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Old 2013-05-24, 16:38   Link #541
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The funny thing about that is it was actually the fault of consoles combined with the natural diminishing returns of graphical levels and computing power needed to render them.

Consoles started defining the high end of gaming with the PS3/360/Wii generation, which meant PC gaming stopped being a never-ending carousel of spending $800 on upgrades every two years. Now you just buy last generation's highest-end card (for $200-300) every five years and you're golden for the next cycle.

PC gaming has never been easier or cheaper, especially with Steam sales happening basically all the time, coupled with the burgeoning indie scene. A strictly-gaming PC is no longer the most expensive PC you can build--now, actual work computers cost more.
Yeah, I'm infinitely more worried about Microsoft f---ing up Windows someday than Xbox. If XBone sucks I just won't buy one (and let's be honest, I've never really had time to invest in more than one gaming platform anyway). With Windows, I need it to run a ton of software I already have. Luckily the ill-advised aspects of Windows 8 haven't affected the parts of the OS I actually use too badly.
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Old 2013-05-24, 16:46   Link #542
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Can you explain what you mean by the last sentence (the '35 value is a percentage of the MSRP' part)?
This is just my theory (but it's backed by the Eurogamer update that claims the value as too high): I think that a flat fee for this makes no sense while a percentage of the minimum recommended sale price does. Let's say that the game has an MSRP of 70 and Microsoft requires the retailer to pay 50% of that value to deactivate the game and re-sell it as used. That would come out at 35.

I'm inclined to believe that it isn't in fact 35 British Pounds but 35 percent of the MSRP (which, for a 70 pound game, would come out at 25). Still insanely high but I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to try.
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Old 2013-05-24, 16:49   Link #543
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Here's some words of wisdom and points from Main Event.

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For Xbox One start at 4:17 to 23:16. The first 17 seconds of the vid pure gold!
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Old 2013-05-24, 17:30   Link #544
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Latest update on the online requirement: MS is freaking out about the negative press from US soldiers who say they can't play XboxOne. So they declare that soldiers can get a special code that deactivates the online requirement when they are on duty overseas.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/436...cks-used-games

This of course, shows the insanity of the online requirement. If a simple code can turn the requirement off, then the requirement should never have been there. And that truly no one benefits in having that requirement at all.

On another matter, Adam Orth is a victim. His only crime was stating the official policy of Microsoft, and he got burned at the stake for telling the truth.
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Old 2013-05-24, 17:31   Link #545
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The way I understand it you just pay the fee. It may be they want to make it so brick and morter can deal in second hand sales and give discounts on said fees; not that it makes too much sense but hey, keeps everybody in business in a way.
Seems you can't even do that, if this article is to be believed;

Here are the facts about the Xbox One and Used Games
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This also means that you will not be able to sell games person-to-person via things like eBay, Goozex, or even Craigslist. Only an authorized retailer will have the option of removing the game from your account via the Azure Cloud. Additionally, there will be no way to allow friends to borrow a game or donate your game to a charity like Child's Play.
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Old 2013-05-24, 17:33   Link #546
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Really? I thought they call it ばついち/batsu ichi becasue of the X and 1
They're calling it A LOT of things now

But they are going with the Xbox Wan because of the Call of Duty dog

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Latest update on the online requirement: MS is freaking out about the negative press from US soldiers who say they can't play XboxOne. So they declare that soldiers can get a special code that deactivates the online requirement when they are on duty overseas.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/436...cks-used-games

This of course, shows the insanity of the online requirement. If a simple code can turn the requirement off, then the requirement should never have been there. And that truly no one benefits in having that requirement at all.

On another matter, Adam Orth is a victim. His only crime was stating the official policy of Microsoft, and he got burned at the stake for telling the truth.
Keep digging that hole microsoft... Keep on digging...
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Old 2013-05-24, 17:37   Link #547
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This of course, shows the insanity of the online requirement. If a simple code can turn the requirement off, then the requirement should never have been there. And that truly no one benefits in having that requirement at all
If a simple code can turn it off, then pirates will likely hack it rather quickly and then pirate the games soon thereafter. Meanwhile, normal, law abiding consumers will be screwed. Way to go, Microsoft.
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Old 2013-05-24, 17:47   Link #548
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If a simple code can turn it off, then pirates will likely hack it rather quickly and then pirate the games soon thereafter. Meanwhile, normal, law abiding consumers will be screwed. Way to go, Microsoft.
Microsoft is lucky. If offline mode can be patched in, it means they can change their minds if the sales of the console tanked.

If instead, they actually hard-wired the online requirement, it would mean they would have no easy means of reversing what is known by everyone else as a stupid decision.

As for the "fee" in reselling a game? Microsoft is being tricky. Now they charge the reseller the fee rather than directly charge you. So you still pay the fee, it is just hidden in the resale price. And no private resellers of course, so there is no escaping the fee.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ork-apparently
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Old 2013-05-24, 18:09   Link #549
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As for the "fee" in reselling a game? Microsoft is being tricky. Now they charge the reseller the fee rather than directly charge you. So you still pay the fee, it is just hidden in the resale price. And no private resellers of course, so there is no escaping the fee.
So that means that regardless of who whatever pays a "fee" of some kind, MS will still get the bigger cut out of all that. To me that sounds really greedy and a big slap to those people who spend their hard earned money only to get continuously screwed over.

They must be mad if they think that they can sugarcoat such tactics under a the guise of a "retail price".
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Old 2013-05-24, 18:37   Link #550
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A quote from Event's video

"They call it the Xbox One because it takes 359 steps backwards."
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Old 2013-05-24, 18:40   Link #551
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["Television viewing tends to be a passive experience for a viewer, without many opportunities for the viewer to engage or have interactive experiences with the presented content," the application states. "To increase interactive viewing and encourage a user to watch one or more particular items of video content, awards and achievements may be tied to those items of video content."

Two examples given include doling out achievements for watching a single event like the Super Bowl, or for watching an entire series of a single show.

"Additionally, by tying the awards and achievements to particular items of video or advertising content, viewers may be encouraged to increase their viewership of the content, thus increasing advertising opportunities," according to the application.]

Okay....
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Old 2013-05-24, 18:43   Link #552
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I don't see how that's any less passive.
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Old 2013-05-24, 19:06   Link #553
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Latest update on the online requirement: MS is freaking out about the negative press from US soldiers who say they can't play XboxOne. So they declare that soldiers can get a special code that deactivates the online requirement when they are on duty overseas.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/436...cks-used-games

This of course, shows the insanity of the online requirement. If a simple code can turn the requirement off, then the requirement should never have been there. And that truly no one benefits in having that requirement at all.

On another matter, Adam Orth is a victim. His only crime was stating the official policy of Microsoft, and he got burned at the stake for telling the truth.
What is this about Adam Orth? What did he say? What happened to him?
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Old 2013-05-24, 19:14   Link #554
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PC gaming has never been easier or cheaper, especially with Steam sales happening basically all the time, coupled with the burgeoning indie scene.
Make no mistake, Steam is actually more restrictive than the system MS proposed here, can't really give one a free-pass while thrashing the other. Steam just offer some advantages that people have since deemed acceptable to offset the drawbacks(that, and steam is not the sole source of PC games).

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A strictly-gaming PC is no longer the most expensive PC you can build--now, actual work computers cost more.
Depends on what kind of gaming and what kind of work you do. I can build a pretty expensive gaming rig

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Latest update on the online requirement: MS is freaking out about the negative press from US soldiers who say they can't play XboxOne. So they declare that soldiers can get a special code that deactivates the online requirement when they are on duty overseas.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/24/436...cks-used-games

This of course, shows the insanity of the online requirement. If a simple code can turn the requirement off, then the requirement should never have been there. And that truly no one benefits in having that requirement at all.
And probably easy for the hacker/modders to circumvent, leaving the legitimate customers the one that gets hurt.

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A quote from Event's video

"They call it the Xbox One because it takes 359 steps backwards."


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What is this about Adam Orth? What did he say? What happened to him?
He basically defended Always-On DRM on twitter. It's not so much what he said though, but how he said it. It's one thing to defend an unpopular practice, it's another to do it pubicly while insulting and deriding those who disagrees, also doesn't help when you start doing the same to people who live in rural areas when people pointed out to you that not everyone live in places where broadband is available. That is what upgraded it from a simple case of "foot-in-mouth" into a "start packing your office and gtfo".
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Old 2013-05-24, 19:14   Link #555
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...v-achievements

["Television viewing tends to be a passive experience for a viewer, without many opportunities for the viewer to engage or have interactive experiences with the presented content," the application states. "To increase interactive viewing and encourage a user to watch one or more particular items of video content, awards and achievements may be tied to those items of video content."

Two examples given include doling out achievements for watching a single event like the Super Bowl, or for watching an entire series of a single show.

"Additionally, by tying the awards and achievements to particular items of video or advertising content, viewers may be encouraged to increase their viewership of the content, thus increasing advertising opportunities," according to the application.]

Okay....
My mind cannot form a coherent thought for a while after reading that.

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What is this about Adam Orth? What did he say? What happened to him?
Something along the lines of people without good internet (or without any internet at all) should just #dealwithit .
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Old 2013-05-24, 19:15   Link #556
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Isn't he the "just deal with it" guy? His only "crime" was being a complete douche to customers and potential customers. It had nothing to do with "stating the official policy".
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Old 2013-05-24, 19:33   Link #557
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He must be thinking "What were they thinking?"
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Old 2013-05-24, 19:34   Link #558
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So he got fired?
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Old 2013-05-24, 19:35   Link #559
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Fired or "resigned", either way remaining with MS was not an option, and so he's no longer there.
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Old 2013-05-24, 19:45   Link #560
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Maybe the U.S. unemployment rate is still not so good because so many people have lost their jobs over things said on twitter or things posted on facebook.

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