questionable titles on the list, imo.
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Old 2013-09-13, 20:31   Link #79
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ZnT? Bet that a lot of people here having it as their first touch to Harem!
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Old 2013-09-14, 03:32   Link #80
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It's a list of televised anime. So no movies or OVA.


In regard to the list it's interesting that the author chose 2005 as the point in time to include late night shows.
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