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Old 2012-09-21, 23:18   Link #1
Ridwan
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Shokoku no Altair



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For those who have read "Nishi no Yoki Majo", the atmosphere delivered by this manga is quite similar. Only that it's basically shounen, no magic so far, and draws a lot from Ottoman references, the last bit which adds an automatic plus in my book (In addition to Ottoman, it also contains general mediterranean references to lesser extent.)
The plot isn't that special, but people who are into political intricacies (especially those sadistic enough to enjoy watching a cute shota MC being tossed around by them ) will likely enjoy this series.
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Old 2012-10-28, 21:14   Link #2
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I find it amusing that our pretty boy hero Mahmut has such a "reputation" among the peoples in this world. He had a busy, but not exactly the most successful career -- a demoted military leader, a diplomat and witness to the fall of Byzantium, an agent for his "rival's" spy network, and now a convenient scapegoat leader for an unlikely counterrevolution. All the time he has to react against constant twists from the plot, never really getting to do his own thing. Yet the way everyone treats him it's almost as if they expect him to be a serious threat or a valuable potential ally, his nation's favorite son and someone destined someday to become one of its great leaders. Or something. There are even plays of his "heroic deeds" already!

As for this chapter, the plot thickens -- though it has never really gone the other way anyway. Going by the record of what happens so far (everyone and their spy networks know about Mahmut Bey's involvement before Mahmut Bey knows about Mahmut Bey's involvement) I think the rebellious sultans know exactly what to expect from the wedding.

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Old 2013-08-06, 07:13   Link #3
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No one discussing this? It's really good, one of the most political manga I've ever seen. Mahmut is getting more and more awesome every chapter, with the plot thickening.

Although it's a pity there is no main heroine (not counting Mahmut in a drag). Well, it's probably because the presence of a heroine would ruin the overall feeling of the story, as well as diverting the plot focus from politics. Nevertheless, I still want a main heroine. All the major female characters are very interesting though.

And trying to answer a question from long time ago:
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I find it amusing that our pretty boy hero Mahmut has such a "reputation" among the peoples in this world. He had a busy, but not exactly the most successful career -- a demoted military leader, a diplomat and witness to the fall of Byzantium, an agent for his "rival's" spy network, and now a convenient scapegoat leader for an unlikely counterrevolution. All the time he has to react against constant twists from the plot, never really getting to do his own thing. Yet the way everyone treats him it's almost as if they expect him to be a serious threat or a valuable potential ally, his nation's favorite son and someone destined someday to become one of its great leaders. Or something. There are even plays of his "heroic deeds" already!
Perhaps it's because he was very young when he was appointed as a pasha, meaning he is a genius of some sort. A young genius as a pasha (and then get demoted immediately)? The public will surely love that, with the other officials/rulers getting cautious of this rising star.

Or maybe the official/ruler in SnA world is just different with those in typical shounen manga, they actually treat others respectfully regardless of age and reputation (after all, it wouldn't hurt).


Anyway, this series definitely needs more love.
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Old 2013-08-06, 09:01   Link #4
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No one discussing this? It's really good, one of the most political manga I've ever seen. Mahmut is getting more and more awesome every chapter, with the plot thickening.
Actually, I was going to make topic on this manga myself after marathoning it yesterday. That said, I whole-heartily agree. Definitely one of the more refreshing mangas I've read. Great art (though sometimes hard to follow) and pacing too. Not sure how historically accurate it is, but frankly I don't mind it embellished things.

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Although it's a pity there is no main heroine (not counting Mahmut in a drag). Well, it's probably because the presence of a heroine would ruin the overall feeling of the story, as well as diverting the plot focus from politics. Nevertheless, I still want a main heroine. All the major female characters are very interesting though.
Did you forget Nikki? It looks like she has abadoned the merchant city-state and permanently, become part Mahmut's crew.
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Old 2013-08-06, 20:49   Link #5
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Actually, I was going to make topic on this manga myself after marathoning it yesterday. That said, I whole-heartily agree. Definitely one of the more refreshing mangas I've read. Great art (though sometimes hard to follow) and pacing too. Not sure how historically accurate it is, but frankly I don't mind it embellished things.
It's not really historical as far as I know, the author just took some inspirations from various countries in the past, much like Magi if I may say. But yes, it's nonetheless great.

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Did you forget Nikki? It looks like she has abadoned the merchant city-state and permanently, become part Mahmut's crew.
I'm still kinda convinced that Nikki will just be a 'passing heroine' like the dancing girl and the princess. At least for now. I mean, there wouldn't be a place for her when the war actually erupted, right?


That aside, I'm quite surprised the series is in fact really a shounen (in the sense that it uses furigana) considering the number of family-killing and the deep politics theme.
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Old 2013-08-08, 22:15   Link #6
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I'm still kinda convinced that Nikki will just be a 'passing heroine' like the dancing girl and the princess. At least for now. I mean, there wouldn't be a place for her when the war actually erupted, right?


That aside, I'm quite surprised the series is in fact really a shounen (in the sense that it uses furigana) considering the number of family-killing and the deep politics theme.
Even in war economic know-how is still important especially in Mahmut's new position, plus she can fight if needed. Besides I can't help but feel like those 3 merchant leaders will find out about her dealings with Mahmut's soon.
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Old 2014-01-02, 05:20   Link #7
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Or maybe the official/ruler in SnA world is just different with those in typical shounen manga, they actually treat others respectfully regardless of age and reputation (after all, it wouldn't hurt).
More or less, this manga does treat diplomacy and intrigue with much more seriousness than the typical RAWR FIGHT THE POWAA shounen manga with evil villainous officials and their evil laughs.

But there were a lot more than just diplomatic manners involved in Mahmut's early adventures, was what I felt so long ago. After his demotion to Bey (admittedly, another piece of good dramatic theatre), Phoenicia recognized him as a guest of honor; the Doge of Venedig personally sicc'd a spy on him; and the Empire -- though understandable given the altercation in the series' opening arc -- ruthlessly dogged him, all the while he was just "visiting the world" as, openly, an out-of-favor noble. Surely foreign spies all across Centro and beyond must have made a habit of landing port in Venedig, so the special treatment meant quite a lot.

Of course, the Four Stratocracies arc and the Argyros arc were demonstrations of why he really deserves his reputation after all. The young nestling is growing nicely into a fearsome eagle.

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Even in war economic know-how is still important especially in Mahmut's new position, plus she can fight if needed. Besides I can't help but feel like those 3 merchant leaders will find out about her dealings with Mahmut's soon.
As it turns out, they know! And they can't do anything about it for the sake of their city.

Quite brilliant of Mahmut Pasha, that. Sure, he started a hatred between two great powers, stopped the Empire's invasion plan and acquired Turkiye a formidable ally, which is decent enough for a few chapters' worth of work -- but more importantly, he's finally got a cute, spunky girl for a party member, and she's totally going to follow him to the end of the world! Magic.
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Old 2014-01-03, 17:49   Link #8
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The newest chapter is pretty hilarious...

Also, the merchant girl totally reminds me of Akira from VVV.
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