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Old 2013-11-08, 09:36   Link #1301
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"Dear Whitecloud.

Your naivety is charming. We sincerely hope you never lose this innocence.

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You have to realize, the west doesn't even use the term PK anymore. Because PK makes it sound as if the very act of killing another player sound like something bad, which the western MMO community finds ridiculous. That's why the term ganking was invented, to draw a distinction between "killing a player fair and square" and "being a dick."

EVE, on the other hand, doesn't even consider ganking to be a bad thing. If you get ganked by a dozen ships warping in, the common response will be "Well, what were you doing in zero-sec all by yourself you idiot?"
And then again, I guess "ganking" has negative connotations only in MMORPGs. In competitive MOBAs it's used as the name of a legitimate tactic (albeit an arguably enraging one if you find yourself on the wrong end of it). Makes sense to me - if it's competition between players, everything goes. I don't know EVE, but if its PvE component isn't much of a challenge, it makes sense that players would just start fighting each other.
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Old 2013-11-08, 18:29   Link #1302
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And then again, I guess "ganking" has negative connotations only in MMORPGs. In competitive MOBAs it's used as the name of a legitimate tactic (albeit an arguably enraging one if you find yourself on the wrong end of it). Makes sense to me - if it's competition between players, everything goes. I don't know EVE, but if its PvE component isn't much of a challenge, it makes sense that players would just start fighting each other.
That's still oversimplifying things...

When you give players a chance to go attack another person, eventually someone will, just how often. (WoW)

If the developers go out of the way to design zones to prevent that from happening, pvp will reduce, but it will never be zero. (SWTOR)

Pvp is often encouraged by niche game developers because it keeps players entertained with less effort on their part. (every action MMO to appear in recent years)

Others, its because of the sandbox. (EVE)

In the end, pvp, pk and ganking are all semantics. Someone is still going to murder someone when given the chance and the consequences removed.
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Old 2013-11-08, 19:40   Link #1303
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PvE in EVE is just a means to get money, unlike WoW where you can progress. There are essentially three different goals for players in EVE: Make more money, claim more space, or just kill people.

But tbh, from what I've learned about LH recently, it's already dark for hardcore EVEers like myself. AND I LIKE IT.
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Old 2013-11-08, 23:55   Link #1304
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If you got thrown inside log horizon...will go akiba way(co- existence) or susukino (demikas)?
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Old 2013-11-08, 23:59   Link #1305
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^If I knew before hand, I'd run a large guild in Nakasu and be influential, so the day Apocalypse comes I will gather all my resources, befriend Nine Tail Kingdom, and prevent any take over attempts from other cities, and rule as a king of 5000 players.

... Then run a trade with the Korean, Chinese, and Taiwan servers to give me the edge. It's Kyushuu after all.
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Old 2013-11-09, 01:34   Link #1306
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If you got thrown inside log horizon...will go akiba way(co- existence) or susukino (demikas)?
Well, I'm not the person who tramples over the efforts of others, so I'd prefer to do the Akiba way. I would probably be screwed if I end up in Susukino.
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Old 2013-11-09, 05:07   Link #1307
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Akiba. I might be an underdog nullsec dweller, but I can see the logical choice. It's a powerhouse, really, probably capable of crushing most uprisers once they embrace their brutal side.
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Old 2013-11-09, 05:08   Link #1308
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I am enjoying the Brave New World expansion the most of all Civ5 Add-ons. So I'll do the Akiba way. The agressivity of players shall be directed toward gladiatorial fights and exploration + conquest of unexplored lands a la spanish conquistadors.
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Old 2013-11-09, 05:42   Link #1309
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If you got thrown inside log horizon...will go akiba way(co- existence) or susukino (demikas)?
At minima i will try to get out of town a reach another one,after that it depend if i am all alone or with my usual crew.
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Old 2013-11-09, 06:44   Link #1310
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Im guessing most EVE guy go to susukino...i think?
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Old 2013-11-09, 06:54   Link #1311
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Im guessing most EVE guy go to susukino...i think?
Some may. But Akiba is a better hub, especially to start out.
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Old 2013-11-09, 08:29   Link #1312
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Personally, I think Goonswarm would attempt to make the whole game a living hell for everything and everyone, even organizing raids to kill players in town because their own brigades are holding off the CONCORD that spawn.

They did that in EVE, they certainly can do that in Elder Tale.

If I were in the game, I'd first find where Anita is then figure things out from there.
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Old 2013-11-09, 13:06   Link #1313
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I got the plot summaries up through episode 10, so that will give a detailed idea of which part of the novels the anime will take place.

I'll post it in the anime spoilers/speculation thread.
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Old 2013-11-09, 13:10   Link #1314
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Oh wow, I was wondering where the Log Horizon thread and here it is! ...Congrats to everyone for getting it a subforum

Enjoyed the last episode by the way. That was great ~
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Old 2013-11-10, 04:25   Link #1315
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Whoa, last episode definitely stepped the game up. It was basically ALL talking and exposition, yet it was really good. NOw I'm excited to see what Shiroe comes up with next .
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Old 2013-11-10, 08:17   Link #1316
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If Shiroe is evil.....this is the result...

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Old 2013-11-10, 08:32   Link #1317
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If Shiroe is evil.....this is the result...

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He would break all our image links? Truly the work of a villainous mastermind !
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Old 2013-11-10, 09:00   Link #1318
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If Shiroe is evil.....this is the result...

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Can't see the images. Reupload it imgur or image hosting site.
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Old 2013-11-10, 09:04   Link #1319
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So in other words, he would be up to the Lelouch tier of anti-hero?
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Old 2013-11-10, 09:04   Link #1320
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So in other words, he would be up to the Lelouch tier of anti-hero?
Nah, but Shiroe can be EXTREMELY sneaky with his plans.
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