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Old 2013-09-04, 04:42   Link #2201
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Xbox One gets a CPU speed boost to go with its faster GPU



The more they talk the more I fear that the system is going to end up with a lot of issues. How can I put my trust in the system when they're changing the specs so late in the game?
Yeah.

I mean, the argument is that it supposedly happen all the time and as such isn't a big deal. Yet we have Sony as contrast, who had the hardware finalised months ago and didn't see the need to give updates because they feel they are comfortable with their final product.

No, Sony didn't tell us their clock speed. But they don't need to. Because Sony is giving off an aura of confidence, and as such the same confidence reaches the customers. Is it Justified? Who knows. But we know MS has to work a lot harder to do promotions.
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Old 2013-09-04, 08:03   Link #2202
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Sound like they have announced the release date, and it's Nov 22nd.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...date-announced
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Old 2013-09-04, 12:43   Link #2203
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The more they talk the more I fear that the system is going to end up with a lot of issues. How can I put my trust in the system when they're changing the specs so late in the game?
I don't think that a CPU upclock is much cause for concern. Microsoft would have deemed any heat and power increase to have satisfactory failure rates. It's pretty much all good news for Xbone buyers. The only worrying element is that Microsoft is talking about specifications when they should be avoiding that conversation. It's probably indicative of how much they're worried about the launch. Same with all the last-minute policies/pack-in offers, etc.

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Well Nintendo did the same thing with that infamous direct, where they pretty much completely blew their load. Same thing Sony will do (and they did for the ps3) if Titanfall really became the next COD and launched Xbone sales into the stratosphere. If you're driven into a corner, you will try and fight your way out.
Pretty much. I do question whether it's ever worked though. How many people would buy a console today for games that won't be available for the next 18 months? Compare that gain to the lack of new announcements for long stretches of time. It certainly hasn't worked for the Wii U. I guess it'd be most effective if the early announcements are of games that nobody expect, but yet garner a huge amount of buzz. Microsoft making a new Halo will surprise absolutely no one, and so accomplishes very little. Its announcement would have had more effect had it come either February 2014 or E3 2014.

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Yeah.

I mean, the argument is that it supposedly happen all the time and as such isn't a big deal. Yet we have Sony as contrast, who had the hardware finalised months ago and didn't see the need to give updates because they feel they are comfortable with their final product.

No, Sony didn't tell us their clock speed. But they don't need to. Because Sony is giving off an aura of confidence, and as such the same confidence reaches the customers. Is it Justified? Who knows. But we know MS has to work a lot harder to do promotions.
Simply put, Sony's messaging has been exemplary while Microsoft's has been terrible. In the last few weeks, Xbone messaging is still pretty awkward and uncomfortable, but it's a big improvement over what it used to be like.

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Sound like they have announced the release date, and it's Nov 22nd.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...date-announced
Finally. I'd say that the extra week the PS4 has in North America will be more valuable than the week the Xbone has in Europe. However, it shouldn't make too much difference in the long run. I do expect that a lot of features of the Xbone will be incomplete at launch - even more than what we already know about.
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Old 2013-09-04, 15:03   Link #2204
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Finally. I'd say that the extra week the PS4 has in North America will be more valuable than the week the Xbone has in Europe. However, it shouldn't make too much difference in the long run. I do expect that a lot of features of the Xbone will be incomplete at launch - even more than what we already know about.
I feel that it shouldn't be about launch that is the main concern for Sony and Microsoft. I mean no doubt, getting the product out there is important, but I feel that the first two weeks after launch is the main concern. Despite the differences of dates.

It is going to be chaos once launch start, many people will be edging to get their systems. They of coarse are the hardcore gamers, however the majority of regular gamers or casual gamers will be coming to get their system within that two week period.

Within those two weeks there will be the reviews of each system (there may be early reviews though not many) by both gaming websites and their experts and consumer reviews (us the buyers).

Finally, there is the "invisible hand" in gaming by of coarse those who only own their game systems at launch will undoubtedly be the strongest of force to which company gets the most success. The first buyers will give their impression of each system to their closest friends which will either result in buying the system or not. Then, like women's gossip, spreads fast by voice, emails, twitter or whatever means.

For Sony and Microsoft, their biggest worry to their profits and investment is this two week period. Whoever wins the two week period, wins for the long term. In my opinion.
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Old 2013-09-04, 15:26   Link #2205
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Finally. I'd say that the extra week the PS4 has in North America will be more valuable than the week the Xbone has in Europe. However, it shouldn't make too much difference in the long run. I do expect that a lot of features of the Xbone will be incomplete at launch - even more than what we already know about.
At this stage, the weeks after release will make a difference not by sales, but by which side would have more bad press from the hardware glitches.

Both sides would be sold out and be filling preorders for some time. But the initial feedback and complaints from the First Adapters will be what would influence purchase decisions for months after. And we won't know who would have worse glitches until customers try them out for real.
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Old 2013-09-04, 16:04   Link #2206
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I feel that it shouldn't be about launch that is the main concern for Sony and Microsoft. I mean no doubt, getting the product out there is important, but I feel that the first two weeks after launch is the main concern. Despite the differences of dates.

It is going to be chaos once launch start, many people will be edging to get their systems. They of coarse are the hardcore gamers, however the majority of regular gamers or casual gamers will be coming to get their system within that two week period.
This is especially true when you consider that the three weeks that will make up the "two week" periods of PS4 and Xbox One will coincide with Black Friday*, with most people waiting for that day before buying some video game titles/system in order to take advantage of either a sale or a system bundle (not to mention that a number of video game purchases that day are meant to be saved for Christmas). As such, one thing that Sony and Microsoft will need to ask themselves is "Along with the systems that will fill the pre-order demands, will we also be able to produce enough PS4/Xbone systems to be sold on Black Friday?". In terms of Nintendo, I'm sure that the company will have something up their sleeves to please the Black Friday crowds (especially with the Super Mario 3D World and the 3DS sequel to Zelda: Link to the Past coming out the same day as Xbone). However, depending on how many systems that can be made between now and November 29th, the possibility of the next-gen systems of Sony and Microsoft being available on that day is very questionable.

*For those who live outside of the USA, Black Friday is the term that is used to refer to the day after Thanksgiving that is considered the official start of the holiday shopping season, with many stores opening very early and having huge sales to encourage customers into shopping at their place.
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Old 2013-09-04, 16:37   Link #2207
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It is going to be chaos once launch start, many people will be edging to get their systems. They of coarse are the hardcore gamers, however the majority of regular gamers or casual gamers will be coming to get their system within that two week period.
I think that we can think of potential game buyers in four broad categories: early adopters, enthusiasts, mainstream gamers, and casual gamers. Of these four, the early adopters are the ones who buy as soon as possible and the enthusiasts will buy as long as there are games and features they want. In most cases, these two groups are the only ones who will be buying a new console from launch to a few months afterwards. They're the groups that you tout as important word of mouth forces.

The majority will start buying new consoles ~6 months after they come out. Casual gamers will wait until either the prices come way down, or if a system becomes a fad.

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Finally, there is the "invisible hand" in gaming by of coarse those who only own their game systems at launch will undoubtedly be the strongest of force to which company gets the most success. The first buyers will give their impression of each system to their closest friends which will either result in buying the system or not. Then, like women's gossip, spreads fast by voice, emails, twitter or whatever means.

For Sony and Microsoft, their biggest worry to their profits and investment is this two week period. Whoever wins the two week period, wins for the long term. In my opinion.
A two-week period is too little time. The main keys are who wins the launch-Christmas period, and how well the systems do in the January-February lull. In general, this game is all Sony's to lose as they're already assured of selling out in both Europe and North America. Microsoft is fairly secure in North America, but their European numbers probably look pretty bad.

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At this stage, the weeks after release will make a difference not by sales, but by which side would have more bad press from the hardware glitches.

Both sides would be sold out and be filling preorders for some time. But the initial feedback and complaints from the First Adapters will be what would influence purchase decisions for months after. And we won't know who would have worse glitches until customers try them out for real.
I think that both systems will be thoroughly tested to the point that we won't many hardware glitches - those will come after a couple of years of use. It's going to be the software glitches and incomplete features that will be the stories of the day. I'd be very surprised if the Xbone has fewer issues than the PS4. Sony seems to be so very much further along in software development while Microsoft has already scaled back a number of features.

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This is especially true when you consider that the three weeks that will make up the "two week" periods of PS4 and Xbox One will coincide with Black Friday*, with most people waiting for that day before buying some video game titles/system in order to take advantage of either a sale or a system bundle (not to mention that a number of video game purchases that day are meant to be saved for Christmas).
The number of consoles sold on Black Friday isn't really all that important. The consoles launch at $400/$500 and they're unlikely to see any significant discounts. What is important is that the success of the consoles will also determine the sales of games and peripherals.
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Old 2013-09-04, 17:04   Link #2208
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I think that both systems will be thoroughly tested to the point that we won't many hardware glitches - those will come after a couple of years of use. It's going to be the software glitches and incomplete features that will be the stories of the day. I'd be very surprised if the Xbone has fewer issues than the PS4. Sony seems to be so very much further along in software development while Microsoft has already scaled back a number of features.
While that's true you have to put the company's background in perspective: the 360 has been rock solid on the software front almost from day one while Sony... Let's just say I wouldn't put my trust on software coming out of that particular house given their history

I actually think Sony will have more software glitches than Microsoft however I'm almost 100% certain that Microsoft is going for a Wii U style launch with a massive day one update and even then some features will still be classified as "coming soon".
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Old 2013-09-04, 17:29   Link #2209
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It's all about time and readiness. Microsoft has had to pare back features because they couldn't deliver at launch. Forza is going to ship incomplete, Killer Instinct is going to ship incomplete, voice commands are English-only, external hard drives aren't fully supported, and so on. Microsoft has been reluctant to show off the Kinect media features. These are all signs of a company that's just not ready. Will they be ready at launch? I don't think even Microsoft knows the answer to that.
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Old 2013-09-04, 17:50   Link #2210
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The only worrying element is that Microsoft is talking about specifications when they should be avoiding that conversation. It's probably indicative of how much they're worried about the launch. Same with all the last-minute policies/pack-in offers, etc.

What pack-in offers are they offering?
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Old 2013-09-04, 18:10   Link #2211
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What pack-in offers are they offering?
http://www.computerandvideogames.com...re-order-deal/

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UK retailers GAME, Amazon.co.uk and ShopTo are offering the deal, which rewards Xbox One pre-orders with either a free digital copy of Forza 5 or the previously announced FIFA 14.
Microsoft isn't offering this kind of deal in North America.
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Old 2013-09-04, 18:41   Link #2212
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A two-week period is too little time. The main keys are who wins the launch-Christmas period, and how well the systems do in the January-February lull. In general, this game is all Sony's to lose as they're already assured of selling out in both Europe and North America. Microsoft is fairly secure in North America, but their European numbers probably look pretty bad.
If this was the previous generation, I would agree on all your points. These days however, gamers are becoming more smart and more selective on their games. The reason why I stated two week period is because it is before Black Friday. Once gaming sites and launch owners gave their impressions on the gaming systems, whoever is the more impressive, that system will win Black Friday. This falls into pure systems( doubtful), or the bundles (highly likely). That momentum will drive through Christmas and New Years.

I don't know the exact numbers of U.S. sales of the PS4 but I think it is comparable to the Xbox 1. Can you post a table or chart of sells of each game system from each country?

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Old 2013-09-04, 19:05   Link #2213
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The number of consoles sold on Black Friday isn't really all that important. The consoles launch at $400/$500 and they're unlikely to see any significant discounts.
Not arguing about that. I'm bringing up Black Friday because it's possible that there may be next-generation "bundles" being sold on that day (not to mention possible sales on the games for said systems, as I do remember Toys R Us having a Wii U game sale on Black Friday last year).
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Old 2013-09-04, 21:28   Link #2214
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If this was the previous generation, I would agree on all your points. These days however, gamers are becoming more smart and more selective on their games. The reason why I stated two week period is because it is before Black Friday. Once gaming sites and launch owners gave their impressions on the gaming systems, whoever is the more impressive, that system will win Black Friday. This falls into pure systems( doubtful), or the bundles (highly likely). That momentum will drive through Christmas and New Years.
Nah, gamers make buying decisions much as we always have. The only real difference is the existence of the internet and the availibility of information. Just look at the Wii U - in North America, it sold some 800,000 units in November-December, and it's only sold ~250,000 units since then. The main import of the launch-Christmas sales for the upcoming consoles is to see if the Xbone manages to sell out in Europe.

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I don't know the exact numbers of U.S. sales of the PS4 but I think it is comparable to the Xbox 1. Can you post a table or chart of sells of each game system from each country?
I don't know if there are any accurate figures available for most of the world, but the 360 to PS3 ratio in the U.S. was about 2:1, in the U.K. was about 3:2. It was about 6:1 (9.4M vs. 1.6M) in favor of the PS3 in Japan, and predominantly PS3 in the rest of the EU and the rest of the world.
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Old 2013-09-05, 08:38   Link #2215
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That 's a little defeatist isn't it? I mean, many 360 owners were former PS2 owners. MS didn't release the 360 while assuming they could never grab the PS2 fans because "they are firmly rooted".

IF MS wants to win this war they need to act like they can win.
Yeah, but Halo is not the franchise to do that with. Halo has always been an XBOX franchise, it never will be the franchise that microsoft needs to pull the playstation audience to them. I mean, there's been four iterations of the main title alone, if that wasn't enough to pull the playstation crowd over, it just won't be.

No, Halo is a safeguard. A title that prevents the opposite from happening: XBOX gamers going over to the PS4. And in that task it will perform just fine.

If they want to yank players from the playstation fence, they're going to have to do so with new IP. Or formerly playstation exclusive IP.
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Microsoft UK wants us to know that the Xbox One is not actually real.
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Old 2013-09-06, 09:44   Link #2217
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That's just... Stupid ad.

What do they mean, it is almost real? It isn't even a good term.

I thought "Unreal" is considered a good thing, and "real" is boring?
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That motto is totally in the spirit of the Xbox One message- confusing as fuck.
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Old 2013-09-06, 09:47   Link #2219
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That's just... Stupid ad.

What do they mean, it is almost real? It isn't even a good term.

I thought "Unreal" is considered a good thing, and "real" is boring?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the marketing team was trying to go for the colloquial "unreal", but the ad just comes off as poorly worded in my opinion.
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Old 2013-09-06, 09:50   Link #2220
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Finally. I'd say that the extra week the PS4 has in North America will be more valuable than the week the Xbone has in Europe. However, it shouldn't make too much difference in the long run. I do expect that a lot of features of the Xbone will be incomplete at launch - even more than what we already know about.
Yeah this xmas aint gonna mean shit in the long run, Wii U had a fantastic xmas period last year and it actually outsold what the Wii did in the same timeframe, though of course that was due to a lack of supply for the Wii. But after xmas it became one of the worst performing consoles of all time.
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